Graphic Cards Is it worth it to buy 9070xt now?

[YeAhx]

Try Optiscaler and use XESS with DLSS inputs on AMD 6000 or 7000 series card, then compare it with FSR3.1 implementation in the same game. I have a 6700XT and on Alanwake2 and Cyberpunk, you can clearly see just how much better even XESS looks when compared to FSR3.1/3.0.
FSR4 is way closer to DLSS but the support drop for old generation is sad.

I tried Optiscaler briefly but decided to use the native implementation of DLSS of the game I was playing. For no particular reason btw, I just didn't notice much difference maybe I didn't apply correct settings. Might give it a try next time I play a game that has it.

DLSS4 upscaling works on RTX 20 series, not to forget any game with DLSS 3 support can be upgraded to DLSS4 via the Nvidia software (so no need of intervention from game devs).

Sure FSR4 works on FSR3.1 supported games as well but still, there are just a very small % of gamers with GPUs that can use FSR4. This alone is the biggest con of FSR4 & will impact adoption. Anyways, let's see how it goes.

What's worse is that unlike NVIDIA who can use their market domination as a way to push DLSS4 frame gen, AMD doesn't have the same benefit for FSR4's frame gen. FSR4's adoption will 100% be impacted. (I just realised I typed the same thing just worded differently lol)

 

[gtx10606gig]

Will stock levels for the non-XT (or the XT) be good enough by August? Given that the non-XT's price hasn't reduced all that much since launch due to low supply, I don't really think supply will improve. Also, would the XT variant reduce to about 68k within that time?

You could say I could go for the XT variant, which is decreasing in price (some models are available for ₹71k) but I'm afraid it'll be a bottleneck for a R5 7600. (Based on this)

 

[YeAhx]

Will stock levels for the non-XT (or the XT) be good enough by August? Given that the non-XT's price hasn't reduced all that much since launch due to low supply, I don't really think supply will improve. Also, would the XT variant reduce to about 68k within that time?

You could say I could go for the XT variant, which is decreasing in price (some models are available for ₹71k) but I'm afraid it'll be a bottleneck for a R5 7600. (Based on this)

They might be, at least for non-XT variant if I have to guess. August is pretty far and non-XT variant isn't as popular as XT. But don't expect the price so drop so soon. Will probably need to wait a year if you want to see prices go down for real. (Unless NVIDIA wakes up and decides to lower their prices or launch another product). Only an insider will truly know.

Ryzen 7600 is perfectly fine with 9070/XT. Of course it might struggle with CPU intensive games as its an entry level processor for 7000 series but overall it's a good fit.

 

[GodfatherToka]

I tried Optiscaler briefly but decided to use the native implementation of DLSS of the game I was playing. For no particular reason btw, I just didn't notice much difference maybe I didn't apply correct settings. Might give it a try next time I play a game that has it.


What's worse is that unlike NVIDIA who can use their market domination as a way to push DLSS4 frame gen, AMD doesn't have the same benefit for FSR4's frame gen. FSR4's adoption will 100% be impacted. (I just realised I typed the same thing just worded differently lol)

the difference is huge, the setup is also stupidly easy

 

[GauravDas]

Managed to snag the Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT from Scl Gaming for 70,690/- a couple days back.

I have seen other 9070 XT models (ASRock / PowerColor) drop down to around this price, but first time seen the Sapphire Pulse model go down so low. Payment was in-full using Credit Card without any processing / shipping charges. Card was shipped in a day and expected to be delivered on Monday.

Will stock levels for the non-XT (or the XT) be good enough by August? Given that the non-XT's price hasn't reduced all that much since launch due to low supply, I don't really think supply will improve. Also, would the XT variant reduce to about 68k within that time?

Rumour is that AMD has stopped shipping the non-XT model to retailers entirely in preparation for the 9070 GRE, so the non-XT's price dropping down is very unliklely. 68K ought to be possible for the XT model in a few months however.

 

[GauravDas]

Seeing the Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT model at 69K on kharidiye.com. Never ordered from here, but a quick search seems to indicate that they are legit. Also seeing slightly lower prices for a couple of 5070 Ti models over at Computech, possibly indicating some downward pressure on prices overall.

