71-90K High end Ryzen APU build (without GPU for now), my first time!

OMEGA44-XT said:
I'll say 3060Ti at 45k isn't a bad deal, esp a model like Asus Dual. 3060Ti AIB models were starting at 38k earlier, so you will likely just save 5-7k by waiting for sometime.
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I think I'll wait a little more. 38k sounds great.

Btw I want the ASUS TUF OC V2 edition over something like the ASUS dual. How much for the TUF model would be pre-pandemic levels?
OMEGA44-XT said:
Maybe get a 2TB HDD for mass storage instead of 512GB NVMe & later get another 1TB NVMe. You have just 2 NVMe slots on mobo, so use them wisely. I personally use 2x 1TB.
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This is an excellent point. I never thought about it. But I think it's a bit late for me to change the order now. But it's ok. For now this will suffice. Anyway I'm set to upgrade next year and I'll likely get one that has 4 slots.

I just thought it's best to opt for ssd rather than HDD. That's why i went for this. My current plan is to use this 512GB for OS (windows, Linux) and the other 1tb as extra partition accessible to both OS. I think I'm happy with that setup. That way i can move around the 1tb between systems.
 
Digigear said:
I think I'll wait a little more. 38k sounds great.

Btw I want the ASUS TUF OC V2 edition over something like the ASUS dual. How much for the TUF model would be pre-pandemic levels?

This is an excellent point. I never thought about it. But I think it's a bit late for me to change the order now. But it's ok. For now this will suffice. Anyway I'm set to upgrade next year and I'll likely get one that has 4 slots.

I just thought it's best to opt for ssd rather than HDD. That's why i went for this. My current plan is to use this 512GB for OS (windows, Linux) and the other 1tb as extra partition accessible to both OS. I think I'm happy with that setup. That way i can move around the 1tb between systems.
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I think during last week's price drop, Asus TUF 3060Ti was 48/49k & ROG one at 51k or so. Maybe TUF will drop to 42k-43k, don't remember its price in late 2020. That time Zotac 3060Ti was 38k, making it a good choice back then because of 5 year warranty.

Also, earlier RTX 3070 was starting at 50k, so usually top cards like TUF, ROG & MSI Gaming X/Z series were too close to entry level 3070s. This is the reason I jumped from 3060Ti to 3070 few months back, basically was getting a decent 3070 model for about 10% extra over 3060Ti (both non Colorful, Inno3D or Galax models).
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
Maybe get a 2TB HDD for mass storage instead of 512GB NVMe & later get another 1TB NVMe. You have just 2 NVMe slots on mobo, so use them wisely. I personally use 2x 1TB.
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Thank you so much for this at the right time. I thought about it and went ahead and cancelled the 512GB SSD before they shipped it out. Right now my plan is to get a 4TB 7200RPM HDD a bit later.

Now my order has been shipped and this is the final setup:-
#ComponentBrandItemAmount (₹)
1CPUAMDAMD Ryzen 5 5600X Desktop Processor 6 cores 12 Threads 35 MB Cache 3.7 GHz Upto 4.6 GHz AM4 Socket 500 Series Chipset (100-100000065BOX)19,000
2Mother BoardASUSAsus TUF Gaming B550 PLUS WIFI AMD Motherboard14,500
3MemoryCorsairCorsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) C18 AMD Optimized Memory – Black5373.75
4MemoryCorsairCorsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) C18 AMD Optimized Memory – Black6400
6StorageWestern DigitalWD_BLACK 1TB SN750 SE NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 3,600 MB/s - WDS100T1B0E8,681.25
7Power SupplyASUSASUS ROG Strix 650W Gold Power Supply (ROG heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual-Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 Plus Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-Year Warranty)8,600
8CabinetASUSASUS TUF Gaming GT301 ATX mid-tower compact case with tempered glass side panel, honeycomb front panel, 120mm AURA Addressable RGB fan, headphone hanger and 360mm radiator support5,999
9GPUASUSASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti V2 OC Edition 8GB GDDR6 with LHR Graphic Card TUF-RTX3060TI-O8G-V2-GAMING???
TotalBuild without GPU68,554

I will be getting the ASUS TUF 3060 Ti OC V2 in the next few weeks to complete my overwhelmingly ASUS build. Whenever it reaches close to 42k or so. Preferably under 40k would be nice. Till then I will use a temporary GPU that I have access to.

Even if the GPU comes to 45k, I will be able to have the final build be under 1.15 lac, and that's quite impressive considering I thought this might take up 1.5 lacs when I was planning earlier this year.

