mayanksahni
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Market Feedback Issue with member uziel
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@mods: This seller has quite a number of open market threads
http://www.techenclave.com/search.php?searchid=2693641
Plz at least close those threads temporarily till the dispute is settled. Otherwise someone else may be duped.
http://www.techenclave.com/search.php?searchid=2693641
Plz at least close those threads temporarily till the dispute is settled. Otherwise someone else may be duped.
Did what we could do. Hope he is still interested in redeeming his reputation. Let me know if it gets sorted out, we can remove the blacklisting then.
http://www.techenclave.com/members-...s-please-check-before-123324.html#post1481559
http://www.techenclave.com/members-...s-please-check-before-123324.html#post1481559
Renegade said:
Renegade,
That takes care of him.
But there are several new members posting in the market section without proper pictures. I have reported this trade but so far nothing has been done.
This is just one of several new trades that do not follow the rules.
http://www.techenclave.com/members-market/ps3-games-sale-165540.html
^^ Please do understand that mods are not online all the time. As and when any of us comes online, we do make sure that all reported posts are attended to.
P.S. to all members: Continue reporting threads in any section which do not conform to our forum rules and guidelines. Your reports will definitely be attended to. Mods cannot do this alone.
P.S. to all members: Continue reporting threads in any section which do not conform to our forum rules and guidelines. Your reports will definitely be attended to. Mods cannot do this alone.
This has been an interesting read. Best ans would be going the ebay way for the new members and posting positive or negative feedback here.
After the buyer has completed a certain number of deals on ebay and certain number of posts here, should he/she be allowed to the haloed chambers of the forums market section to sell.
For the older ones with a considerable amount of post count, you can still carry on with the market like the old times with the trust that you have developed for each other.
So this way you keep fiends out.
The community should not and obviously will not close down the market section as suggested by some members as it will hamper whatever money they are making to keep this forum alive.
Dealer's Paradise Section Rules & Regulations
Just my two cents
Oh Btw I support the buyer in this case. :hap2:
After the buyer has completed a certain number of deals on ebay and certain number of posts here, should he/she be allowed to the haloed chambers of the forums market section to sell.
For the older ones with a considerable amount of post count, you can still carry on with the market like the old times with the trust that you have developed for each other.
So this way you keep fiends out.
The community should not and obviously will not close down the market section as suggested by some members as it will hamper whatever money they are making to keep this forum alive.
Dealer's Paradise Section Rules & Regulations
Just my two cents
Oh Btw I support the buyer in this case. :hap2:
freshseasons1
Contributor
Also there there should be something like IP blocking,so the blacklisted members cannot create new ID's and again dump the unaware buyers.
Shame on seller in this case for doing this to the buyer..
Thanks mods for taking urgent prompt action.:hap2:
Shame on seller in this case for doing this to the buyer..
Thanks mods for taking urgent prompt action.:hap2:
mayanksahni
Explorer
freshseasons1 said:Also there there should be something like IP blocking,so the blacklisted members cannot create new ID's and again dump the unaware buyers.
Shame on seller in this case for doing this to the buyer..
Thanks mods for taking urgent prompt action.:hap2:
But many persons have dynamic ip, so blocking an ip won't be a good solution.
A sincere request to the mods :
Uziel has only one iTrader rating which I gave to him 3 months ago when I picked up a gfx card from his place. Can this rating be deleted please.
IIRC there's a provision in iTrader rules that when A gives a rating to B and B does not rate back A within a month then A can contact the mods to have his rating deleted.
Please consider
Uziel has only one iTrader rating which I gave to him 3 months ago when I picked up a gfx card from his place. Can this rating be deleted please.
IIRC there's a provision in iTrader rules that when A gives a rating to B and B does not rate back A within a month then A can contact the mods to have his rating deleted.
Please consider
I guess because he didn't return it with a rating for the buyer 
@OP: I hope this issue gets sorted out real quick. If he is from gurgaon side maybe i can help you out. Lemme know
@OP: I hope this issue gets sorted out real quick. If he is from gurgaon side maybe i can help you out. Lemme know
Naga said:
If you jump right in the middle of the topic and continue from there, there is no surprise if you feel so.
so i suggest to read from the first.
I have given some suggestion and for that he replied and what you have read from is my 2nd reply.
so it happens if you jump in middle.
Naga said:
I know TE doesn't get a single paisa.
100s of deals take place daily and if these has to be on ebay then eventually eBay business grows.
thats the point.
so don't get in wrong sense.
same,
me too don't get a single paisa for it(suggestion).
but i just dropped a suggestion,felt if it could be of some help.
if you(TE) feel it is useful then its good,if that was not then simply ignore.
instead of that why you simply argue for that.
every one has a right to make some suggestion.
it may/may not be a good one or useful one.
but why simply make some comments on it which hurts.
So i just doesn't want to argue on such things,so i said i will keep away.
so,i kindly request you not to drag me again here.
Desecrator said:^If the deal between you and him went fine, why would you want to delete that rating?
L33TWiZaRd said:I guess because he didn't return it with a rating for the buyer
^ Precisely!
So if there's a provision that entitles me to request the moderating staff for recalling/cancelling my rating to Uziel because I was not rated back for the deal within a certain amount of time (the rule stated one month IIRC).... then i would very much like to exercise that option now
I tried to look for this rule but this link (iTrust Specific Rules -> Ground Rules for iTrade) in the sticky thread (Q & A's for iTrust and TE Market) is returning a page not found error.
I think is only fair that if one gives rating the other should return the favour by doing the same.... And the relevant thread gets locked once this happens.
