High-quality stuff manufactured in India?

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@Chiron

Try an experiment.

Get a Louis Philippe Made in India shirt. Get a Armani made in Italy shirt. And get a shirt tailored from an Indian designer using Indian and one using top Italian fabric. And get one tailored in NY or SR.

You will know the difference if you try all this.

As far as Italian fabric is concerned. You get Italian shirt fabrics anywhere from 2k to past 20k. Do you think all of them are the same?

Same goes for Indian stuff except that they don't have anything which can compete with mid-high end Italian stuff. And their stuff which competes with lower level Italian stuff is often not cheaper than their Italian counterpart either.
 
Why has this thread become a discussion on worthless 3000$ Italian shirts? Other than showing off that you are rich, why in hell would you need pearl buttons? Why is an Italian shirt the topic of debate on a tech forum on a thread about manufacturing high-quality electronics?

@Chaos Do the companies you mention manufacture computer speakers, and headphones? Are they prices cheaper than imported stuff?

@ Multi I knew about the DElLL plant but what exactly do they manufacture here? Also I checked the Dell US website and the Indian website, and it still looks like for comparable laptops the Indian price about 20-30% more.
 
rite,

what are you doing in INDIA?

@op.,

I agree with your sentiments here,

even in our medical gadgets,

its all US or japan.

our heart lung machine is Made in US.

our cardiac monitors are in germany (siemens)

our defib. is made by phillips (holland)

our IJV,Arterial lines are by ARROW,b braun (USA and may be germany?)

ventilators are all by siemens and GE.

only indian stuff we see in our practice is cables for monitors,iv fluids and medicines now a days.

but again all newer molecules are not indian,all imported stuff.

what lacks here is capital,only L&T bothered to invest in medical business of monitors and all but now i am not seeing them also.

we have technological know how ,our biomedical engineers are some the best.but what we lack is conducive enviornment to setup factories and capital.

in orthopedics,their is fantastic workmanship and innovations .

Dr.Sancheti from pune has designed and commercialised knee replacement implant.

ortho field has lot off innovation from INDIA.

may be I will start up some thing for our industry.
 
some where i heard that sonodyne makes speakers which are at par to world class.

though i have not verified it .

watched about it on NDTV
 
rite said:
You really think so?

Even as far as tailors are concerned, India's No.1 can't even compete with Top 100 in the world and maybe not even Top 100 in USA alone.

Same goes for anything in western apparel like trousers, jeans etc.

And it is the same with all third world countries.

When it comes to sheer quality and money is no object, Italy or USA is the way to go, at times England too.
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Compare how much you Pay India's No.1 tailor to stitch your Suit compare to USA/England tailor?
 
i have come to conclude that rite is a girl... all he talks about is clothes :| ...are you interested in anything else rite?

only one product that i know of that is of high quality is roots horns ,,made in my hometown :D
 
Guys...all of you must understand that Rite, in an attempt to express himself in a hurry, fails to do so by quoting numbers and statistics...

Having read through some of his posts in this thread, i'm assuming he's trying to point out India's possibly wayward approach in earning a name for ourselves in the Manufacturing & Textile field. I think he's trying to tell us all that our textile industry may never be able to compete with luxurious brands if we focus more on quantity instead of quality. And that if we shift our focus onto what's right maybe then we stand a chance of global recognition let alone attract such brands(priced fairly and suitably) to our soil. Rite hit the nail on the head, if i must say so, when he pointed out that expensive suits are a lot more comfortable. Quality always comes at a hefty price.

What's wrong if Rite can afford an expensive and luxurious lifestyle?

What's wrong if Rite uses unconfirmed statistics to prove his point? Don't we all do the something similar when we gang up against him unfairly?

To date i have not seen him personally attack even a single member on the forum. TE is a public forum and nowhere does it state that someone like Rite has no right(no pun intended) to express himself over here. If he's to be punished, then his only crime is that he's been open and forthcoming in his views albeit crudely.

The world looks to India as the last stand for democracy. And if we want to survive, we must strike with a sword forged in Objectivity and shield ourselves using Tolerance.

Correct him instead of punishing him.

@Rite - You can't afford to get all emotional if you can't express yourself first in a manner that doesn't annoy others. I learnt my lesson the hard way. Hope you do too(sans sarcasm) :)
 
When you are talking about quality you can't talk about budget. low quality goes with low budget. medium quality should be expected with a medium budget, plus minus here and there

US tailors are more expensive. But if you can afford them, they are worth it.

Indian tailors don't charge as much even to rich indians because they can't do as good a job. People prefer to get MTM Italy even in India based on their measurements instead due to better quality compared to most Indian tailors, if not all.

