Is India is a dumping yard for inferior IT products ?

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Does India is a dumping yard for inferior IT products ?

Does India is a dumping yard for inferior IT & CE Products?

Please post all your comments on the above topic here.

This is a major issue to deal with .The same should be addressed with Good Dealers & the Govt: Authority in India too.

WHY? READ ON.

We are making observations & case studies on many products sold in India in large way are said to be inferior products made in China for Export Only. These products can’t be sold in China as it does not pass any Govt: quality Regulations.

In India The Govt:Still don’t have any regulation & Quality Guidelines for IT &CE products imported to India, Which in turn allows importers to make huge money by selling those inferior products all over India & also attracting huge distributors by offering them incentives, Gifts & Trips based on their sales target.
On turn, these products are sold to poor people to who does not have any knowledge about these makes!

It’s a universal truth that ONLY famous companies makes good quality products, and if they makes any good products then it will be available all over the WORLD? YES, it’s TRUE.

More than 112+ local brands are sold in India alone, 99% of them are sourced from non certified manufacturers and labeled as Indian Brands. There is a huge price reduction in products that does not qualify for country specific quality guidelines.

egg :FCC for US,
Safety mark for Singapore etc.
CE for Europe.

Every major nations have their own quality marks, India also have BIS, but BIS have very poor guidelines even below to a local Chinese maker, Its time to revise the BIS policy or to enforce another new ONE.

Also many products sold in India also have fake/dummy FCC & CE markings too.

the Result:-

As these products are made for export only (to those nations which does not have any import quality & safety guidelines),packed in local naming with attractive boxes to attract customer, even with wrong technical details.

These products may operate only for short duration with low performance or its performance may decrease over time to poor build quality. Even if its fails within warranty period their ASP will give you another one or repair the same.

But you are still owns a product that does not have the total quality. To understand what the Total quality is ,you must use any equivalent product from any famous make (world over) and compare the same!. You can understand the actual difference too.

What really missing ?

for e.g.:
In Mice & keyboards

the packing gives details about higher DPI such as 800dpi or even 1800dpi < ,but actually it may be 160dpi (technically)and the declaration may be interpolated via software.
Also tactile feel (for keyboards) & click feels may be little harder & scroll wheel accuracy & smoothness degrades after long usage.

for power supplies (SMPS)

This is the majority IT part where the real gimmicks takes place.
Majority of power supplies sold under local brand(99%)are made with inferior products, or refurbished or may have relabeled with fake markings & ratings.

Many power supplies sold in India have wrong markings in their power ratings including Amps & wattage marks.many 450W total power rated power supplies are technically have 160-180Watts only, many of these power supplies also comes with some design tweaks to avoid normal cutoffs & to override some functions to "Feel safe" for end users.

These products also cause higher power consumption too.
They also made with inferior components ,resulting in low MTBF & may also cause damage to other system parts too, These power supplies are sold under USD 1-3 $/pc to import agents in India from Hong Kong or China.

Many people may think that they have 2 year warranty on SMPS, but it is actually slowly killing your other components in the case,esp:mainboard & HDDs as it works in "pull power" mode.( it works with totally tweaked power ratings ,rather than clean actual power).It may also result in frequent system crashes, low component life & decreased total system performance !

Cabinets:-

They are also made with low grade materials with poor (absent) thermal & cable management provisions even resulting in short life of integrating components too.

Speakers:-
Many these local branded speakers also sold with fake power ratings (even RMS values),but only may have high volume levels to attract common man. But it even does not have any good quality Audio circuitry And possibly a cloned design from a major manufacturer. They even come with extra gimmicks like LCDs or remotes with funky functions to take more money from those poor customers.

UPS:-

Many UPS also does not proper power ratings and sold with duped ratings ,poor circuits & low quality Batteries (some with wrong ratings marks too),Never fell in its extended warranty offers, look & study its customer feedbacks before buying a UPS.