@OP: Check PM bro...relied to yours
@OP: Check PM bro...relied to yours
It seems that most of the members here think that the solution to the problem with the market section is exclusivity and finding someway to effectively bar some (new, less post count, no iTrader feedback etc etc.) from the market section till they can "prove" their worth, honesty, ethics, whatever have you and this line of action has been discussed multiple times previously as well. I think most of us are forgetting that all these virtues are dynamic and certain situations can force even a legitimate person to do something which might seem unethical at first sight. In those cases, it does not matter how old or new the member or whts his/her post count.
In this issue with uziel, he DID misrepresent the product, wisely ducked all the probing questions of the buyer but he DID mention in one of his PMs that he would be under no obligation to take the product back if it does not work or does not satisfy the buyer in any way. That in itself should send up alarm flags in the mind of the buyer and he has the choice to play safe and not go for it as the seller is new to the market. That is precisely why TE, Ebay, Indiatimes etc. all have Feedback ratings, to give some iota of confidence to the buyer that the seller is reputed and that in case of a dispute, is more likely to work towards a resolution than close up shop or do the vanishing act. A high feedback denotes that the seller has spent considerable amount of time and effort in earning that feedback and would most likely be interested in maintaining his image. That feedback is ideally the trust that everyone here's talking about IMO because we the forum members have given that feedback to the seller.
There are a lot of unanticipated things that can go wrong in a deal even without any malicious intent on anybody's part(the case of the torn/missing warranty sticker is one example) and its ideally upto the buyer and the seller to work it out in a forum like TE. And this can happen to anyone even after ones best efforts to do a clean deal. Things go wrong during shipping all the time. Mostly, the buyer crimps on shipping insurance and then rues that the seller did no pack it properly if the item arrives damaged even when the seller has made every rational effort of packing it well and shipping it thru reputed people. Who is at fault in this case? A problem could even arrive due to a simple case of miscommunication. Are we now to even police how people interpret things?
We have all kinds of members here on the forum just like there are all kinds of people in the world around us. We have some wonderful people who'll give away their unused stuff for free just cuz they were gonna throw them in the trash anyway and then there are people who are going to try and extract some money out of you just because you have some use for their trash and then there are those who like to profit off the gullibility/ignorance/situation of certain members.
I think the only solution to this apparent "fraud" problem is for both buyers and sellers to be careful while dealing with each other and try and have everything cleared out before the deal itself. There can be no other safeguard. If this does not suit someone or if it is too much risk, there are always other options to shop, online and offline, and then one can always consider going for a new product that comes with a warranty and complete peace of mind. But then, you might not get the phenomenal deals one can get on TE.
Lastly, TE is not Utopia or the Garden of Eden where everyone is doodh ka dhula and straight as a stick when it comes to commercial deals. It can never be and we should try and not spend our energies in hoping to make it one cuz its not possible. People can ship you RAMs and PSUs in good faith but no one is going to ship you their TFTs or LCDs no matter how well you know each other online. Things should be in perspective.
In this issue with uziel, he DID misrepresent the product, wisely ducked all the probing questions of the buyer but he DID mention in one of his PMs that he would be under no obligation to take the product back if it does not work or does not satisfy the buyer in any way. That in itself should send up alarm flags in the mind of the buyer and he has the choice to play safe and not go for it as the seller is new to the market. That is precisely why TE, Ebay, Indiatimes etc. all have Feedback ratings, to give some iota of confidence to the buyer that the seller is reputed and that in case of a dispute, is more likely to work towards a resolution than close up shop or do the vanishing act. A high feedback denotes that the seller has spent considerable amount of time and effort in earning that feedback and would most likely be interested in maintaining his image. That feedback is ideally the trust that everyone here's talking about IMO because we the forum members have given that feedback to the seller.
There are a lot of unanticipated things that can go wrong in a deal even without any malicious intent on anybody's part(the case of the torn/missing warranty sticker is one example) and its ideally upto the buyer and the seller to work it out in a forum like TE. And this can happen to anyone even after ones best efforts to do a clean deal. Things go wrong during shipping all the time. Mostly, the buyer crimps on shipping insurance and then rues that the seller did no pack it properly if the item arrives damaged even when the seller has made every rational effort of packing it well and shipping it thru reputed people. Who is at fault in this case? A problem could even arrive due to a simple case of miscommunication. Are we now to even police how people interpret things?
We have all kinds of members here on the forum just like there are all kinds of people in the world around us. We have some wonderful people who'll give away their unused stuff for free just cuz they were gonna throw them in the trash anyway and then there are people who are going to try and extract some money out of you just because you have some use for their trash and then there are those who like to profit off the gullibility/ignorance/situation of certain members.
I think the only solution to this apparent "fraud" problem is for both buyers and sellers to be careful while dealing with each other and try and have everything cleared out before the deal itself. There can be no other safeguard. If this does not suit someone or if it is too much risk, there are always other options to shop, online and offline, and then one can always consider going for a new product that comes with a warranty and complete peace of mind. But then, you might not get the phenomenal deals one can get on TE.
Lastly, TE is not Utopia or the Garden of Eden where everyone is doodh ka dhula and straight as a stick when it comes to commercial deals. It can never be and we should try and not spend our energies in hoping to make it one cuz its not possible. People can ship you RAMs and PSUs in good faith but no one is going to ship you their TFTs or LCDs no matter how well you know each other online. Things should be in perspective.
seshu said:
Dude, I think its just interpretation. To me that statement signals that he is not willing to give any testing warranty of any sort and I would have either clarified on it or backed out.
But you know, the way this deal transpired, I don't think he would have taken it back even if he would have said that there's a testing warranty. I think his intent was to have you figure it out how to use it or chepo it to someone else.
mayanksahni
Explorer
ankxxs said:
Yup, and also mods have banned him, so its a request to mods to allow him to post in this thread so that this mess can be cleared out.
According to my thinking, it would be better to solve an issue rather than banning an ID.
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