I'm personally super happy with this final build, compared to what I started this thread with!

Thanks to everyone who shared their inputs! :)
 
Digigear said:
Thank you so much for this at the right time. I thought about it and went ahead and cancelled the 512GB SSD before they shipped it out. Right now my plan is to get a 4TB 7200RPM HDD a bit later.

Now my order has been shipped and this is the final setup:-
#ComponentBrandItemAmount (₹)
1CPUAMDAMD Ryzen 5 5600X Desktop Processor 6 cores 12 Threads 35 MB Cache 3.7 GHz Upto 4.6 GHz AM4 Socket 500 Series Chipset (100-100000065BOX)19,000
2Mother BoardASUSAsus TUF Gaming B550 PLUS WIFI AMD Motherboard14,500
3MemoryCorsairCorsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) C18 AMD Optimized Memory – Black5373.75
4MemoryCorsairCorsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) C18 AMD Optimized Memory – Black6400
6StorageWestern DigitalWD_BLACK 1TB SN750 SE NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 3,600 MB/s - WDS100T1B0E8,681.25
7Power SupplyASUSASUS ROG Strix 650W Gold Power Supply (ROG heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual-Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 Plus Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-Year Warranty)8,600
8CabinetASUSASUS TUF Gaming GT301 ATX mid-tower compact case with tempered glass side panel, honeycomb front panel, 120mm AURA Addressable RGB fan, headphone hanger and 360mm radiator support5,999
9GPUASUSASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 Ti V2 OC Edition 8GB GDDR6 with LHR Graphic Card TUF-RTX3060TI-O8G-V2-GAMING???
TotalBuild without GPU68,554

I will be getting the ASUS TUF 3060 Ti OC V2 in the next few weeks to complete my overwhelmingly ASUS build. Whenever it reaches close to 42k or so. Preferably under 40k would be nice. Till then I will use a temporary GPU that I have access to.

Even if the GPU comes to 45k, I will be able to have the final build be under 1.15 lac, and that's quite impressive considering I thought this might take up 1.5 lacs when I was planning earlier this year.

I'm personally super happy with this final build, compared to what I started this thread with!

Thanks to everyone who shared their inputs! :)
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Ok, so I've started watching some videos about how the 12400f is a better competitor to the 5600x. So I created this config:-

#ComponentBrandItemAmount (₹)
1CPUIntelIntel Core I5-12400 Desktop Processor17,990
2MotherboardASUSMSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4 Intel Motherboard14,890
3MemoryCrucialCrucial Ballistix MAX 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4 4000 Memory - Black (BLM2K16G40C18U4B)11,890
4StorageWestern DigitalWD_BLACK 1TB SN750 SE NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 3,600 MB/s - WDS100T1B0E8681.25
5Power SupplyASUSASUS ROG Strix 650W Gold Power Supply (ROG heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual-Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 Plus Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-Year Warranty)8,600
6CabinetASUSASUS TUF Gaming GT301 ATX mid-tower compact case with tempered glass side panel, honeycomb front panel, 120mm AURA Addressable RGB fan, headphone hanger and 360mm radiator support5,999
7GPU???3060 Ti???
TotalFully functional build68,050

My main reasons for wanting to switch to Intel 12400 are as follows:-
  1. Intel offers better RAM overclocking whereas the 5600x doesn't do well over 3600Mhz. So I'll be able to put my new 4000Mhz RAM kit to much better use.
  2. Intel comes with a very capable iGPU (UHD 730) which by itself can support 4 displays with the MSI mobo combination, all without an external GPU! So now I don't need to seek a temporary solution as I wait for the GPU prices to get most attractive.
  3. The MSI mobo here comes with a heat sink for the primary M.2 SSD and also supports Gen4 on the secondary SSD. Much more attractive!
  4. The performance of the 12400 over the 5600x is quite comparable in gaming, while it beats the 5600x on many non-gaming performance stuff. So that's very attractive. And at prices not higher than what the 5600x build was coming to!
  5. As I had mentioned earlier, I might upgrade from this to a much higher build in the future and if I did that I could hand this to my dad who may not need a GPU, so having the iGPU is honestly the most critical factor in this decision.
  6. Plus the extra GPU means that when I get the discrete GPU, the iGPU can also be used in tandem with the discrete GPU for overall better performance for things like Video encoding/rendering etc. And I can achieve a total of 8 displays, not that I need it, but that's better to have that option than not have it.
Any thoughts guys?
 
