How will Trumps threat on 100% tariff on BRICS pan out

6pack said:
Watch your tone kid! I don't tolerate people talking like this. If you have something to say, don't lose your manners. Else even I can start rubbish like you. @mods, is talk like this allowed on TE now?
Even BBC is fake news now I guess
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Government shutdown live updates: Republicans mount fresh attempt to avert shutdown as time runs out

The prospect of a government shutdown hangs in the balance as lawmakers weigh how to negotiate a new deal.
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The meltdown over just "Sit down" :p , the internet era of calling of mods friends for censorship and stopping free speech is over for authoritarian liberals sir. Stop gatekeeping free speech.

Speaking of BBC, yes it is fake news aswell and part of MSM ugly rot. I can't even believe you had the audacity to even ask that question. Anyways, about the Govt shutdown, please listen to X, which is the media now where a oppressed black man explains about the Govt spending and how it doesn't even matter for army payout which was again fake news spread by Hilary Clinton, an agent of deep state coz even with govt shutdown social security and army payouts continue.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1869937297422233759

Now go complain to mod friends to stop this free speech and busting your fake news and narrative. Again, X is the media now, deal with it.
 
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lged821 said:
Anyways, about the Govt shutdown, please listen to X, which is the media now where a oppressed black man explains about the Govt spending and how it doesn't even matter for army payout which was again fake news spread by Hilary Clinton, an agent of deep state coz even with govt shutdown social security and army payouts continue.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1869937297422233759
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Very interesting and thanks for posting this. It's as clear a laypersons explanation as we will ever get.

Since we are in uncharted territory now there is a huge incentive for the establishment to gaslight everything said and done.

How to deal with it. Keep faith and trust the people in charge. Not the opposition.

It's interesting to see these developments before the new government has started :)
 
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blr_p said:
Very interesting and thanks for posting this. It's as clear a laypersons explanation as we will ever get.

Since we are in uncharted territory now there is a huge incentive for the establishment to gaslight everything said and done.

How to deal with it. Keep faith and trust the people in charge. Not the opposition.

It's interesting to see these developments before the new government has started :)
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I'm quite excited aswell for the new Govt in the US. I am fine debating in a rational manner with anyone but these MSM shills have really lost it now. They are like zombies now repeating what MSM feeds them thinking it's the absolute truth. They do selective reporting, to favor their narrative, they lie and lie and lie and they feel no shame in doing so just coz they have now become ideological slaves. This all started in the name of liberalism and free speech and now the same shills want to curb free speech and become full on nazi authoritarians. They told us about trump being greedy for money but never see their own faults where liberals raised over a billion for elections and trump just with less than half of their war chest (400m) and without any hollywood celebs endorsements won with a huge margins.
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They told us musk is a billionaire but they just don't want to see and acknowledged snakes in their own ideological leaders for example this
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Either liberals start supporting free speech again like they did once or this zombiesism will be the end of their leaders and their ideology. We normal people really are fed up with ideological wars and MSM lies. I don't support the conservatism and right wing but that will never ever mean I will start supporting authoritarian ideologies which is what liberalism has become now. It is less about love for trump or right wing leaders but more about despising the other side who wants us to become what they claim to hate (nazis), we will never become zombies. Their authority of what a person will read has come to an end, X is the media now (till some new alternative with credibility comes along). They in the name of "poverty" , student loans , economy, got into the power in 2020 and what did they do when they came in power? Start wars? Remember when trump was in power, these liberals claimed trump's a warmonger? And when they got in power, all they did is start war's and continue wars and topple elected govt's in different countries and continents and then still had the audacity to call right wing fascists.

They call whatever concerns right brought up in opposition as "conspiracies" and then gaslighted people (their own liberal peers) when we questioned them. Ofc not all right's concerns were legitimate (they were in opposition, so duh!) but many were, like changing the whole society structure with gender wars, pronouns, woke ideology. They promoted it. They kept letting illegals through the borders. They talk abt law yet they keep breaking them. They talk about constitution yet they keep undermining the constitution. They talk about democracy yet they spread russia hoax. They kept quite for the pedophile president's son and still kept quite when president pardoned his son. That was such a treachery to the constitution and democracy but did liberlas question it? Did they say democracy is in danger? No! Why? coz they have become ideological slaves now.

Funny part was they kept doing identity politics in the name of race and when a black person questioned their policies, they called the same person "traitor" to his community. They call other side racist yet they kept being racist to all other people. They claim right do "us vs them" or "otherization politics but when white people faced racist attacks, they didn't say anything and kept quite. When black people questioned BLM movement being a fraud, they called the same black people as slaves of white people (funny as they claim to be against slavery) , so why did they did that? either they really think blacks are slaves of whites, which isn't the case or they wanted to gaslight the black people in any case both are wrong to do and inherently makes them racists. They kept quite for hate speeches of black people against white people in Africa. They kept gatekeeping black people. If anyone questioned them they called that person or group of people uneducated or racist or whatever label they could throw at them.