Monitors:

Never buy any CRT monitors nowadays ,because no one manufacturers the same since 2009, if you are getting one it may be 100% refurbished or " made from recycled parts ",even resulting in higher radiations & risk of life !!

KEEP AWAY from CRTs !!!!

Also try to buy TFTs from major manufacturers only, also take a case study about its local support center feedbacks.TFTs are hard to repair as many parts are not easily available

Fake/Counterfeit Products

Majority of these products are pen drives, memory cards,cases, input devices,headphones & RAM modules as these are easy to replicate as originals.
Please keep away from these and make sure you are getting the genuine item from the authorized source too ,also more guides are available via online tools to validate the same.

Please post your comments & experiences on the above matter here so that the IT community can be saved from those inferior products landing in India !

-The rightguide.in Team.
 
Re: Does India is a dumping yard for inferior IT products ?

hi there amd999. nice to see another tvm guy here :)

I'm curious when you say rightguide.in team - I could not find a website of that name.

And your profile says that you are a distri - Just curious which one :)
 
Re: Does India is a dumping yard for inferior IT products ?

wrong place to post. this most probably belongs in the general section IMO, since you are very vague on which products are inferior and have just given a generalization of types of inferior products.

For a start why don't you list the names of the brands which your team has researched to be inferior and are asking us to stay away from. Without any links to validate your research, all that your post managed to do is look silly, since everyone here usually buys only branded products.
 
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Hi 6pack, i am a new user to this forum,and actually dont know where to post this thread formally.We are talking about inferior quality branded products which are sold in India.(those branded products which are sold in India only as "local brands").We are not taking names of those brands which are sold globally,those products have both quality & reliability.

We are discussing about products that are sold in "INDIA only".We are not giving its names here,but forum users have the right to express thier attitude on those brands here.

We wish to make the IT community free from those ineferior products, major reason is that many resellers & regional distributors push these products for more incentives from the importer which in turn again pushed by small inegrators & dealers.The same also give more margin to retailers .
The ONLY Solution is to enforce strict quality & safety guidelines by Govt:of India so that only good quality products will land in India.

As per our surveys more than 97% end users using Computers (may be one or more)for more than 3-4 years with many or little hardware upgradations also faced many hardware & software problems due to this inferior products.In some cases they realized the true fact that they were duped by vendors by selling those products !
 
now I'm confused what the purpose of this thread really is.

You ask a question whether India is a dumping ground for inferior products. Then you yourself say that many Indian companies themselves bring and sell these inferior products to get more profit from larger margins and you don't want us to know the names of these companies for some reason you have. And then you expect us to stay away from buying these products. :S

Its like telling someone to stay away from something since it is bad for them, and not telling them what that something is. Hope you get my point :|
 
even countries like nigeria also enforced strict policies ...

Inferior IT imports to be monitored more closely

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:00=Article published on NigeriaPOST.
Regulatory agencies, especially the Standard Organisation of Nigeria (SON), are suppose to ensure products brought into the country meet certain standards but have been unsuccessful in keeping track of all imports because of the porous nature of the market.
Monitoring of Nigerian IT markets, such as the Computer Village Ikeja in Victoria Island, revealed the importation of inferior products has become the norm. Products such as flash drives, computer casings, CPU monitors are either refurbished or brought into the country through the grey market. Such goods often have a short life span.

The Computer Professionals Council of Nigeria (CPN) earlier said they are going to work with SON to thoroughly check the quality of computer products brought in to the country. Local businesses which encourage the production of inferior goods will also receive serious warnings.

even countries like nigeria also enforced strict policies (in 2009), then why INDIA still waits ?
 