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Digigear said:
Ok, so I've started watching some videos about how the 12400f is a better competitor to the 5600x. So I created this config:-

#ComponentBrandItemAmount (₹)
1CPUIntelIntel Core I5-12400 Desktop Processor17,990
2MotherboardASUSMSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4 Intel Motherboard14,890
3MemoryCrucialCrucial Ballistix MAX 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4 4000 Memory - Black (BLM2K16G40C18U4B)11,890
4StorageWestern DigitalWD_BLACK 1TB SN750 SE NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 3,600 MB/s - WDS100T1B0E8681.25
5Power SupplyASUSASUS ROG Strix 650W Gold Power Supply (ROG heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual-Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 Plus Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-Year Warranty)8,600
6CabinetASUSASUS TUF Gaming GT301 ATX mid-tower compact case with tempered glass side panel, honeycomb front panel, 120mm AURA Addressable RGB fan, headphone hanger and 360mm radiator support5,999
7GPU???3060 Ti???
TotalFully functional build68,050

My main reasons for wanting to switch to Intel 12400 are as follows:-
  1. Intel offers better RAM overclocking whereas the 5600x doesn't do well over 3600Mhz. So I'll be able to put my new 4000Mhz RAM kit to much better use.
  2. Intel comes with a very capable iGPU (UHD 730) which by itself can support 4 displays with the MSI mobo combination, all without an external GPU! So now I don't need to seek a temporary solution as I wait for the GPU prices to get most attractive.
  3. The MSI mobo here comes with a heat sink for the primary M.2 SSD and also supports Gen4 on the secondary SSD. Much more attractive!
  4. The performance of the 12400 over the 5600x is quite comparable in gaming, while it beats the 5600x on many non-gaming performance stuff. So that's very attractive. And at prices not higher than what the 5600x build was coming to!
  5. As I had mentioned earlier, I might upgrade from this to a much higher build in the future and if I did that I could hand this to my dad who may not need a GPU, so having the iGPU is honestly the most critical factor in this decision.
  6. Plus the extra GPU means that when I get the discrete GPU, the iGPU can also be used in tandem with the discrete GPU for overall better performance for things like Video encoding/rendering etc. And I can achieve a total of 8 displays, not that I need it, but that's better to have that option than not have it.
Any thoughts guys?
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I see that you are planning to use 4000 Mhz ram with 12400. 12400 might not work with ram above 3600 Mhz due to locked SA voltage. Once you select 4000 MHz XMP, there's a good chance it will not post an you'll need to underclock which defeats the purpose.
Do your research on that before buying.
 
Digigear said:
Ok, so I've started watching some videos about how the 12400f is a better competitor to the 5600x. So I created this config:-

#ComponentBrandItemAmount (₹)
1CPUIntelIntel Core I5-12400 Desktop Processor17,990
2MotherboardASUSMSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4 Intel Motherboard14,890
3MemoryCrucialCrucial Ballistix MAX 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4 4000 Memory - Black (BLM2K16G40C18U4B)11,890
4StorageWestern DigitalWD_BLACK 1TB SN750 SE NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 3,600 MB/s - WDS100T1B0E8681.25
5Power SupplyASUSASUS ROG Strix 650W Gold Power Supply (ROG heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual-Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 Plus Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-Year Warranty)8,600
6CabinetASUSASUS TUF Gaming GT301 ATX mid-tower compact case with tempered glass side panel, honeycomb front panel, 120mm AURA Addressable RGB fan, headphone hanger and 360mm radiator support5,999
7GPU???3060 Ti???
TotalFully functional build68,050

My main reasons for wanting to switch to Intel 12400 are as follows:-
  1. Intel offers better RAM overclocking whereas the 5600x doesn't do well over 3600Mhz. So I'll be able to put my new 4000Mhz RAM kit to much better use.
  2. Intel comes with a very capable iGPU (UHD 730) which by itself can support 4 displays with the MSI mobo combination, all without an external GPU! So now I don't need to seek a temporary solution as I wait for the GPU prices to get most attractive.
  3. The MSI mobo here comes with a heat sink for the primary M.2 SSD and also supports Gen4 on the secondary SSD. Much more attractive!
  4. The performance of the 12400 over the 5600x is quite comparable in gaming, while it beats the 5600x on many non-gaming performance stuff. So that's very attractive. And at prices not higher than what the 5600x build was coming to!
  5. As I had mentioned earlier, I might upgrade from this to a much higher build in the future and if I did that I could hand this to my dad who may not need a GPU, so having the iGPU is honestly the most critical factor in this decision.
  6. Plus the extra GPU means that when I get the discrete GPU, the iGPU can also be used in tandem with the discrete GPU for overall better performance for things like Video encoding/rendering etc. And I can achieve a total of 8 displays, not that I need it, but that's better to have that option than not have it.
Any thoughts guys?
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I don't think Intel can main Gear 1 over 3600MHz as well, I might be wrong. Gear 1 is similar to FCLK stuff on AMD, so FCLK 1800 MHz is suited for 3600MHz RAM resulting in 1:1.

