Market Feedback Issue with member uziel

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Let members interested in trade furnish some kinda id proof. with picture maybe..?

Or

The members shd provide link to social website and some other really reputed member verify that. Somebody who has conducted a deal in person. That way the reputed person can assure TE that the social website person is the same (doesnt imply that the verifying member is taking the responsibility of the trade by the person).

Once it did happened with that Ankush arora case when we forced him to pay up when it was suggested that effected member make a screenshot/detailed info abt of his frnds like Name, location, office address etc from orkut.

So that even if he deletes the a/c u can bring him to his knees and thats what exactly happened.

We can then think of blacklisting with photo id.

i think this social website pic proof verified by reputed person should serve TE well.

we all are dealing on a social platform and this way we keep things simple and yet avoid chances of fraudulent selling.

(fear of humiliation amongst real life friends looms large on everybody's mind.)

EDIT:

TE Stands United Thread: http://www.techenclave.com/general-talk/techenclave-indian-technology-community-need-all-89947.html

The Effect: http://www.techenclave.com/general-talk/wanna-thank-everyone-92515.html
 
Desecrator said:
^Rather than completely closing it down, I'd suggest implementing the older post count rule to gain entry into the market to post sale threads or even make the sale threads visible to them. Spam can still be countered (just employ a bunch of support staff to help keep the sections clean) but not market frauds which happen between the seller and buyer.
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Renegade said:
Nevertheless as Aces has mentioned in a separate discussion we probably need to reintroduce the cooling off period of 15-30 days. Post count restriction is not good for the forum as it increases spam.
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Not sure how implementing the post count restriction or checking older post count work in this case here or the raheelshadab case. Bcoz if you check the members involved in the trade here, they are at least a year old in TE with a decent number of posts.

So imo, post count restriction wont solve a case like this but maybe restrict the registration-for-sale-purpose member.
 
I agree with what bikey has said. I remember how Anuj ( MH ) once sent me brand new ram without me even paying for it. I was just talking to him on the phone a few days earlier and told him how I was thinking of buying new ram for my laptop.
I was surprised when I received the package. He didn't even quote any price and told me to pay what I thought was fine.
It is this level of mutual trust ( He trusted me to pay and I trusted him to have sent a correct product ) that I loved about TE.
Sadly, it is all gone now. New members here are just looking for quick profits. They treat other members as professional dealers and even if you do a GO they make DEMANDS.

@Blackbird : Adopting a policy will make no difference. A fraud will simply not honor such a policy and there is nothing TE can do about it. IMHO it is time for the buyers and sellers both to be sure about the person they are dealing with. Talk to common friends, members dealt with in the past and then make an informed decision. Don't expect much from TE admins as they are not really in a position to do much except ban ip/account.

Is it not possible to change the way market works. People with less than 100 posts/5 itrader ratings/6 months old should not be allowed to post without mod approval. In such cases, if enough old members vouch for a new member then no intermediary should be made compulsory otherwise for such sales ebay should be made mandatory.

Just my 2cents to add a bit of security
 
Precisely what I wanted to say. The disputes that have been raised are mostly against members with high post count and forum age in months. Dont suggest blanket solutions which are not supported by facts and figures.
 
^^ +1

Lets not get back to the high post count /forum age debate again as with previous market dispute threads coz this case just establishes that it wont prevent a market sale issue.

Another thing. This linkage with orkut/facebook account for trading is a bad idea as I for one would like to keep my personal and forum profiles seperate.

Whats next? We all use real names and addresses for registering to TE?
 
IMHO better solution would be the buyer pays to TE and if there are buyer is satisfied with the product then TE will transfer to Seller.
 
TECH HUNTER said:
IMHO better solution would be the buyer pays to TE and if there are buyer is satisfied with the product then TE will transfer to Seller.
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Err, do you even realize what you are suggesting here??

On second thought, why not we relaunch TE as a competitor to Paypal/Ebay?

/Sarcasm
 
^^ but the bigger advantage in this system is,if any one doing an intentional fraud sale will be afraid that his money would be held up.

so he will try to be transparent with his trade.

Where many useless numerous rules failed,i hope this system will work better.

That is the reason why pay-pal and paisapay are renowned as trusted and safe.

And the people like Uziel or the one who cheated me will dare not to ignore such grievance.
 
Few months back I picked up a graphics card from uziel's place. He didn't strike me as a particularly warm individual but the product is still working fine :P

@OP: I may have uziel's real name,address and cell no. stored in some old file. PM me if you need it.
 
Renegade said:
Then why not use ebay and paisapay instead of TE?
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I think thats a great idea. Post the damn thing on ebay, and post a link here. Thataway, we can let ebay take care of the dirty work - money issues & conflicts.

TE just serves as a place to put up notice that we are selling stuff.

I really do think we are spending way too much time policing market, time which we could have spent productively elsewhere!
 
Renegade said:
Then why not use ebay and paisapay instead of TE?
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That's not the answer.
If that is the answer,then why buying and selling here?
I am just talking about the system.There is nothing wrong if we implement a fair practice.
A practice that will save the buyer,makes the deals pleasant and builds reputation.

