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RU vs UA war is fully depending on drones, to say otherwise will be merely wishful thinking and disingenuous towards oneself:

No it's just attacking hype spread by clueless fanboys.

From Ukraine to Myanmar, Drone Warfare Marks a Paradigm Shift

From Ukraine to Myanmar, Drone Warfare Marks a Paradigm Shift | Geopolitical Monitor

The Myanmar civil war and Ukraine war are serving as laboratories for the testing and development of drone warfare.

www.geopoliticalmonitor.com

See what he says

On September 10, Ukrainian forces launched the largest drone attack of the war to date, targeting Moscow with 144 drones. The assault resulted in 20 drones being shot down, while several multi-story residential buildings near Moscow were set ablaze. Flights from Russia’s most important airports were temporarily suspended. In response, Russia launched a retaliatory strike using 46 drones.

Set ablaze? Temporary suspension of flights. Is that all. In comparison to an artillery barrage this is laughable in terms of damage. More like a nuisance.

The strikes from both sides highlight a now indisputable fact: drone warfare is playing a determining role in the Ukraine war.

What determining role? Nothing in this article backs up that assertion.

Does it help you take and hold territory? No. That's is what artillery along with an infantry does. That is what decisive, gamechanging or determining role means.

Use in Burma is fledgling and not meaningful at all.

Ukrainians are supposed to be using drones for close air support. Not mentioned in this article that seems more interested in numbers. A role that would typically be done by attack aircraft of various kinds.

So, are the Ukrainians going to be taking over Russian territory or winning back lost territory anytime soon? Nah

But every article written in the west wants you to believe that.

What determining role then does this dumbass author whose background & experience I am unable to determine mean?

Ukraine thrown into war's bleak future as drones open new battlefront

Ukraine thrown into war's bleak future as drones open new front

On the front line, drones are killing hundreds every day - showing the world a new kind of high-tech war.

www.bbc.com

This bit

Almost none of this technology was here in Ukraine a year ago; now it is commonplace. Drones, which were once peripheral to the war, are a central component for both sides, alongside infantry and artillery as Ukraine struggles to hold back Russian advances.

Trying to make an equivalence here between drones and infantry/artillery? Lol

A more charitable interpretation would be drones are being used more now than a year ago. Close air support as I mentioned but drones have only a fraction of the attacking power as attack aircraft. Against small groups of people this can be effective but is useless against larger formations. Which is where the word decisive means something.

To hit deep inside Russia, Ukraine has built its own drones

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/20/nx-s1-5065480/ukraine-war-drones-russia

Optic Fiber controlled FPV drones are ruling the war front now by avoiding remote / radio signal corruption, quite a development brought out by RU is this war.

All these western agencies exaggerate any tiny thing the Ukrainians do to the point you think the Russians will be defeated tomorrow

Few Indian companies are very much into building drones for defense use now, stock prices of such companies skyrocketed recent months due to expected support and requirement from Indian govt.

See this

Surveillance or against small groups of terrorists. Yeah?

 

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All these western agencies exaggerate any tiny thing the Ukrainians do to the point you think the Russians will be defeated tomorrow

Russians started using Optic fiber remote controlled drones, it is massively successful.
For last few months, hundreds of videos from these drones and others are available on internet. You can see tanks and heavy artillery getting stupendously damaged from drone attacks. Don't know where you get your sources from.
Don't know how this war is going to end, but for now Russia have huge upper-hand, only time will say how war strategies will work out in future.
To sideline role of drones in this war and future ones will be massive mistake, the drone videos I see are showing a frightening perspective.

 

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Russians started using Optic fiber remote controlled drones, it is massively successful.

If you watched the video above you would know what they are called and the obvious downsides.

For last few months, hundreds of videos from these drones and others are available on internet. You can see tanks and heavy artillery getting stupendously damaged from drone attacks. Don't know where you get your sources from.

Those are propaganda videos with no context but to tell you either one side or the other is losing. They could have been hit with any number of shoulder fired anti tank weapons. Why only attribute the damage to drones.

Didn't Hamas do this at the start? The workaround was a metal roof over the bulldozers and the drone attack was foiled.