Also not sure if you can run displays via dGPU as well as iGPU, interesting thing to check out.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
I don't think Intel can main Gear 1 over 3600MHz as well, I might be wrong. Gear 1 is similar to FCLK stuff on AMD, so FCLK 1800 MHz is suited for 3600MHz RAM resulting in 1:1.
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The motherboad I'm looking at now (MSI MAG B660M Mortar DDR4 Wifi) has this on their page:-

"Supports DDR4 Memory, up to 4800+(OC) MHz"

It supports OC up to 4800MHz without manual tuning, that's my understanding.
OMEGA44-XT said:
Also not sure if you can run displays via dGPU as well as iGPU, interesting thing to check out.
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This is a restriction on the Ryzen platform. Not in the intel. In Intel you can connect both to the iGPU and dGPU out of the box.

I think you might need to enable iGPU in the bios. By default it is set to Auto, where it would turn off iGPU when a discrete GPU is detected. But quite straightforward to do.
 
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Digigear said:
The motherboad I'm looking at now (MSI MAG B660M Mortar DDR4 Wifi) has this on their page:-

"Supports DDR4 Memory, up to 4800+(OC) MHz"

It supports OC up to 4800MHz without manual tuning, that's my understanding.

This is a restriction on the Ryzen platform. Not in the intel. In Intel you can connect both to the iGPU and dGPU out of the box.

I think you might need to enable iGPU in the bios. By default it is set to Auto, where it would turn off iGPU when a discrete GPU is detected. But quite straightforward to do.
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What I said is a more advanced stuff than simple RAM freq. Honestly, the difference is not that major between Gear 1 & 2 in Intel & 1:1 or non 1:1 infinity fabric on AMD side. Say Gear 1 at 3600MHz on Intel will give best performance, gear will be a bit inferior, similarly, on AMD an 1800 FCLK is optimum for 3600MHz RAM whereas 1600 FCLK on 3600MHz RAM is not optimum. See if you can research on it.

In both platform, by default, RAM's XMP profile won't necessarily be enabled. You have to go to BIOS & enable it.

I will try running my 2nd monitor with iGPU when I get it, I surely doesn't need dGPU to show discord. Not sure of instabilities or anything but theoretically it should work as in my laptop, internal display was running from iGPU & ext monitor was running from dGPU w/o issues.
 
Digigear said:
Ok, so I've started watching some videos about how the 12400f is a better competitor to the 5600x. So I created this config:-

#ComponentBrandItemAmount (₹)
1CPUIntelIntel Core I5-12400 Desktop Processor17,990
2MotherboardASUSMSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4 Intel Motherboard14,890
3MemoryCrucialCrucial Ballistix MAX 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4 4000 Memory - Black (BLM2K16G40C18U4B)11,890
4StorageWestern DigitalWD_BLACK 1TB SN750 SE NVMe Internal Gaming SSD Solid State Drive - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, Up to 3,600 MB/s - WDS100T1B0E8681.25
5Power SupplyASUSASUS ROG Strix 650W Gold Power Supply (ROG heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual-Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 Plus Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-Year Warranty)8,600
6CabinetASUSASUS TUF Gaming GT301 ATX mid-tower compact case with tempered glass side panel, honeycomb front panel, 120mm AURA Addressable RGB fan, headphone hanger and 360mm radiator support5,999
7GPU???3060 Ti???
TotalFully functional build68,050

