High-quality stuff manufactured in India?

[rite]

Some people never get it.

Middle class apparel is outsourced to India. But when each shirt costs several hundred dollars, such stuff isn't outsourced by Americans or Italians.

I bet none of your fathers average shirts sell for $300 a piece, or trousers for $500 a piece.

If not, then your point is null and void.

I am only talking of high end stuff, not lower-mid range stuff.

 

[sid_donnydarko]

Some people never get it.

Middle class apparel is outsourced to India. But when each shirt costs several hundred dollars, such stuff isn't outsourced by Americans or Italians.

I bet none of your fathers average shirts sell for $300 a piece, or trousers for $500 a piece.

If not, then your point is null and void.

I am only talking of high end stuff, not lower-mid range stuff.

Rite...don't get worked up!

 

[cranky]

boi,

I bet none of your fathers average shirts sell for $300 a piece, or trousers for $500 a piece.

You can't put a shirt or a trouser in a power supply, so shall we get this thread off its derailed status and start being relevant?

India can manufacture anything to the same standard as anywhere in the world. The trouble is that we are a very young country, too diverse in origin and beliefs, are split up politically into units of convenience rather than efficiency. To add, we have very little installed capacity in modern, high-technology manufacturing. We are still largely of Gepettos, hammering away with our tools. Almost every piece of complex electronics today (and no, not just in India) is manufactured in China.

To the OP - Quality is quality and will cost. In china you can get the same piece of electronics (say, an MP3 player) manufactured at $5 (!) or $500. There is a difference between them, and it's not small. Where China has excelled is centralising the manufacture of pretty much the entire world's requirements of pretty much anything, by providing easy access and very low cost for those who need it. It's an exact mirror of how India is positioned as the outsourcing center of the world for remote phone support.

 

[unixguru]

Some people never get it.

Middle class apparel is outsourced to India. But when each shirt costs several hundred dollars, such stuff isn't outsourced by Americans or Italians.

I bet none of your fathers average shirts sell for $300 a piece, or trousers for $500 a piece.

If not, then your point is null and void.

I am only talking of high end stuff, not lower-mid range stuff.

I do not want high end stuff, for God's sake I just want a good headphone or if lucky a reliable and good PSU. You can get a pretty good headphone in India, the Audio-Technica AD700. I paid 5000 Rs for it. If I were in the USA, I could have got it for about 3900 RS. If a product of similar quality was made by an Indian company and manufactured in India, I might have got it for even a lesser amount. I do not want stuff like the Sennheiser HD800 just like I do not want damned Italian clothing! This topic is about high-quality stuff. It is not a thread about the absolute best stuff money can buy!

 

[asingh]

I know that India is not even a minor player in manufacturing electronic and computer parts but you would think at least we would be dominating in some computer peripherals. For instance we are very big player in the Car Industry. It would be really nice if there are some Indian companies that produce high end cabinets, power supplies, heat sinks, fans, speakers, headphones, gaming accessories like keyboard, mouse, mousepads, gamepad. None of the parts I have mentioned are anywhere close to the complexity of a car but if manufactured in India, we could get it for much lesser price. I know that iBall manufactures most of the stuff I have mentioned, but looking through their websites and gaudy designs, high quality is not the impression that is formed. Maybe I am being biased, but would anybody buy iBall over international products even though iBall is much cheaper?

I could have misunderstood what you were asking/saying.

India has really not come of age as an industrial power house to invest revenue for R&D in the above fields. Even with vehicles past 10-15 years India has started producing ingeniously designed parts and on-soil units. We are still doing the back-end manufacturing and providing off-shore service/product support/decision support. Probably the big business firms of India (Reliance/Tata types) hardly see any ROI in computer peripherals or related products. Or it could be that they do not want to be the also-runner ups in these fields. It is a known fact the several grade raw materials are manufactured in India. The top bunch post quality control gets shipped out of India and is premium grade. What is left here...? We as consumer masses use it up. Probable, because the Indian economy as a bulk is not yet capable of consuming such products after the labeling and merchandizing+marketing head on tacked on by the fashion houses / or larger than life brands..!

Once we start from the scratch manufacturing, including our own intellectual proprietary functions, we just might see cheaper high grade products.