Anyways I am done with the rant, X is the media now. Deal with it. Democracy and free speech will never be undermined by anyone in this world. However hard liberals or communists try to. Shamless.
 
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Democracy and free speech will never be undermined by anyone in this world. However hard liberals or communists try to. Shamless.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Have you heard of Mike Benz or listened to anything he said.

Free speech was used to undermine democracy where US pulled a Jan 6 on Ukraine.

Free speech is good because you don't have to invade countries. If you can use the media of that country to elect the right person then that person will take care of the military.

That worked fine until Trump's win in 2016 and Brexit. Blamed on Russia. Who wanted to get back at the US after Ukraine 2014.

Right wing populism was deemed as much of an authoritarian threat as left wing communism. Safeguards are required. Otherwise there will be a people's ground up revolt against institutions, against government, against science, against media, against NGOs, against experts & academics. Democracy has to be defended from demagoguery.

Democracy is no longer about the will of individuals but the consensus of institutions. If there is consensus between the military, the diplomacy sphere, the intelligence community, the NGO's, the media outlets and the universities. Then that is democracy. The institutional guard rails. The people who know best.

Trump and other populists like him are a threat to democracy because he undermined years of consensus building among these institutions. Elections are a threat to democracy. Elections corrupt democracy. We have to stop thinking of elections as democracy because elections allow populists to circumvent the consensus of institutions :bored:

Censorship allows to win the soft war. Otherwise Russian narratives will take over and US will lose in Africa, in Latin America, in central & eastern Europe. You lose the power to shape elections so extremists and populists will win and undermine democratic institutions.

Censorship during covid? A US military directive because misinformation on critical infrastructure.

If replacement theory becomes a thing then the whites might push back. That's when censorship will happen.

Been on youtube anytime. Half my comments get removed or never show up because one or more words are unacceptable. Censorship AI.

It used to be like that on twitter until Elon took over

Example of a censorship mercenary firm.

The people who claim to protect you are the ministry of truth. They let you see only what doesn't endanger national security.

Trump won in 2016 and recently because we still have a relatively free Internet. It will be a struggle to keep it that way.

It's not full blown yet but this censorship animal is no longer in the infant stage. It will be a tough fight for Trump.
 
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Renegade said:
Please keep the discussion civil and without personal attacks. Everyone will have a point and counterpoint, debate respectfully. We are not a news show or Reddit/X.
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That ship sailed long time back when you guys allowed antivaxxers to spread their bullshit on this forum. Moderate the content of the posts, not just the tone.

Civil discussions go beyond 'don't say rude words'. By letting these f**king clowns simping for American republicans, you guys are telling us 'its ok to spread debunked horseshit as long as the words used are polite'. What a joke. Not all point, arguments, or opinions are valid. Some don't deserve any platform or response whatsoever. If you let these people fester, sooner or later, most decent people will leave the platform and you'll be left with Trump and Elon's bootlickers.

To rest of the guys, don't bother responding to the idiots, they feed on the attention. Just add them to the ignore list and move on. Also check out Bluesky and Lemmy where trolls like these are few and far between.

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Mr.J said:
That ship sailed long time back when you guys allowed antivaxxers to spread their bullshit on this forum. Moderate the content of the posts, not just the tone.

Civil discussions go beyond 'don't say rude words'. By letting these f**king clowns simping for American republicans, you guys are telling us 'its ok to spread debunked horseshit as long as the words used are polite'. What a joke. Not all point, arguments, or opinions are valid. Some don't deserve any platform or response whatsoever. If you let these people fester, sooner or later, most decent people will leave the platform and you'll be left with Trump and Elon's bootlickers.

To rest of the guys, don't bother responding to the idiots, they feed on the attention. Just add them to the ignore list and move on. Also check out Bluesky and Lemmy where trolls like these are few and far between.

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We do not have the bandwidth or the desire to moderate the content of the posts.

Just because we believe in something strongly does not mean the other's viewpoint needs to be completely ignored. As a community we cannot shut down someone even if we think they are wrong, we still need to engage. Not doing so goes into the territory of extreme opinion.

Most decent people can put the Current Events and Debate section on ignore. No other section has this problem. No need to ignore other users or forums.
 
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Renegade said:
We do not have the bandwidth or the desire to moderate the content of the posts.

Just because we believe in something strongly does not mean the other's viewpoint needs to be completely ignored. As a community we cannot shut down someone even if we think they are wrong, we still need to engage. Not doing so goes into the territory of extreme opinion.