My main reasons for wanting to switch to Intel 12400 are as follows:-
  1. Intel offers better RAM overclocking whereas the 5600x doesn't do well over 3600Mhz. So I'll be able to put my new 4000Mhz RAM kit to much better use.
  2. Intel comes with a very capable iGPU (UHD 730) which by itself can support 4 displays with the MSI mobo combination, all without an external GPU! So now I don't need to seek a temporary solution as I wait for the GPU prices to get most attractive.
  3. The MSI mobo here comes with a heat sink for the primary M.2 SSD and also supports Gen4 on the secondary SSD. Much more attractive!
  4. The performance of the 12400 over the 5600x is quite comparable in gaming, while it beats the 5600x on many non-gaming performance stuff. So that's very attractive. And at prices not higher than what the 5600x build was coming to!
  5. As I had mentioned earlier, I might upgrade from this to a much higher build in the future and if I did that I could hand this to my dad who may not need a GPU, so having the iGPU is honestly the most critical factor in this decision.
  6. Plus the extra GPU means that when I get the discrete GPU, the iGPU can also be used in tandem with the discrete GPU for overall better performance for things like Video encoding/rendering etc. And I can achieve a total of 8 displays, not that I need it, but that's better to have that option than not have it.
Any thoughts guys?
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As others have said 12400 won't support RAM above 3600Mhz due to locked SA voltage. You will need a more powerful processor if you plan to use 4000Mhz ram. I too found out about this when I was planning to build a 12400 based pc.
 
yash891 said:
As others have said 12400 won't support RAM above 3600Mhz due to locked SA voltage. You will need a more powerful processor if you plan to use 4000Mhz ram. I too found out about this when I was planning to build a 12400 based pc.
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What about a 12600k?

Also, if that was the case, why would the motherboard page show Memory OC upto 4800MHz supported?
 
yash891 said:
As others have said 12400 won't support RAM above 3600Mhz due to locked SA voltage. You will need a more powerful processor if you plan to use 4000Mhz ram. I too found out about this when I was planning to build a 12400 based pc.
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Strange, I think above 3600MHz, XMP should work at Gear 2 mode. Maybe higher end CPUs & mobos will be able to run at Gear 1 at 4000/4400 MHz. Anyways, price wise, I feel most people will buy 3200 CL16 or 3600 CL18 RAM for 12400.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
Strange, I think above 3600MHz, XMP should work at Gear 2 mode. Maybe higher end CPUs & mobos will be able to run at Gear 1 at 4000/4400 MHz. Anyways, price wise, I feel most people will buy 3200 CL16 or 3600 CL18 RAM for 12400.
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I just researched a bit and found that you were somewhat right about the locks. For non-k cpu the B660m boards don't do well with RAM speeds over 3400MHz. But for K versions they can do 4000MHz and probably more. I think the K versions is what the mobo rating of 4800MHz is for.

I still need to do more research on this to be 100% sure.

But as for your comment on price I actually got a 4000MHz C18 DDR4 32GB kit for 11.8k. It's the crucial Ballistix Max 4000 Kit from ITdepot. You can see my post history for details. It's a lot cheaper than some of the 3200 C16 ones. And it's friendly to overclocking. I can sure clock it for timing to get it to run at c16.

And I also upgraded to 12600K from the 12400. For an added 8k it made more sense to have those extra 4 E cores, higher clock speeds and the jump from UHD 730 to 770 among other benefits.

The 12600K means that I can overclock the RAM too.
 
Digigear said:
I just researched a bit and found that you were somewhat right about the locks. For non-k cpu the B660m boards don't do well with RAM speeds over 3400MHz. But for K versions they can do 4000MHz and probably more. I think the K versions is what the mobo rating of 4800MHz is for.

I still need to do more research on this to be 100% sure.

But as for your comment on price I actually got a 4000MHz C18 DDR4 32GB kit for 11.8k. It's the crucial Ballistix Max 4000 Kit from ITdepot. You can see my post history for details. It's a lot cheaper than some of the 3200 C16 ones. And it's friendly to overclocking. I can sure clock it for timing to get it to run at c16.

And I also upgraded to 12600K from the 12400. For an added 8k it made more sense to have those extra 4 E cores, higher clock speeds and the jump from UHD 730 to 770 among other benefits.

The 12600K means that I can overclock the RAM too.
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That's a good price indeed for the RAM. I bought 2x16GB 3600MHz C18 for 11k (Corsair Vengeance). There are some sellers with i7 12700 (non F) at 27k. Will be great for productivity & that MSI can handle it at max performance.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
That's a good price indeed for the RAM. I bought 2x16GB 3600MHz C18 for 11k (Corsair Vengeance). There are some sellers with i7 12700 (non F) at 27k. Will be great for productivity & that MSI can handle it at max performance.
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At 27k? Where?

I could only find it for 30k. The non k and k were the same rate.
 
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