 

[sid_donnydarko]

I do not want high end stuff, for God's sake I just want a good headphone or if lucky a reliable and good PSU. You can get a pretty good headphone in India, the Audio-Technica AD700. I paid 5000 Rs for it. If I were in the USA, I could have got it for about 3900 RS. If a product of similar quality was made by an Indian company and manufactured in India, I might have got it for even a lesser amount. I do not want stuff like the Sennheiser HD800 just like I do not want damned Italian clothing! This topic is about high-quality stuff. It is not a thread about the absolute best stuff money can buy

You should've corrected Rite after his very first post...
Crystal-clear communication is hard to come by these days! :bleh:

 

[Shripad]

I will only say this at the moment. Do not feed the troll. Stop quoting him.

About the topic, will post when I am home.

Sent magically from thin air using Motorola Atrix.

 

[kuduku]

Ok my first comments

I am very patriotic about my country

but my thought are

we Indians are lazy , servant attitude brought about 200 yrs of rule of British Raj is in our blood

We have still not changed the term Government servant - sarkari nakaur shows our attitude

We are corrupt therefore cannot produce anything of quality

Indian produced mobile phones , car parts , electronics are all inferior quality

tell me one thing of technical nature which we can produce

Friends we do not have world class car still shows the thing

Please dont compare Tata cars with German cars

I agree with rite on all points

People have misunderstood him

we are fit for mass products where no technical requirement is their

because mainly we dont want to pay ...

we want it cheap , its in blood and environment

Its the L1 which has killed this country

In US its the best quality and our criteria of all government purchases is L1 - Lowest Bidder

We know what we get in lowest bidder

we cannot make roads , bridges and we cannot make anything of world class

Someone told of DRDO and other agencies products

they are copycats and they make shit

Haven't you guys read about all the projects Tejas , Arjun

Crores and crores spent and finally a copy cat produced

Whole day they sit on internet and do share trading in office time

Believe me

Its TE technical forum so what happened to that cheap laptop

in todays time was it fit for anything ?

Homi Bhhaba had a dream of producing Thorium nuclear reactors as we didnt have Uranium

As kerla sands have thorium

He died and vested interest stopped the research

All these Railway , MIG accidents ,Army accidents are because of poor quality controls in India

Its the 1% in all government departments which work

Sri Lanka came to India to build a port at Hambantota

And we said no because we didnt have expertise to build a port

then they went to china and we started crying hoarse

google it you will know

We dont even get good quality tea

Its the kachara which is packed by Tata and others and sold to us

Best stuff is exported

even if you go to buy it and pay people will look as if they are doing a favor on us

What are you proud of Jeans , clothes , cotton , mangoes , bricks ?

their is only one plant in Punjab which produces world class bricks

even that good quality is exported which is only garments , eatables , useless stuff

People say China stuff is bad

Its damn good

As people would confirm with their China stay or knowledge China produces 3 types of fakes

A quality goes to US , same as original

B other countries

C comes to India sold at less than A cost and we curse China for poor goods

At least they have made a factory which produces fakes of CLass A

They produce all goods of technical nature

Same fake producing factories take the tender and shift to original mode

DO we have any NO

You compare China

Their revolvers /Pistols are better than any made in India

We can only produce Desi Kattas

Quality of OFC is shit , useless and i dont want to comment on it

ebay came and we all were happy of cheap stuff

what did you get inflated prices only Naa

Looking for coupons in Supras biggest thread on TE

Is this so on ebay US ?

What will you get when 50% of CM of states are directly involved in scams and reports naming them

Did anything happen after Anna crusade ?

NO

Baba Ramdev is another story with letters and what not

We pay all taxes , government collects it and it goes in pockets of few

Finally its in our blood to be ruled we can produce world class quality only when a Gora is supervising it

Its not a racial comment so dont take it that way

All these show our attitude

Worlds fastest growing economy and what are we proud of

Mangoes , rice , cotton , jeans , softwares , Call centers with horrible and pathetic experience and knowledge

Dont believe me call BSNL

Use skype call any US major company toll free number and you will know

All those who got after rite

close your eyes and just think do you give your 100% in your job if you are a GOVERNMENT SERVANT

Leave private sector its directly related to your pay but how many have stood for quality check when your boss told to let the inferior quality pass even in private sector

You would be looking for a new job if you didnt allow that to pass

If i miss anything of technical quality of world class quality produced in India please enlighten me

now people will say then why i am still here

because do not have the money to shift to US/UK

Want to go their and make a factory in India of world class

Ok long post over

 

[unixguru]

I could have misunderstood what you were asking/saying.

