It is that time, that we stop buying Chinese products?

[tech.monk]

Those who wish to donate to army can donate here 100% tax except

and what happened to PM CARES

People will donate for the sake of our country - no doubt in it, after all, its for the Army which is doing its job on the border and because of that we are getting sound sleep at home.

3 casualties where the first to die, it was Suresh Babu the Comanding officer and his escorts. They went with bamboo sticks to see and make sure the Chinese stick to their end of the bargain. You can read it in the below link, such sad event but our army still fought. If you read the chinese have such poor ethics and non gentlemanlt operating procedure which includess stabbing in the back literally as part of their standard operating procedure..

There is an article on Intelligence and local input post doklam only about the intrusion why 56" is silent on that; of course, you can blame previous govts for Infra but what we did since 2014 for the same region - we have Doval at the disposal of 56" or is it just for a show only.

 

[rdst_1]

And make anything and every single problem as due to modi, which is not.

The rot in our system runs much before and political parties irrespective of the current or the former ones, it starts down from local elected persons, to the government PSU employees and freebie expecting people. All draining the tax payers money.

You are right about the deep rot. But Modi did market himself as the 'Messiah' who, if elected, will get rid of it for us. Yes, we are the fools for believing that he would deliver on his promise and hence the showing of displeasure against him. It doesn't help either that he went and campaigned for local state elections as well and everyone believed they were voting for Modi and hence the reason he is the target when anything goes wrong anywhere.
Personally, I believe that the country is many times worse than we were before Modi. Maybe these fronts like freedom of speech, justice and accountability don't matter to majority of the Indian public anymore, but I know it matters to you.
The issue is, you seem like a practical person and have made peace with the way things are going but some of us want the govt to do much much better than they are. I know, this idealist version is complete BS and it would be better for me to concede defeat and get on with the program, but I just can't find it in me to do that right now.

 

[adder]

and what happened to PM CARES

People will donate for the sake of our country - no doubt in it, after all, its for the Army which is doing its job on the border and because of that we are getting sound sleep at home.


There is an article on Intelligence and local input post doklam only about the intrusion why 56" is silent on that; of course, you can blame previous govts for Infra but what we did since 2014 for the same region - we have Doval at the disposal of 56" or is it just for a show only.

Must resist, must resist orange man bad, must resist, must resist PM bad.

You can ask the PM to divert the PM care funds to our miltary, may be we can use CAA protestors and ask them to sit in PP-14 area come winter our troops can take a break, I mean they where all jobless sitting there for weeks doing protest, for a change the silent majority or the person cursing them for the various traffic jams, virtually every citizen will support them, oh wait they are also commies too, darn it.

On a serious note, since 2017 we got a taste of what the chinese intent was which is why the road works was going in a very fast pace and this can be done every year only in the summers, which is not a easy task. We have thousands of kms of the border with them, phsically its impossible for any army in world to man it 24/7 which includes the chinese at sub zero temperatures.

The finger 4 to 8 because they can be accessed by boats and are out in the open, it is not of that important compared to the PP--14 area where out DBO road goes, So we have priorities.

Arm chair warriors can talk about all the intelligence they want, but a person who is going to do attack has the element of surprise by choosing the place and time. The chinese where doing military drills in tibet area and they quickly started to move some of those troops and personal to those various posts. Our satellites which we don't have that many will have to keep a close eye on the paks as well as the chinese from arunachel pradesh to ladakh and if they move the troops during night its impossible to know, we have zero satellites with thermal. Only the US military has that many satellties with thermal capabilities and the russians with a more outdated versions.

In winter no one his manning those posts on eastern side of India the chinese also don't. We still man the western border because paks did the kargil.

In april come summer we saw the activity and we where monitoring them. But unless they actually cross the LAC we can't do much, which they finally did in early may. Because of their superior infrastructure they can move quickly.

This all the military side, on the diplomatic side we did have informal meetings with Xi, we and even the Russians hopped for a improving ties, the common man thought that since we buy so many chinese goods, it would be foolish for them to attack india. But Xi has quickly made himself the facto power till his death and his true intentions has been revelaed now, his goal was to reunify all chinese claimed lands by 2020 which includes ladakh, taiwan, South china sea, these buggers are patrolling afghanistan, such is their lust for land.

In africa and other countries their belt road is nothing but a land grab because of loan default. According to foreign press own words there only thorn was India with a nationalist government, they won all the border disputes with most countries without firing a shot by intimidation, it didn't work with USSR, where they got ass handed to one. Now they are challenging india.

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

You are right about the deep rot. But Modi did market himself as the 'Messiah' who, if elected, will get rid of it for us. Yes, we are the fools for believing that he would deliver on his promise and hence the showing of displeasure against him. It doesn't help either that he went and campaigned for local state elections as well and everyone believed they were voting for Modi and hence the reason he is the target when anything goes wrong anywhere.
Personally, I believe that the country is many times worse than we were before Modi. Maybe these fronts like freedom of speech, justice and accountability don't matter to majority of the Indian public anymore, but I know it matters to you.
The issue is, you seem like a practical person and have made peace with the way things are going but some of us want the govt to do much much better than they are. I know, this idealist version is complete BS and it would be better for me to concede defeat and get on with the program, but I just can't find it in me to do that right now.