Most decent people can put the Current Events and Debate section on ignore. No other section has this problem. No need to ignore other users or forums.
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OK, have fun dealing with climate change deniers and antivaxxers. Respect the baseless opinions of halfwits. What could go wrong?

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en.wikipedia.org

Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

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Could've been better if people avoid personal attacks and drive up emotional drivels and name calling.
If there were antivaxxers, those support vaccines can easily post their vaccine supporting stance and discredit deniers, not a big deal.
It's emotional over-fretting, finger-pointing, dog-whistling, blaming, etc. which creates a toxic environment.
Don't think mods on forums like this have time, patience and resources to cater on such cases, so they will close such threads which may sometimes looks unstable.
 
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An interesting read. Unfortunately as I said, the only fall back is shutting down religion and politics.
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Shutting down religion and politics from life? Is that your suggestion? And nothing unfortunate about it as it is a choice you guys have made, not something out of your hands.
 
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Shutting down religion and politics from life? Is that your suggestion? And nothing unfortunate about it as it is a choice you guys have made, not something out of your hands.
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You understood what I said (shutting down such threads on TE) and yet you are trying to evoke a reaction. That's how threads get derailed.

And unfortunate because we do not have the bandwidth to suppress one side of the discussion. Not unfortunate for us, unfortunate for the people wanting us to do that.
 
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So for liberals neither the solution of free speech isn't a solution as given by mods, they want mods to suppress people and when the next solution given is shutting down the whole convo regarding anything political/religion etc, that's not fine with them either. Then they have the audacity to call others intolerant.

The only solution for liberals to mods is - Let only liberal fake news and MSM propaganda be allowed in this forum, "OR" we will leave the forum which basically means they want to indulge in cancel culture.

They really have lost it now lol. Btw again I would want to bring out this point that liberals have kept quite and not a single liberal have condemned the pedophile president's son who was pardoned by authoritarian executive order. No, for them this is democracy. Pardoning a pedophile doesn't get democracy in "danger" but trump wanting to stop wars is threat to democracy, free speech and fundamental rights.
 
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So for liberals neither the solution of free speech isn't a solution as given by mods, they want mods to suppress people and when the next solution given is shutting down the whole convo regarding anything political/religion etc, that's not fine with them either. Then they have the audacity to call others intolerant.

The only solution for liberals to mods is - Let only liberal fake news and MSM propaganda be allowed in this forum, "OR" we will leave the forum which basically means they want to indulge in cancel culture.

They really have lost it now lol. Btw again I would want to bring out this point that liberals have kept quite and not a single liberal have condemned the pedophile president's son who was pardoned by authoritarian executive order. No, for them this is democracy. Pardoning a pedophile doesn't get democracy in "danger" but trump wanting to stop wars is threat to democracy, free speech and fundamental rights.
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OK I read your post twice and I could not understand the point being made. Probably because I don't follow political discourse so unable to connect the dots.

I'll say this again. We are not asking anyone (whatever your political or social affiliation) to shut up or leave, we are asking everyone to be respectful to each other. If it bothers you so much that you cannot hold your marbles then feel free to not engage in such threads.

Mods will always be accused of being biased by someone or the other. The best community is where mods are invisible.
 
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You understood what I said (shutting down such threads on TE) and yet you are trying to evoke a reaction. That's how threads get derailed.
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I'm just pointing out how laughable your solution is. "Yeah we'll let quacks and idiots spew bs without impunity. Just ignore it." Great strategy.
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Mods will always be accused of being biased by someone or the other. The best community is where mods are invisible.
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One side says 'vaccines are important, climate change is a serious problem', other side says 'vaccines are useless, they cause autism, climate change is a hoax' and you are letting misinformation spread because you're afraid of being biased?

Also 'Best community is where mods are invisible' is a dumb take used by alt-righters when their hatespeech is removed. Don't try to use it as a shield. One of the best community I know is AskHistorians and mods there are anything but invisible.
 
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OK I read your post twice and I could not understand the point being made.
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I am not accusing mods of anything. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Liberals.

From your earlier posts you suggested either :

*Let everyone make their points (free speech).
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*Let's shut all political discourse as anyways it doesn't belong in a tech forum.

I am fine with both the solutions provided. What I was saying before is Liberals were not okay with either of these solutions. Liberals are saying actively suppress free speech coz they think they know the only truth and don't close political discourse. This just shows Liberals hypocrisy.
 
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One of the best community I know is AskHistorians and mods there are anything but invisible.
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I just looked at their rules and it's really strict. Everything not adhering to rules is deleted and locked. If you want TE to be like that we will need 5- 10 full time mods here to police posts. I don't think people are so crazy for modding duties like redditors who like to weld power over people.
 
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