India has really not come of age as an industrial power house to invest revenue for R&D in the above fields. Even with vehicles past 10-15 years India has started producing ingeniously designed parts and on-soil units. We are still doing the back-end manufacturing and providing off-shore service/product support/decision support. Probably the big business firms of India (Reliance/Tata types) hardly see any ROI in computer peripherals or related products. Or it could be that they do not want to be the also-runner ups in these fields. It is a known fact the several grade raw materials are manufactured in India. The top bunch post quality control gets shipped out of India and is premium grade. What is left here...? We as consumer masses use it up. Probable, because the Indian economy as a bulk is not yet capable of consuming such products after the labeling and merchandizing+marketing head on tacked on by the fashion houses / or larger than life brands..!

Once we start from the scratch manufacturing, including our own intellectual proprietary functions, we just might see cheaper high grade products.

I am restricting my self only to those hardware components that are not very complex. Everyone accepts that CPUs and motherboards are heck of a lot more complex than cabinets, PSU's, headphones, keyboard and mouse. There is not much intellectual property in a headphone. Sure, the ultra-high end models have decades of research behind, but is it so hard to manufacture a headphone as good as AD700 at a good price. A company called Superlux seems to have done that at 1/3rd the price. But, of course they have judiciously copied other designs but still it show that it is possible. There is zero intellectual property in a computer cabinet. In terms of raw components and labour required, an excellent computer cabinet could easily be manufactured in India for 2000-3000. But, instead we have the ridiculous looking designs from iBall that make me cry. And a PSU. Is a modular 750w power supply really cost 10000 rs. to design and manufacture? I seriously doubt it. A friend of mine, who is an experimental physics, regularly makes equipment that cost 100's of dollars for a few hundred rupees! Sometimes his designs are actually better! He claims that the cost could be reduced further if it is mass manufactured professionally. I am just curious that no Indian company has stepped up and started manufacturing PSU. There are not sophisticated at all, and you could make a huge profit as most good PSUs are priced exorbitantly in India.

 

[kuduku]

Arent we guys happy about our broadband

People dying for a simple 1 Mbps Unlimited

Has anyone seen BSNL Wimax plans

Please go and see it

Ok heres the link for lazy ones

http://bsnl.co.in/service/wimax/wimax_homepage.htm

In US Wimax is 4G and unlimited plan in Sprint if you take evdo any plan

and what do you have 512 Kbps

are you joking man

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I am restricting my self only to those hardware components that are not very complex. Everyone accepts that CPUs and motherboards are heck of a lot more complex than cabinets, PSU's, headphones, keyboard and mouse. There is not much intellectual property in a headphone. Sure, the ultra-high end models have decades of research behind, but is it so hard to manufacture a headphone as good as AD700 at a good price. A company called Superlux seems to have done that at 1/3rd the price. But, of course they have judiciously copied other designs but still it show that it is possible. There is zero intellectual property in a computer cabinet. In terms of raw components and labour required, an excellent computer cabinet could easily be manufactured in India for 2000-3000. But, instead we have the ridiculous looking designs from iBall that make me cry. And a PSU. Is a modular 750w power supply really cost 10000 rs. to design and manufacture? I seriously doubt it. A friend of mine, who is an experimental physics, regularly makes equipment that cost 100's of dollars for a few hundred rupees! Sometimes his designs are actually better! He claims that the cost could be reduced further if it is mass manufactured professionally. I am just curious that no Indian company has stepped up and started manufacturing PSU. There are not sophisticated at all, and you could make a huge profit as most good PSUs are priced exorbitantly in India.

because its easy for producing one item

and hell difficult to mass produce it with quality controls

Dont you know India labour market

Singur , Maruti plant strike

What was the state of West Bengal before Supreme Court stepped in for their strikes and processions ?

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All those entry level budding entrepreneur

if you want to start a business which involves good quality steel/ metal

don't do it in India because we don't produce it

Another thought remember the thread about SMC behavior and Soundmagic warranty

Its the state when you are paying and not getting in Alms

 

[pratz]

uhh, well, i am not that EXPErienced enough to give out facts, but by observation, i don't think, PEOPLE in INDIA don't want to do anything, FOR any product to be manufactured and sold, there has to be a market , or A market created (base of marketing),

Yes there is good quality fabric made in italy, etc etc, but that's what Italians are famous for and have been doing it for ages, they have their skills and their talent can be nurtured, whereas in INDIA, innovations have taken place, patents are Registered , but if a Person is able to sell his IDEA only then can the product be manufactured, seriously, INDIAN MARKET according to ALL management institution MAINLY depends on Price AND Value for money, and it is the Major CHUNK.