For anyone curious I did get my Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT delivered a few days back. Haven't had time to game yet, but the Superposition benchmark puts it a cool 3.5x faster than my old RTX 2060. Temps are excellent and the card was sitting comfortably at 65°C throughout the benchmark even with the summer heat.

 

[ck0]

Seeing the Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT model at 69K on kharidiye.com. Never ordered from here, but a quick search seems to indicate that they are legit. Also seeing slightly lower prices for a couple of 5070 Ti models over at Computech, possibly indicating some downward pressure on prices overall.

For anyone curious I did get my Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT delivered a few days back. Haven't had time to game yet, but the Superposition benchmark puts it a cool 3.5x faster than my old RTX 2060. Temps are excellent and the card was sitting comfortably at 65°C throughout the benchmark even with the summer heat.
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Nahi kharidunga

 

[DEVRAJ BARIA]

Seeing the Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT model at 69K on kharidiye.com. Never ordered from here, but a quick search seems to indicate that they are legit.

No, they are not legit. If they have a offline store than it's okay but not the website. Never.
Buy it from somewhere else.

 

[arrow00007]

No, they are not legit. If they have a offline store than it's okay but not the website. Never.
Buy it from somewhere else.

I think they are legit ,i bought from them 10years(cpu cooler) ago but no I wouldn't recommend them for big things

 

[GodfatherToka]

sounds like a website run by kan Ye

 

[roniistar]

I'm also looking to buy 9070 xt. Prices have fallen from 75k to 70k. Going to hold on a bit more and then pull the trigger.

Asrock 9070 xt models are 70k now. I'm confused whether to buy the xt or the non-xt model. Non-xt model is very efficient, consuming around 100watt less for around 10% less performance. xt is just around 5-6k more expensive.

 

[Tracer_Bullet]

Asrock 9070 xt models are 70k now. I'm confused whether to buy the xt or the non-xt model. Non-xt model is very efficient, consuming around 100watt less for around 10% less performance. xt is just around 5-6k more expensive.

For the same power, xt will probably be faster or for the same perf it should take slightly lower power.
You should be able to set power limits and undervolt to make xt just as ( and probably slightly more ) efficient.

Take xt over non xt all things being equal.
Logically, it might also have better components rated for high power usage but this will depend on model.

 

[roniistar]

For the same power, xt will probably be faster or for the same perf it should take slightly lower power.
You should be able to set power limits and undervolt to make xt just as ( and probably slightly more ) efficient.

Take xt over non xt all things being equal.
Logically, it might also have better components rated for high power usage but this will depend on model.

You are right. Possibility of xt using better components skipped my mind. Do you think the asrock steel legend models are better than the sapphire pulse models?

 

[Tracer_Bullet]

You are right. Possibility of xt using better components skipped my mind. Do you think the asrock steel legend models are better than the sapphire pulse models?

No idea, i am not following any of this.
Its not just potentially better components to support higher power, it also has more cores.

So at the same power, say at 9070 power limits, 9070xt will probably be slightly faster and quite efficient.
And at same performance, it will probably take slightly less power.
9070 is efficient because it has lower power limits, lower clocks. The last bit of performance always takes much more power and so efficiency reduces.

Without power limits, 9070 can also become inefficient but faster.
Look at this guy stretch it to limit with risky mods.

 

[gtx10606gig]

Wait, so you should undervolt the 9070XT to get a similar consumption as the 9070? Or cap the power draw of the GPU at 220W for this?

 

[Tracer_Bullet]

Wait, so you should undervolt the 9070XT to get a similar consumption as the 9070? Or cap the power draw of the GPU at 220W for this?

Setting power limit should do, but undervoting gives you better performance at same power limit. So do that too. 9070 can do that too obviously.

I run my 3080 at 70-75% power limit most of the time. I don't lose too much perf through undervolting. Obviously we can undervolt at high PL too but in 3080 atleast it doesnt scale that well so there isn't that much to gain. So i use higher limits only when i need it.