And @Sid

thanks a tonne mate :)

I intended to mean the same thing. Most Americans can only afford Indian mass produced stuff and it sells a lot due to its price. But with multi-millionaires where money is no object, Indians aren't at the same page as far as quality is concerned :)
 
To be honest, the best and many brilliant indians are working abroad, what a shame as those people can create a new era...
And those people are like to work under some REPUTED company like a robat. Sorry for offtopic,

And the only highest quality stuff that india produces and shines by making more profit than any thing is "wine shop"
 
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@everyone

check this documentary - BBC Secrets of Superbrands Part 2 Fashion
see how Diesel Jeans are made in a Denim factory in South India :lol:
 
A brand is not all about quality but marketing too.

And a market is not all about the brands but quality too.

Go by brands and you get boned.

Always compare products than the brands. Manufacturers thrive on such marketing. They produce a quality product and then serve the entry level with crap.

This is a known norm in PSU and Audio Industries if speaking purely of electronics.
 
Even if tomorrow all the giant companies do make inroads to India, and set up their manufacturing units in India, we just cant claim that we are technologically brilliant because we are just the workforce and not the brains behind the whole manufacturing process. The machinery itself will be non-indian, even of it is made in India, the patents are not held by any Indian company. So feeling good about ourselves that Dell and some other company have set up shop here becomes a moot point. As pratikb mentioned in his post, all the gadgets are non-indian. Non-indian as in the technology is not derived/produced/invented in India. The manufacturing of stuff can be made in any part of the world, all you need is a army of trained workers and nothing more. Why does India does not produce tech ? Thats the big question here.

I think its more to do with how the people here react to things. We are a lazy bunch when it comes to innovating or fixing things. How many times have you come across a half-working scissor or some other tool, replacing it never crosses your mind. We have become habituated with the word "jugaad". Its ingrained in us. Coded in our dna. While searching and reading stuff online I have come across so many tools which make your life easier for doing even the simplest of tasks.When we are in need of something we just make do with whatever we have. People from other tech-advanced nations go on and create a damn new tool for the job. Thats the difference.
 
india does produce technology but it does not get commercialised here.

i will give you two examples,

1) BARC (bhabha atomic research center) has developed water purification system at around 100 rs per piece but it did not get commercialised and its current status is unknown.

2)One of the DRDO sister concerns working in armament had developed a simple kit to detect explosives used in and terrorist attack.

this was like 6 mnths or so ago.

this technology was like simple diagnostic kit fitting in vanity box kind of.

this technology failed to commercialise in indian market and it got bought of by american company and I am sure,in yr or so we will hear news of Latest bomb detection technology imported from USA to fight terror.

we fail to commercialise our innovations.

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another excellent example where commercialisation was done properly is ISRO.

this organisation has been striving and fighting all kinds of tech imports bans but still they are on top right now.

their commercial entity ANTRIX is successful in entering commercial satellite launch market.

here we are ahead of chipanda.

2)Brahmos missile is excellent example of organisation where they did successful development work and got it fast in market.

its joint indo russian project and its hardly 3-4 yrs old and its already inducted and its surgical strike capability is known ro be excellent.

Its already for export market to friendly markets.

we need more such projects.
 
sid_donnydarko said:
Guys...all of you must understand that Rite, in an attempt to express himself in a hurry, fails to do so by quoting numbers and statistics...

Having read through some of his posts in this thread, i'm assuming he's trying to point out India's possibly wayward approach in earning a name for ourselves in the Manufacturing & Textile field. I think he's trying to tell us all that our textile industry may never be able to compete with luxurious brands if we focus more on quantity instead of quality. And that if we shift our focus onto what's right maybe then we stand a chance of global recognition let alone attract such brands(priced fairly and suitably) to our soil. Rite hit the nail on the head, if i must say so, when he pointed out that expensive suits are a lot more comfortable. Quality always comes at a hefty price.

What's wrong if Rite can afford an expensive and luxurious lifestyle?

What's wrong if Rite uses unconfirmed statistics to prove his point? Don't we all do the something similar when we gang up against him unfairly?

To date i have not seen him personally attack even a single member on the forum. TE is a public forum and nowhere does it state that someone like Rite has no right(no pun intended) to express himself over here. If he's to be punished, then his only crime is that he's been open and forthcoming in his views albeit crudely.

The world looks to India as the last stand for democracy. And if we want to survive, we must strike with a sword forged in Objectivity and shield ourselves using Tolerance.

Correct him instead of punishing him.

@Rite - You can't afford to get all emotional if you can't express yourself first in a manner that doesn't annoy others. I learnt my lesson the hard way. Hope you do too(sans sarcasm) :)
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Let me tell you that I am a very very unpatriotic guy! People have misunderstood my sentiments. I do not even believe that patriotism is an virtue, I think it is a vice that obstructs the basic fact that all humans irrespective of religion/race/nationality/choice of text editor are equal, and one. Therefore, I do not care that India's textile industry cannot compete with luxury brands, nor do I global recognition of India as a super-power.

