Intel 13th Generation ‘Raptor Lake’ CPU Lineup

In US, 12900k is for less than 500 USD and Indian pricing is under 49k. so 589$ for 13900k will be less than 60k and it beats the 7950x hand down in gaming at all resolution but the power draw is insane only at full load and not during gaming.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
Initial reviews put gaming performance as same or slightly better in i5 13600K over 7600X, with productivity performance better than even R7 7700X. IMO AMD only has R9 7950X as a good choice, rest Intel will likely take the wins unless AMD cuts prices.
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Yeah, just saw the reviews on 7600X. This is going to be the best productivity midrange CPU right now. AMD has to respond with 7800X priced very close to 13600K. Otherwise, it is going to be bye bye marketshare.

Who would have imagined Intel's 14 core CPU priced at same level as AMD's 6 core CPU. For those who say P+E, a core is still a core and E cores are powerful on their own. Had Intel had an upper hand like pre-Zen days, 13600k would have been paraded as 13900K, priced at 700$ or above. This is why competition is good for the consumers.
 
animishticomb said:
Just curious why do people worry about power so much (assuming they have a good case and cooling it hardly raises the temp that much..)

Are they worried because they have invested in a psu that is just borderline sufficient for curremt system and will need to invest more for 100-200 watt more gpu?
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In Europe, power costs have spiked this year so reviewers there are paying a lot more attention to power consumption

personally, I would be uncomfortable using a 4090 + 13900k system in the summer without putting in place some sort of lower power limit on both
 
desiibond said:
I am leaning more towards 7950X. AMD has confirmed that they will stick to AM5 socket into 2025. Intel is moving to new socket next year itself and another socket in 2025. I can get full DDR5 based platform now with 7950X and in 2025, I can upgrade just the CPU (if required).
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Intel has beaten AM5 using a 10nm node, Imagine what they would do with a 7nm or a 5nm node.
Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake Processors will mostly be composed of TSMC's 5nm/6nm. Plus it is going to come in end of 2023.
 
I will be vary of the current ddr5 sticks. They will get outdated quickly in a year. Much higher clocks with better latency chips are going to come. I noticed this with my skylake ddr4 sticks.
 
Fenix said:
Intel has beaten AM5 using a 10nm node, Imagine what they would do with a 7nm or a 5nm node.
Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake Processors will mostly be composed of TSMC's 5nm/6nm. Plus it is going to come in end of 2023.
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TBH, AMD was caught napping by Intel. Did AMD even expect Intel to undercut 7xxx chips on pricing? But the gains from Intel this time around mainly comes from higher core count. They had to cram in 24 cores to beat a 12 core 7950X. This is something I wonder. Even with that many cores, they still could not cleanly pull ahead.

Coming to fab, by the time Intel moves to 7nm or 5nm node, AMD would have moved to better fabrication. What I really want to imagine is 'what happens if AMD can make better chiplets? Right now, their biggest chiplet is made of 8 CPU cores. They should have gone with a 12 core chiplet with Zen4 (probably they will do this when they move to 3nm fab) and with this, they would have had 7950X as a 24 core chip. First thing AMD has to do is show middle finger to AM4 compatible coolers and fix that heat spreader to improve heat dissipation. Then they need to get closer to the core counts that Intel offers on their chips.

Something like this would have given AMD upper hand for new generation:

7600x: 8 cores.
7800x: 12 cores
7900x: 16 cores
7950x: 24 cores
 
desiibond said:
TBH, AMD was caught napping by Intel. Did AMD even expect Intel to undercut 7xxx chips on pricing? But the gains from Intel this time around mainly comes from higher core count. They had to cram in 24 cores to beat a 12 core 7950X. This is something I wonder. Even with that many cores, they still could not cleanly pull ahead.

Coming to fab, by the time Intel moves to 7nm or 5nm node, AMD would have moved to better fabrication. What I really want to imagine is 'what happens if AMD can make better chiplets? Right now, their biggest chiplet is made of 8 CPU cores. They should have gone with a 12 core chiplet with Zen4 (probably they will do this when they move to 3nm fab) and with this, they would have had 7950X as a 24 core chip. First thing AMD has to do is show middle finger to AM4 compatible coolers and fix that heat spreader to improve heat dissipation. Then they need to get closer to the core counts that Intel offers on their chips.

Something like this would have given AMD upper hand for new generation:

7600x: 8 cores.
7800x: 12 cores
7900x: 16 cores
7950x: 24 cores
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It was a smart move from Intel and they followed the CPU design from Snapdragon, where you have cores for specific work. They simplified it using Performance and Efficiency cores, which is still not rosy because some apps do not like that concept. Plus, when a redditer disabled one chiplet on 7950x, he got really got good temps + performance boost across gaming, so yeah, AMD has to fix that part or make it more efficient.

With AM4 - My Money was on AMD
With AM5 - My Money is on Intel. :D
 
desiibond said:
First thing AMD has to do is show middle finger to AM4 compatible coolers and fix that heat spreader to improve heat dissipation
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AM4 compatible coolers is not the main goal. The chiplet(s) with the new process are very small, even compared to the IHS. And they are not even near the center. The thick metal lid is required to enhance lateral heat transfer. Otherwise the direct heat pipes of the cooler may or may not be around the actual chiplet. And more importantly, a small gap in thermal grease application around the chiplet will cause lots of complaints. We know that even professional system builders don't apply thermal grease properly, and amateurs range from very good to very bad.

Der8auer has even created a lapping tool to reduce the thickness, but he isn't advertising it as strongly as his delidding tool. And jayz2cents used that lapping tool, and got only around 5 degrees improvement in temperature, and zero in performance.

TinTinSnowy said:
I will be vary of the current ddr5 sticks. They will get outdated quickly in a year. Much higher clocks with better latency chips are going to come. I noticed this with my skylake ddr4 sticks.
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Yeah, like DDR 4 2666 MHz. But current motherboards , or maybe even IMCs, are anyway not capable of driving much faster memory. Zen4 and Alderlake most likely will have trouble above 6000, Raptorlake may do better but I've not seen the tests.

So current memory sticks will remain useful for zen4 and Alderlake motherboards, which will remain in wide circulation as new pieces for 3 years, and as used pieces for next 7 years.

Due to cheapness, people are even advocating use of Alderlake motherboards for Raptorlake CPUs - in this case my doubt is even stronger about higher speed memory being driven.
 
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