Don't know how this war is going to end, but for now Russia have huge upper-hand, only time will say how war strategies will work out in future.

You got that right

To sideline role of drones in this war and future ones will be massive mistake, the drone videos I see are showing a frightening perspective.

Just put them in the right box. Drones have their uses. Pros and cons. But making them the star if the party means some agenda is being pushed isn't it.

Ukraine has not lost because the next series of game changing tech called drones has just arrived. Every previous entrant in the game changing category failed to live up to the name.

Did they do damage?yes
Kill Russians? Yes

But all put unable to alter the balance on the battlefield.

Keeps Ukraine in the fight? Yes

That is what these drones accomplish

 

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Those are propaganda videos with no context but to tell you either one side or the other is losing.

The context is well explainable from the videos, well guided Russian drones (for eg., Lancets, new versions of cheaper ones, etc.) simply ripping off tank turrets, exploding fuel tanks, cooking insides, etc. Now all tanks are protected with metal web covering, rubber sheets, special materials, whatnot. Still causing serious damage. Other handheld kinds eerily entering buildings, attacking soldiers, etc. giving it a frightening dystopian sci-fi image. Seems you need some reassessment about this, I'll prefer not to post on this further because I feel there is some serious misunderstanding of what is going on.
btw, Hamas is not even an army but a gang of rouges compared to well known defense seller nation state Russia. Drone technology Russia uses is miles ahead.

 

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The context is well explainable from the videos, well guided Russian drones (for eg., Lancets, new versions of cheaper ones, etc.) simply ripping off tank turrets, exploding fuel tanks, cooking insides, etc. Now all tanks are protected with metal web covering, rubber sheets, special materials, whatnot. Still causing serious damage. Seems you need some reassessment about this, I'll prefer not to post on this further because I feel there is some serious misunderstanding of what is going on.

Well there's any number of critiques as to how the Russians have deployed their tanks in this war.

Drone damage is only a limited component in that critique.

The site putting out photos of damaged Russian tanks early into the conflict was determined to be som euro intel agency spreading misinformation

 

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Well there's any number of critiques as to how the Russians have deployed their tanks in this war.

Drones came into picture later to that fiasco, also different topic.
Also, the joke out there that best kept western tanks are now in Russian city displays is for a reason (drones played a role).

Drone damage is only a limited component in that critique.

Don't think regular work of drones like this 'limited', rather it's integral part: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...-a-mig-29-for-a-ballistic-missile-to-destroy/
General Petraeus: Use of drones transforms role of humans in Russia’s war in Ukraine: https://www.ukrainianworldcongress....rms-role-of-humans-in-russias-war-in-ukraine/
Russia to use AI to bolster Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drones: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/...o-bolster-iranian-shahed-136-kamikaze-drones/
Future of military robotics: Russia, NATO, and China's impact: https://news.az/news/-future-of-military-robotics-russia-nato-and-china-s-impact-interview
Ukraine war: Russia launches drone strike on Kyiv - as commander 'sacked for lying about war progress' (Russia has used more than 800 guided aerial bombs and around 460 attack drones in the past week.): https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...sacked-over-lying-about-war-progress-13259841

Using optic fiber controlled UAVs gives clear color images, there are tons of those videos which are self explanatory.

 

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Drones came into picture later to that fiasco, also different topic.
Also, the joke out there that best kept western tanks are now in Russian city displays is for a reason (drones played a role).

Point being people are thinking tanks are obsolete whose time is over? Complete nonsense.

Don't think regular work of drones like this 'limited', rather it's integral part: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...-a-mig-29-for-a-ballistic-missile-to-destroy/

Limited use. Only for surveillance. Iskanders did the rest. This is likely how the Indian military will be using drones. Surveillance & snooping.

General Petraeus: Use of drones transforms role of humans in Russia’s war in Ukraine: https://www.ukrainianworldcongress....rms-role-of-humans-in-russias-war-in-ukraine/

Not viewable on my IP

Russia to use AI to bolster Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drones: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/...o-bolster-iranian-shahed-136-kamikaze-drones/

Future development. Come back when they deploy these AI drones.