The only reason I want to see high-quality electronics manufactured in India is so that we can all can get it for a cheaper rate! It is not a purely selfish reason either. Internet access and computers have become a necessity for many jobs. By manufacturing computer parts that are not very complex, we can shave of a few thousands rupees from each compute, thus increasing their affordability. And, don't tell me that for people who need cheap stuff there is always the low-end Chinese stuff. The low-end Chinese stuff are hopelessly bad. Their failure rate is way too high, and cannot be used in mission critical applications.

There is a popular Internet phrase for things that are simple, "It’s Not Rocket Science". I am only curious that if we can send something all the way too the Moon, why cannot we manufacture a good headphone? Some people who have understood the purpose of this thread have pointed some audio brands that I had never heard of before. Thank you for that! I will definitely try to look out for them, the next time I or a friend need some audio stuff.

Even if tomorrow all the giant companies do make inroads to India, and set up their manufacturing units in India, we just cant claim that we are technologically brilliant because we are just the workforce and not the brains behind the whole manufacturing process. The machinery itself will be non-indian, even of it is made in India, the patents are not held by any Indian company. So feeling good about ourselves that Dell and some other company have set up shop here becomes a moot point. As pratikb mentioned in his post, all the gadgets are non-indian. Non-indian as in the technology is not derived/produced/invented in India. The manufacturing of stuff can be made in any part of the world, all you need is a army of trained workers and nothing more. Why does India does not produce tech ? Thats the big question here.

I think its more to do with how the people here react to things. We are a lazy bunch when it comes to innovating or fixing things. How many times have you come across a half-working scissor or some other tool, replacing it never crosses your mind. We have become habituated with the word "jugaad". Its ingrained in us. Coded in our dna. While searching and reading stuff online I have come across so many tools which make your life easier for doing even the simplest of tasks.When we are in need of something we just make do with whatever we have. People from other tech-advanced nations go on and create a damn new tool for the job. Thats the difference.
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I find this post to be a classical example of the vice of fake patriotism! Indians are no different from the rest of the world. In terms of intelligence or laziness, we are not inferior to the Japanese, nor are we superior to the Somalians. Do not make such generalizations. First of all there is no one India. In fact, I believe the difference in terms of culture, way of life, etc. between some states of India is much more that between most countries. Statements like "We are a lazy bunch when it comes to innovating or fixing things" make no sense. I have seen similar statements, and in fact hypocritically I have made similar statements to justify my own laziness, but the hard fact is that it is simply not true.
 
rite said:
You really think so?

Even as far as tailors are concerned, India's No.1 can't even compete with Top 100 in the world and maybe not even Top 100 in USA alone.
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Im sorry but where are the stats to back that statement?

My father has contacts from the UK and US who request handmade clothes from here simply because Indian finishing skills are excellent (not to mention infinetly cheaper than American tailors) and lets not even get into the ready made clothes department.....
 
rite said:
When you are talking about quality you can't talk about budget. low quality goes with low budget. medium quality should be expected with a medium budget, plus minus here and there

US tailors are more expensive. But if you can afford them, they are worth it.

Indian tailors don't charge as much even to rich indians because they can't do as good a job. People prefer to get MTM Italy even in India based on their measurements instead due to better quality compared to most Indian tailors, if not all.

And @Sid

thanks a tonne mate :)

I intended to mean the same thing. Most Americans can only afford Indian mass produced stuff and it sells a lot due to its price. But with multi-millionaires where money is no object, Indians aren't at the same page as far as quality is concerned :)
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Exactly because what Indian's don't have they acquire! Jaguar, Land Rover, etc!
 
unixguru said:
Let me tell you that I am a very very unpatriotic guy! People have misunderstood my sentiments. I do not even believe that patriotism is an virtue, I think it is vice that obstructs the basic fact that all humans irrespective of religion/race/nationality/choice of text editor are equal, and one. Therefore, I do not care that India's textile industry cannot compete with luxury brands, nor do I global recognition of India as a super-power.

The only reason I want to see high-quality electronics manufactured in India is so that we can all can get it for a cheaper rate! It is not a purely selfish reason either. Internet access and computers have become a necessity for many jobs. By manufacturing computer parts that are not very complex, we can shave of a few thousands rupees from each compute, thus increasing their affordability. And, don't tell me that for people who need cheap stuff there is always the low-end Chinese stuff. The low-end Chinese stuff are hopelessly bad. Their failure rate is way too high, and cannot be used in mission critical applications.

There is a popular Internet phrase for things that are simple, "It’s Not Rocket Science". I am only curious that if we can send something all the way too the Moon, why cannot we manufacture a good headphone? Some people who have understood the purpose of this thread have pointed some audio brands that I had never heard of before. Thank you for that! I will definitely try to look out for them, the next time I or a friend need some audio stuff.
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Everyone has their own reasons. My post was never intended to prick the conscience of those who aren't patriotic. And neither am i defending Rite. I only hoped that every member on TE would cut everyone else some slack.
 
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