Instead of that we are regularly adding bunch of rules and making a lengthy list which we are not finding any results.
Instead thinking of closing the market section itself spoiling the purpose for which it has been started.

Finally you are the rule makers and it's up to you.
just 2cents for my love.
 
@Greenhorn , Not a bad idea .Infact henceforth while dealing with newbies or unknown people I might request them to list item on ebay only. Even if it means paying a little extra ..Lot of times the coupons can make it a better deal as well.Best part is security.
 
TECH HUNTER said:
That's not the answer.

If that is the answer,then why buying and selling here?

I am just talking about the system.There is nothing wrong if we implement a fair practice.

A practice that will save the buyer,makes the deals pleasant and builds reputation.

Instead of that we are regularly adding bunch of rules and making a lengthy list which we are not finding any results.

Instead thinking of closing the market section itself spoiling the purpose for which it has been started.

Finally you are the rule makers and it's up to you.

just 2cents for my love.
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TE is not an e-com site. Its a community and discussion forum for tech savy people and the market section was created much later as a convenience for a close knit community whose members can trust one another and no one is dishonorable enough to break that trust.

Making a Paypal or eBay out of the system defeats the entire purpose. If people cannot trust one another anymore, then the market section is better off gone. Whats the point of keeping it when its not serving its intended purpose.

Furthermore, what you say is not even possible. Paypal and ebay pay hire and pay people to maintain their services 24/7. TE is managed by a bunch of volunteers and they do it out of their own time and money. They have their own private lives to take care of. Who the heck do you think is going to manage the payments and receipts for all the deals happening 24/7 on TE and whose going to settle the disputes that arise in that system as well?

If you want the superior services/protection offered by a commercial e-com site, then by all means use that.
 
TECH HUNTER said:
That's not the answer.
If that is the answer,then why buying and selling here?
I am just talking about the system.There is nothing wrong if we implement a fair practice.
A practice that will save the buyer,makes the deals pleasant and builds reputation.

Instead of that we are regularly adding bunch of rules and making a lengthy list which we are not finding any results.
Instead thinking of closing the market section itself spoiling the purpose for which it has been started.

Finally you are the rule makers and it's up to you.
just 2cents for my love.
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That is the only answer I agree with right now. How about giving your own personal solution to accountability instead of shooting down valid possible solutions by saying, "I dunno but that is not the right answer" :no:? Why is it so unpalatable to use e-bay to buy/sell? AFAIK, both ends would be well protected and we would be free of all these financial disputes which are anyway out of place on a supposedly tech forum.

The e-bay way or restrict market access to older members (min posts+min duration of membership). Don't everybody jump in with meaningless posts like "that is not an answer" unless you do have the correct answer. You can't have a open for all shop and expect only honest guys to come in. Older members have invested their time on TE and it won't be convenient for them to just change ID's at the drop of a hat.

In the long run, whatever be TE's rules, we are going to have ppl complaining that they have been cheated on TE. Unless something like the afore-mentioned 2 solutions are implemented or TE becomes a (god forbid) e-commerce site with it's own payment gateway.
 
Renegade said:
Then why not use ebay and paisapay instead of TE?
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I think this is the best proposition. All deals should take place through Ebay. All listings should be private listings. Once the seller and buyer confirm on a price the seller should make a private listing buyer buys. Everything goes fine leave a positive rating.

Something goes wrong, Ebay will refund money and then the seller can be added to the Blacklist at TE.
 
^^...it should be left to buyers and sellers to decide if they want to trade thru ebay...the extra 6% ebay fee doesn't really make sense + if ebay somehow finds that the deal is rigged then the seller's account could be suspended
 
vercetti said:
^^...it should be left to buyers and sellers to decide if they want to trade thru ebay...
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Yup, and TE should be left out of the loop for all deals going bad.
 
Alias said:
Another thing. This linkage with orkut/facebook account for trading is a bad idea as I for one would like to keep my personal and forum profiles seperate.

Whats next? We all use real names and addresses for registering to TE?
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If TE plans to ban/blacklist a person, then Until and unless there is some identification submitted to the TE database, the cloaking action would not hold any meaning.

I too understand the importance of forum profiles Vs Personal life, but until and unless you abridge the gap somewhat, you cannot eliminate the chance of deceit in future.

there was a reason i suggested a workaround involving Online profile and not the details of house no, street, city and Pincode.

I too intended to keep the internet from invading the personal life as little as possible and hence only suggested the angle of verification via reputed member and not public testimonial. Ids need to be proven and shd rest with responsible soul and not every tom dick and harry.

The very fact that you too balked at the idea of making real life stuff coming in between is what makes other ppl shudder as well.. even while conducting online trades :)

That method worked very strongly for a member here and led to concrete grounds for further plan of action.

But anyways, i suggested a tried and tested method, let other mature souls decide about how to bring more transparency here.
 
FaH33m said:
I agree with Bikey , this is getting out of control now. Time to close down market temporarily. :(
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i disagree mate peeps like us who dont have tons of money get the stuff from market section...what ever peeps say market section on TE is a major draw for new members..what i suggest is that we implement a time+post count policy for market section new members can ask old(trusted) members from their respective cities to do trading for them if they need to buy something from the market section
 
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