Google search gives this, someone with similar idea.

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1605988-considering-buying-a-9070-xt-and-underclocking-to-9070-levels/

 

[GauravDas]

Really appreciate all the references to undervolting in this thread. I was able to get ~5% performance boost with a -50mV offset and some VRAM tuning (2800MHz, fast timing) in the Adrenalin software.

This is stable across both Superposition and the Steel Nomad benchmarks.

Wait, so you should undervolt the 9070XT to get a similar consumption as the 9070? Or cap the power draw of the GPU at 220W for this?

For what it's worth, my Total Board Power (TBP) remains at 304W with a -50mV offset. A lower voltage offset does reduce TBP, but it wasn't stable on my card. I also messed around a bit with power limits, and had seen TBP at 240W with around -20% power limit. This was fully stable, with around 5-6% performance reduction on Superposition.

Do not that this is the TBP reported on HWiNFO. I don't really have the ability to measure wall power, but this might still be useful.

 

[el_diablo]

This is stable across both Superposition and the Steel Nomad benchmarks.

Also try running some games on max RT settings to check stability. I was able to pass through all the benchmarking tests but the observed crashes when I cranked up everything to ultra using RT on Witcher 3.

 

[GauravDas]

Also try running some games on max RT settings to check stability. I was able to pass through all the benchmarking tests but the observed crashes when I cranked up everything to ultra using RT on Witcher 3.

Gotcha, will do a run through Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 over the weekend. I did have a run through Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition and an indie game called Blacktail (with Optiscaler) and encountered no stability issues.

 

[GauravDas]

I had to bump down VRAM clocks from 2800 MHz to 2700 MHz. Oddly enough everything was stable on Cyberpunk and Witcher 3, but I encountered screen corruption on Metro Exodus and Marvel's Midnight Suns.

I have also been messing around and benchmarking with Optiscaler, and have to say, it is an amazing piece of software. You can use it to switch between XESS, FSR 2/3/4, and also allow frame generation on 9070 XT with a couple of ways.
Here's some settings I got working using Optiscaler with different games:

• Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition: DLSS → XESS + no FG (FSR4 causes artifacting, OptiFG doesn't work)
• Blacktail: DLSS → FSR4 + OptiFG + Reflex (works flawlessly)
• Horizon Zero Dawn (non-remastered): DLSS → FSR4 + no FG (OptiFG causes judder)
• Marvel's Midnight Suns: DLSS → FSR4 + DLSS FG + Reflex
• Witcher 3 (next gen): DLSS → FSR4 + DLSS FG + Reflex
• Cyberpunk 2077: FSR3→ FSR4 + DLSS FG + Reflex
• Deep Rock Galctic: FSR2 -> FSR4 + Reflex (didn't try OptiFG as frame rate is already high)

Also been playing around with reducing total board power primarily because of concerns with memory temps, which is 90 °C constantly and sees peaks of 93 °C. A flat TBP reduction of -30% sees much more reasonable peak memory temps of 86 °C. Suprisingly a -30% board power reduction showed just ~7% reduction in performance in Horizon and ~13% in Cyperpunk.

I am thinking of permanently running with -30% TBP, which would be great for indian summers. Will try some additional performance tuning and see how much performance I can claw back.
Well that didn't take long. Here's updated tuned settings for my Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT:

• Total Board Power: Stock → -30%
• GPU Voltage Offset: -50 mV → -70 mV
• VRAM Clock Speed: 2700 MHz (unchanged)
• VRAM Memory Timing: Fast (unchanged)

Cyberpunk and Metro Exodus both see performance drop to around 92.5% of previous optimized settings, while Horizon sees a drop to around 95%. Compared to stock clocks, I ought to be getting around 95% of the performance which is very impressive considering the massive power and heat reduction.

That said TechPowerUp says the 9070 (non-XT) has 90% of the performance of a stock 9070 XT. If you have power or cooling constraints, then I would definitely recommend to be on the lookout for good deals on a 9070. I see an ASRock model listed for 63K on Vishal Perhiperals which seems quite good value to me.