Future of military robotics: Russia, NATO, and China's impact: https://news.az/news/-future-of-military-robotics-russia-nato-and-china-s-impact-interview

He says

Drones and UAVs in this conflict play a critical role at the tactical, operational, and strategic levels, performing key tasks such as intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, target tracking and acquisition, one-way attacks, logistics, and communications missions. It is simply impossible to discuss or analyze this conflict without mentioning the pivotal role drones play. Russia is heavily investing in various drone capabilities.

That drones are used in all of those roles is without doubt. Question is this word 'critical'. Why use it?

However, the use of drones is increasingly met with countermeasures designed to neutralize UAVs or significantly reduce their combat effectiveness.

Exactly what the Israelis have shown. They use drones when needed in niche areas. They resort to airpower when required. One is not a substitute for the other.

So drones are peripheral or mostly in a supporting role for the IDF. Surveillance, logistics, the odd strike on a car or house here or there.

Therefore drones don't perform any critical role for the IDF.

Bear in mind the over reliance on drones is specific to Ru Ukr theater because the Russians are saving their airforce for a rainy day. And the Ukrainians don't have much of an airforce to speak of. So they rely on drones to achieve limited goals that their airforce would achieve more effectively and faster.

Azerbaijan /Armenia don't have an airforce worth much either. So yeah if you come from a country that has no airforce or cannot use it then drones are critical for your operations.

In other theaters where airforce won't be restrained the use of drones will be much smaller. Like for Israel. This what most people including yourself are missing.

I cannot imagine a scenario where India is unable to use its airforce against the Paks or the PLA. It would be interesting to imagine because that would be of great interest to the adversaries. How to prevent it happening and should it happen say in some limited way then what are the workarounds?

The IAF can dominate either PLA-AF or PAF maybe even simultaneously if at full strength. So preventing that would be a goal for the other side. If at all possible. I cannot see how.

This, in turn, has spurred major advancements in counter-countermeasures, including the development of fiber-optic-controlled drones and UAVs equipped with target tracking, terminal

I've already mentioned the down side of fiber optic control. Yes it prevents jamming but that comes with a tradeoff. Usable upto a point.

Ukraine war: Russia launches drone strike on Kyiv - as commander 'sacked for lying about war progress' (Russia has used more than 800 guided aerial bombs and around 460 attack drones in the past week.): https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...sacked-over-lying-about-war-progress-13259841

The 'guided aerial bombs' bit attracted more interest among the top brass here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770886058898812990

Using optic fiber controlled UAVs gives clear color images, there are tons of those videos which are self explanatory.

And the limitations of optic fiber controlled drones are?

Great for surveillance. Not knocking that.

 

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And the limitations of optic fiber controlled drones are?

Are for short distance tactical attack, not for long distance.

Critical because opponents surrendering to drones more now because of how tactically those are used.

Powerful attacks from close range at heavily critical defense equipment is why drones are considered critical. Also helps focused attacks, sometime making equipment salvageable for the attacking force.
Every defense equipment is critical in given context, depends on how efficiently it's used.

The fact that India is spending billions and countries world over is hurrying to get their hands on this tech say something.
btw, UA started AI enabled drones earlier than RU.

 

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Operation Desert Storm, the combat phase of the Gulf War, began with an extensive aerial bombing campaign by the air forces of the coalition against targets in Iraq and Iraqi-occupied Kuwait from 17 January 1991 to 23 February 1991. Spearheaded by the United States, the coalition flew over 100,000 sorties, dropping 88,500 tons of bombs, widely destroying military and civilian infrastructure.

^that's what a proper airforce with air superiority can unleash. They averaged 1,000 - 1,200 sorties a day. This was with the tech of the day over thirty years ago.

When you have domination nobody resorts to small measures.

Getting Nasrallah required eighty 1,000 lb bunker busters. Drones can't deliver that in the way attack jets do.

The best thing about jets is reusability. They return, refuel, take on new weapons and are ready to go again. Rafale's have a very good turn around rate here.

Drones are mostly one time use if they are for an attacking swarm. Kamikaze. You need to produce these at some fantastic rate to be of use and make a difference on the battlefield.