Why do you think TATA MOTORS manufactured NANO and not a car WORTH 1 million $ , because then don't find it being VIABLE in Indian Market, they want to MASS produce and sell their car, and not churn out masterpieces, it's their approach , they are the ones who can make a difference, we have the capability , noone would disagree with me on that, but to start you need an ignition, some backing,

we are good at many other things MAY BE NOT FAMOUS for Quality, it depends on COnsumer-buyer behaviour, just my take on this ..... hope i didnt offend anyone

 

[chiron]

@Chiron

Try an experiment.

Get a Louis Philippe Made in India shirt. Get a Armani made in Italy shirt. And get a shirt tailored from an Indian designer using Indian and one using top Italian fabric. And get one tailored in NY or SR.

You will know the difference if you try all this.

Yeah, I'll probably feel different with just one kidney left.

 

[The Sorcerer]

According to Saiyan, Mumbai has good chicks. There you go!

 

[unixguru]

According to Saiyan, Mumbai has good chicks. There you go!

India also seems to have ultra high-end bad humour!

 

[blr_p]

India can manufacture anything to the same standard as anywhere in the world. The trouble is that we are a very young country, too diverse in origin and beliefs, are split up politically into units of convenience rather than efficiency. To add, we have very little installed capacity in modern, high-technology manufacturing. We are still largely of Gepettos, hammering away with our tools. Almost every piece of complex electronics today (and no, not just in India) is manufactured in China.

You don't think our soviet era labour laws might have something to do here ?

Can't fire workers, cant introduce automation. cant do loads of other stuff without permits or whatnot.

I say we are excellent at shooting both our feet and keeping ourselves underdeveloped.

The reason we remain mediocre is we have not created a system that rewards creativity. We need to figure out how to do that.

That in a nutshell to the OP is why we lag behind. Why we cannot manufacture stuff here as easily as China.

Setting up a company here can be quite hard especially if its to do in manufacturing.

Reforms 2.0 is still pending. What we had in 1991 is already quite old.

The problem is how does a govt that is getting an avg growth rate of 8% do it ?

They are afraid that rocking the boat will create a backlash and they will get blamed for screwing things up.

It will take guts to push through.

 

[stalker]

average growth rates aren't everything.. our friendly neighbor has supposedly been carding double digit figures for a while now. (15 odd for the last year, I think.)

 

[babhishek]

You guys really don't have any idea, don't you.

If you only pay $100 for a shirt, you don't expect it to be made in Italy with Italian cotton, right?

I am talking of affluent people who send $500-1000 for a shirt or $5000-20000 for a suit. Their stuff is made in Italy using Italian materials, wool, cotton etc.

If you can only afford to pay for low-lower mid stuff, Indian stuff may be decent. But when it comes to high quality stuff, India doesn't exist in that territory.

And don't tell me that you can Hugo Boss high end when their shirts sell for $50-60 at Nordstrom. When I say high end I mean Brioni, Kiton, Gucci MTM, Armani highest labels etc.

Not saying I can afford them, but those who can will get Italian stuff.

Even good Cashmere isn't produced in India. Maybe if you can only afford 10k for a jacket, but if you can spend a few lacs on a jacket, then Italy it is.

for a change rite is rite!!

 

[ankxxs]

@kippu: Please see where are you going? You are hitting a person rite below the belt which is not acceptable. I have met Rite in person & he is very much a guy & I hope that it well end your question regarding his gender.

If his interests in things is different that your that does not mean you can gang up on him & start insulting. If you don't like his threads then just don't put any comment. He is a young guy & may be he will learn things with time but not by the way you guys are dishing out insults at him.

 

[Onemufc]

India is a service powerhouse not a manufacture powerhouse ! The only thing we manufacture world class are " World Class Politicians " .

I would like to know Why Indian brand / Company you have which you will buy when you want to buy a premium price for something !

Say 30K for a mobile . 10K for PMP, 50K for a Laptop , 50K for a desktop configuration .

 

[blr_p]

average growth rates aren't everything.. our friendly neighbor has supposedly been carding double digit figures for a while now. (15 odd for the last year, I think.)

Whats your point ?