First off, Most IT products are made in China

say for example, Zebronics, most of their self branded stuff is from China

what is wrong abt that

I can get a bijli cabinet for 900 bucks(without psu) - serves my purpose, i get VFM

another stuff say, card reader, lan card, mouse etc - they are cheap and okish quality and serves their purpose

If a CM basic model cabby is available for 1000 bucks, i dont need to go for Zebronics and Intex, alas its not happening

Its the customer who have to chose what they need and what they can afford

Not all products/brands in Newegg and other US stores are of highest quality

Indian hardware scene is now much versatile,

We get almost all the stuff which US guys get, heck even Lian-li is here man :)
 
6pack said:
now I'm confused what the purpose of this thread really is.
You ask a question whether India is a dumping ground for inferior products. Then you yourself say that many Indian companies themselves bring and sell these inferior products to get more profit from larger margins and you don't want us to know the names of these companies for some reason you have. And then you expect us to stay away from buying these products. :S

Its like telling someone to stay away from something since it is bad for them, and not telling them what that something is. Hope you get my point :|

+1 ...very confused rhetoric here.

At some point there is a conflating low quality with false advertising which is a seperate issue entirely.

Question to amd999, why do you want to limit the choice that ppl have in the market ? who are you to decide what is good or bad for a somebody else ?

If a product is crap it fails and dissapears, why do you want to interfere with this process.
 
Is India is a dumping yard for inferior IT products ?

You start with this question in the title and then go on to say that distributors are importing cheap quality products. But then its Indians who are importing and Indians who are buying them. No one outside is actually 'dumping' the cheap stuff here. As long as its out of freewill among the distributors and customers it cannot be defined as dumping.

On the other hand if India and some other countries order the same item form china for the same prices and china deliberately sends you stock that is rejected by the others, then that's called dumping.

Dumping does happen in India, but not the way you described. An example of dumping is what Microsoft does with its 360's. When ever a new 360 hardware update is done, the old stock in Europe and other counties is replaced by the newer versions (since the old versions will not get consumed any more in those places) and then they dump those old stocks into countries like India for consumption at the standard prices. Neither the customers nor the distributors have a say in this.
 
@ AMD999 i read your post in the toshiba thread stating toshiba was dumping inferior quality parts here.

Let us see some facts when it comes to the laptop market.

let us take toshiba for example::

toshiba's line up in India includes tecra,satellite,protege and their netbook line up.while in the us they have the satellite pro,qosmio and equium. in addition to the above line up. the products sold in India have a noticeable price difference but not quality difference. what you point out as quality is infact the lower threshold of tolerance levels the products have when they are operated in India. Its hot,humid,dusty,dry and sometimes super cold here in India -- such conditions aren't there in europe its either cold,very cold,or warm. the climate does make a big impact on your hardware. the companies can toughen the products before they sell them here. which is why some products sold here boast of compatibility to Indian conditions.

i would have whole heartedly supported you if your rants were about the pricing of products in India or even about the late adoption of technology by big companies in their products(example-core i5 laptops and newer video cards in laptops) or excluding a part of their lineup and selling underpowered parts here but the stuff that is sold here is of the same quality as any other country. its just that the rate of failure is higher in India because of the harsh climate that exists here.
 
Does India is a dumping yard for inferior IT products ?

As per Toshiba, i can t agree with your opinion, We had checked parts internally of more than 50+ Toshiba Laptops made for India,Singapore & US.All Indian's models have some low quality parts (as compared to other places ) mainly the casing assembly,mainboard parts, cooling part ,LCD panel grade,Panel Coating material & even on some passive components.To verify yourself please try to visit any singapore or UAE dealer website & check its prices with spec details.

We also conducted feedbacks from more than 130 Toshiba customers about thier Pros & Cons with the product too.
 
IT products? Seriously... learn what you type.
People need to understand difference between IT and hardware products.

Thank you for trolling BTW.
 
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amd999 said:
As per Toshiba, i can t agree with your opinion, We had checked parts internally of more than 50+ Toshiba Laptops made for India,Singapore & US.
Who's we ??

amd999 said:
All Indian's models have some low quality parts (as compared to other places ) mainly the casing assembly,mainboard parts, cooling part ,LCD panel grade,Panel Coating material & even on some passive components.