The other thing to keep in mind is what drives up the cost of attack manned platforms is the tech. Software and electronics.

Gen 6 as Japan is working on are drones with the electronics package you can expect in previous generations and accompanying AI. They won't be cheap so the expectation is they will be reusable. And I bet will be special use case only.

Not general purpose like today's jets.

Pros and cons

 

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Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire begins after year of conflict

Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire comes into effect

Attacks by both sides were recorded until shortly before fighting stopped at 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT).

www.bbc.com

 

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Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire begins after year of conflict

Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire comes into effect

Attacks by both sides were recorded until shortly before fighting stopped at 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT).

www.bbc.com

So good to hear this.
What a relief it may be for People ...old age and children and women and everyone stuck between this war.

 

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Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire begins after year of conflict

Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire comes into effect

Attacks by both sides were recorded until shortly before fighting stopped at 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT).

www.bbc.com

This came as a surprise and a disappointment. I had advocated for unrelenting pressure on all adversaries until Jan 20.

Seems GoI thinks differently

A snap poll for Israeli TV showed 37% of Israelis in favour of the ceasefire, 32% against and 31% saying they didn't know.

Leave out the 'don't knows' and you can see it has split the country in half. People see it as a betrayal. You sacrificed lives of the soldiers in Lebanon for this?

Some dodgy deal that has no reason to work like in the past. Also in the PM's clip the BBC removed the part where Bibi addresses a key grievance.

How ro resume the fight if terms are not met? Saying we will go back like bbc paraphrases isn't enough.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861478819141689841

So no way will this ever be a permanent ceasefire. And to make things more interesting. Interpret this as Bibi setting a trap

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861491809383522750

 

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Israel taking rest before Trump gives go ahead to flatten rest of gaza and turn it into a trump golf course.

 

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Israel taking rest before Trump gives go ahead to flatten rest of gaza and turn it into a trump golf course.

Also, a chance to stock pile weapons and renew strategies.

 

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Israel taking rest before Trump gives go ahead to flatten rest of gaza and turn it into a trump golf course.

By taking a break from Lebanon they can fully concentrate on Gaza now. Second, Hamas no longer has the simultaneous support of Hezbollah.

This is what the PM meant with separating the two adversaries ie isolating Hamas. It's subtle but it's a point

Presuming hezbollah sticks to their end of the deal which they won't. Hezbollah will try repeated minor violations. Like you tell a child not to enter the kitchen and they come to the entrance and put one foot in. Then it becomes two feet in. All manner of tricks possible here. Nothing big enough that would compel Israel to re-enter Lebanon or so they think.

Also, a chance to stock pile weapons and renew strategies.

Stockpile exactly what they want and get it without any delays or arm twisting.

Ben Shapiro expands more on the thinking here which isn't obvious

https://twitter.com/x/status/1861677757899403580

 

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Elon weighed in on the drone vs manned jet argument recently

Saying a drone can replace an F35 is like saying a car can replace a train or truck. Or a jackhammer can be replaced by a hammer. Phrased like that its easy to see the fallacy.

Goes into more detail why Elon is mistaken

 

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We should make an Elon Says thread. Every day there's some stupidity coming out of his tweets or xhits non stop.

 

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Why do people keep missing that drone technology moving way ahead at much faster rate .
Even span of such a short time it has now becoming a major tool of war.

Solar energy will make drones keep flying for days forget about hours ( imagine constant survey in the air with deadly accurate missiles the moment enemy shows up.

Even people comparing it to F-35 is enough to say how far it has come.

Yes it still cannot replace F-35 but not too far now. When this technology will be at forefront.

 

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We should make an Elon Says thread. Every day there's some stupidity coming out of his tweets or xhits non stop.

honestly I would be down bad for this thread, was thinking of making one because of some members and another for trump/republicans in general, but figured that would probably be pushing it/getting banned after my last few posts lol

 

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Edit: @solo_wing Drones can be countered with wide range frequency spamming. Like ddos attack on frequency range on which drone talks with base station. Drones can be hijacked to return to the home base etc. Drones are not the end all. It's just another tool.