Market Feedback Issue with member uziel

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thanks Shantanu & Vercetti and no-problem m-jeri :-)

I had requested the seller to take back the product before starting this thread .

I had also given him this thread's link in draft stage itself . I assumed again that

he would oblige by returning the money . sadly no sign of it from him :( he was

found reading this thread this morning and later sent me earlier quoted message

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Withholding information cannot be punished-for since we believe in caveat emptor. However misleading the buyer is an offense for sure. Let the seller clarify. If he is able to defend his position then fine, otherwise we will have to append his name in the blacklist thread.
 
Looks like a clear case of intentional deceit. The seller knew everything, but deliberately misled the buyer into buying it. The buyer is responsible for checking out all the details before buying, but remember that this is an OEM product and official reviews will be rare. Information about such products can be got only from Dell itself or from the buyers, the seller being assumed to be a reliable source in this case.

I don't think the seller is obligated to return the money since at the end of the day its up to the buyer to verify the details of the product from a reliable source (although its a pity that the seller decided to take advantage in such a manner). However I think the seller should be at least blacklisted/banned from the market section so no one else gets into such a predicament. Simple Neg feedback makes no difference in such cases.
 
@ Renegade & @ Lord Nemesis

caveat emptor may not apply here as the product reference link was incorrect in the deal ...

and the deal took place in India !!!
 
^^ I just had a look at the sale thread and with the way the seller has presented it, I think you are also entitled to a refund.

The seller provided a link to the retail product on the Aver Media site and not to a OEM product on the Dell site. Its not mentioned anywhere in the sale thread that its different from the retail product nor any limitations listed. If a potential buyer performs his pre purchase research based on that link, then he will assume there would be no limitations/restrictions.

Simply put the buyer was expecting a product as described in the retail Aver media link and if the product he got is not as described in the link, then either the seller provide him the correct product or refund his money. I think the buyer is definitely entitled to a refund in this case.
 
Its a pity that these type of cases are increasing too much in TE.

Please do a through research before placing any order.

Though the thread starter should get the refund.but he too made a mistake.
He researched about it after purchasing the product.
 
I doubt the seller will give any satisfactory reply. This seems to be a clear case of cheating. The very fact that he chose to reply to the seller via PM rather than post in this thread shows this.

I certainly would not want to deal with such a person and IMO the seller should be banned from further threads or better from TE altogether.
 
quan chi said:
Please do a through a research before placing any order.

Though the thread starter should get the refund.but he too made a mistake.

He researched about it after purchasing the product.
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Do note that the seller had deceit on his mind right from the start when he created the thread. He linked to the retail product instead of the OEM one and he never mentioned anything about the restrictions. How can a buyer infer knowledge about the restrictions based on a retail link.
 
btw it just struck me.... buyer mentioned seller's profile having things like tech support engineer for 10 years etc etc... Some ppl said that what ppl write might not be true but I think it is.. Looking at the PMs etc I might not be able to make out his hardware expertise but by the smooth way he found his way around OP's queries and managed to deceive him, I can surely say he has 10 years of tech support expertise :P
 
Thanks @ Lord Nemesis & BF1983 . @ Shantanu , I hope your view is correct ...

@ quan chi , to err is human and I am just a human being - not an expert :-)
 
If the seller is reading this, then he should be ashamed at what he pulled off here, I think TechEnclave is a very respected community and as such will take stern action against the seller. why are such people so greedy, what will he accomplish by such small amounts?

I am amazed that the seller was reading this thread and didn't try to post here, if there was one iota of truth in him then he would have tried to defend himself here.

but I am remembering one old sayng on India.

" Take ki haandi jali, par uski aukaat pata lag gayi "
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Do note that the seller had deceit on his mind right from the start when he created the thread. He linked to the retail product instead of the OEM one and he never mentioned anything about the restrictions. How can a buyer infer knowledge about the restrictions based on a retail link.
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yep you are absolutely right.but here only the suspicion should arise.Anyways i also agree that the seller cheated him by providing him with false product details.

seshu said:
@ quan chi , to err is human and I am just a human being - not an expert :-)
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well it seems you didnt get me.
anyways i am not blaming you.What i meant was what you have researched now had you done a bit of it before the purchase. you could have been easily saved.

you do deserve your money back but from his replies it seems he is strongly opposing you for any refund.
hope mods can help by banning him from te so that he cant do the same with other members.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
However I think the seller should be at least blacklisted/banned from the market section so no one else gets into such a predicament. Simple Neg feedback makes no difference in such cases.
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There's no point in banning or blacklisting him. That would simply append the list with a random user ID. He can very well choose to register again on the forums and start selling again - this is the very loophole of the present system.
 
He seems to be reading this right now but doesnt want to post or reply? I dont think he is interested in returning your money.
Wait for another day and if he still doesnt respond post his complate details like full name, email ID, bank acc number bank name.
We can atleast blacklist him.
 
sad to see such things happening on TE........
It is a community & here we trust each other.........

@uziel , if you have some self respect , refund the money to seshu..... & leave TE,
We don't want liars in a community like TE.
 
btw, a suggestion.... in the blacklist thread, along with the user id, we should also post the real names, phone numbers and possibly bank acct numbers (or if we cant because of personal reasons, though we should not be caring about these scum, then atleast the last 4 digits of the acct number along with bank name, branch should be enough)..

This would be much better in protecting TE from the cheaters re-registering under a new name
 
Sandy said:
He seems to be reading this right now but doesnt want to post or reply? I dont think he is interested in returning your money.

Wait for another day and if he still doesnt respond post his complate details like full name, email ID, bank acc number bank name.

We can atleast blacklist him.
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Does the TE black list have bank account numbers mentioned in it. That is a channel which cannot be changed on the whim. As The Desecrator, mentioned banning a user ID here has not much affect. Re registration can be easily done. To avoid people using bank accounts of others as the money route it should be a general rule, that in the 'members' market 'account name ' be visible and fixed, which can be used as the unique identifier, and cross reference to the TE black list. Only on moderator level should this Bank account name be possible. This process might help filter out defects right at the beginning.

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Shantanu is on the same line as me. Did not see his post, while typing mine. Guess both wrote it same time..!
 
shantanugoel said:
btw, a suggestion.... in the blacklist thread, along with the user id, we should also post the real names, phone numbers and possibly bank acct numbers (or if we cant because of personal reasons, though we should not be caring about these scum, then atleast the last 4 digits of the acct number along with bank name, branch should be enough)..

This would be much better in protecting TE from the cheaters re-registering under a new name
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It is one thing to suggest it and another to implement it. This has been suggested before and accepted by us. We have posted publicly to send us the details so it can be appended. If the member does not PM us then it cant be done. See this one post wonderboy's thread. http://www.techenclave.com/1255456-post97.html

We never got the details.

seshu said:
@ Renegade & @ Lord Nemesis

caveat emptor may not apply here as the product reference link was incorrect in the deal ...

and the deal took place in India !!!
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Let me repeat so you can understand it this time. Withholding information cannot be punished-for since we believe in caveat emptor. This is a general statement for all deals on TE. Withholding does not amount to actively concealing.

And how does it matter if the deal took place in India? What are you trying to imply here?
 
I can't say much about this, but if you think you want to buy something nexst time spend 100-200 bucks extra and take it to Ebay, you can always file a dispute get your money back.
 
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