To verify yourself please try to visit any singapore or UAE dealer website & check its prices with spec details..
Post your report here and we'll see how YOU verified it in the first place :)

amd999 said:
We also conducted feedbacks from more than 130 Toshiba customers about thier Pros & Cons with the product too.
Heh, looks like you need to look up sampling theory before you can say more.

130 is too low to have any opinion.

Secondly, can we see your questionnaire to check for any inherent bias.

More i read what you say the more my BS detector is going full tilt.
 
1.Does your casing is made by a manufacturer with international
certificate on quality & safety for exports ?

2.Does its plactics contains any hazardous materials?Can it be safely
recycled?

3.Whats the life of these products?

4.Does its accs such as Fans are of proper rating & quality?

5.How is its build quality rather than physical appearance?

6.Many people says that its VFM, but does it 100% equal to any branded
cases?

7.Does it have proper cable,wire & Air management provisions?

8.Does your products(components) life decreased due to these cases un
proper designs?
If Govt:makes any import guidelines then prices of good quality
products will fall drastically as more qty will be imported to India.

Why India Still dont have guidelines ?
The power supply is probably the most neglected component on PC.
Usually when buying a computer, we just take on account the processor
type and clock, the motherboard model, the video card model, the
quantity of installed memory, the hard disk storage capacity, and we
forget about the power supply, which, in fact, is the one who supplies
the "fuel" for the PC parts to operate properly.

A power supply of good quality and with enough capacity can increase
the durability of your equipment and reduce your electricity bill .
Just to have an idea, a high-quality power supply will cost less than
5% of the PC total price. On the other hand, a low-quality power supply
can cause several intermittent problems, which are mostly difficult to
be solved. A defective or bad-intentioned power supply can lock the PC,
can result in hard disk bad blocks, can result in the infamous "blue
screen of death" errors and random resets and freezings, added to many
other problems.
High-volume, low-quality manufacturers often purchase designs from
other companies for use in their own products. These 'carbon-copy'
designs are often of low quality. In turn, they release their
carbon-copy product with additional bells-and-whistles and a different
company 'label' to entice customers. They may even charge a premium for
the additional features. If you're serious about purchasing a reliable

PSU, only buy one from a manufacturer that designs a majority of their
units.PSU manufacturers and distributors have no obligation to any standard
of rating wattage. Many 'value' PSUs may not actually output the
wattages they claim under real-world conditions. It's possible for a
500W 'value' PSU to produce less power than a quality PSU sold at 350W.
Thus, 'upgrading' a PSU but selecting a low-end model, may actually be
a downgrade!
A power supply with higher efficiency brings two advantages. First, a
lower electricity bill. This savings are noticeable and at the end it
pays off buying a power supply with higher efficiency, even if it
initially costs a little bit more.

The second advantage is less heat being produced.
If using any local branded power supplies:

1.Does it have proper protection circuits rather than tweaked ?
2.Does it provides proper watts/Amps rating as marked on PSU unit?
3.Does it may damage other parts such as mainboards & HDDs
4.Does it takes more electricity which also makes increased electricity
bill.
5.Does it have proper venting & good quality FAN?
6.What are the total failure rates ?
7.Its noise level?
8. Does Using 100 Qtys these power supplies in an area causes more
energy usage ?Does this also makes higher electricity bills ? Does it

have any energy management circuitry?

8.Can replacing these 100 Qtys in a town within Good quality power supplies can save more money in electricity,system failures, repeated repairs,also
saves our earth too,

9.Does paying higher priced branded PSUs makes any savings in Total?

Yes, the money invested in good PSUs can be returned back within a year
or so, costs in electricity bill, frequent repairs, repeated
replacements can be reduced .Also increased component life too.
 
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