Obama market himself too, trump said he would pull back troops, yet they are now stealing syrian oil and want to do a regime change in Iran, which is not why the voters voted him for but it was still is agenda. Every politician promises a lot of things.
I voted for the AAP in my state, they lost badly. The other options I had where all crooks whose sons and daughter drives in 1cr plus cars openly. I had seen former CM, ministers come to my building when they weren't CM in late night to a super rich tenant who has large coffee estate but you can take a guess why they came past mid night in a flagship model Lexus. I saw the then sitting CM come to my neighbours house and that very house was shown in news for a income tax raid, I didn't even know until I saw the news and when I peek over from my roof, my neigbour had the window frame and window taken out from the second floor, some damning documents may have escaped the window., So I have seen the rot first hand. That very neighbor used to intimidate and flaunt building rules because of his connections. I would love to name him but this is a public forum and I do not want my address to be known.

In the central government side my main criteria was a government with tough stand on terrorism and border. The stopping of the rot I knew I would never see it my lifetime, it was literally choosing best of the worst.

 

[tech.monk]

You can ask the PM to divert the PM care funds to our miltary, may be we can use CAA protestors and ask them to sit in PP-14 area come winter our troops can take a break, I mean they where all jobless sitting there for weeks doing protest, for a change the silent majority or the person cursing them for the various traffic jams, virtually every citizen will support them, oh wait they are also commies too, darn it.

I'm not communicating for the CAA protestors but this is not the bad idea they should be given the option to sit in the PP-14 area instead of Shaheen Bag if you and RSS guys go on both the front (China and Pak) and also ask your beloved leader to divert funds for the sake of Army. I will also like to see what you and other IT-cell slaves do for those CAA protestors.

They did benefit using OROP too, by saying that they implemented OROP (and still retired Army men not happy, don't know what jumlas given to them)

since 2017 we got a taste of what the chinese intent was which is why the road works was going in a very fast pace

Why wait till 2017 - your beloved leader got elected in May 2014 and not 2017. Jumla for another jumla - carry on I'm enjoying all the reasoning given by IT-cell slaves

we have zero satellites with thermal

Yeah and even the satellites which have been affected by Clouds - like the one your beloved leader mention of, that could block radars

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

may be we can use CAA protestors

On this, also would like to mention what Trump did for Huawei, can your beloved 56" do the same - if this can be done then every CAA protestor will be requested by the tax-paying middle class (as you mentioned the loonies group on this forum could at least set up the change.org petition and convey the message). Let's see if 56" can block companies like Huawei (I will suggest you an option to do this on Mann ki Baat as your beloved leader did it).

 

[adder]

I'm not communicating for the CAA protestors but this is not the bad idea they should be given the option to sit in the PP-14 area instead of Shaheen Bag if you and RSS guys go on both the front (China and Pak) and also ask your beloved leader to divert funds for the sake of Army. I will also like to see what you and other IT-cell slaves do for those CAA protestors.

They did benefit using OROP too, by saying that they implemented OROP (and still retired Army men not happy, don't know what jumlas given to them)


Why wait till 2017 - your beloved leader got elected in May 2014 and not 2017. Jumla for another jumla - carry on I'm enjoying all the reasoning given by IT-cell slaves



Yeah and even the satellites which have been affected by Clouds - like the one your beloved leader mention of, that could block radars

I see you agenda now, you are accusing me of being IT cell slave, assume what you please. I will assume you are left wing zombie loony because you posts here in this threads rots of only modi. Its shame the Army has to die for such people.
You have zero contributions here other then troll political motivated posts, must be on the payroll from the chinese owned parties here in india. The fact that you mention your leader, is he not your PM.

My posts are all overwhelmingly in tech section.

Looks like I will finally get to use the ignore function.

 

[maj0r]

Well, do you think skilled labor is born directly from his mothers womb? Nope! They need to be trained and molded. If these tech giants shift their base here obviously they will trains, mold and skill such workers....isnt it?

Not sure about mothers womb but my point is simple: quality of education sucks here and an average student wastes this time with no practical exposure. So, he passes out to little to no practical exposure unlike other parts of the world. Now with reference to skill, yes its not something that be pounded on the first day. Btw, my example was in relation to hardware manufacturing - Chip/boards etc. I mean do you think an average college grad has any practical idea on what these components are or even what to do with them? Again, I am not talking about IIT and exceptional students. I am talking about the a average engineering student in India.

Its obvious Rome wasn't built in a day and so these things doesn't happen overnight, it takes time and real time..years to establish, build and operate on full capacity.

Wasnt all this time needed for build our own base? In your calcualation, when do you think we going to operate in full capacity?

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

Read this chat log then you will know why our soldiers die - Freenode #india

- I have huge respect for the Indian army and what happened to the army personal is bad.

A bit off topic but I am curious about your your deal with Freenode and why do you keep bringing up freenode stuff here?

I mean werent you the one who created some fight in freenode india and posted it here in techenclave asking forum members to join your mess?
Ref: https://techenclave.com/community/t...ust-login-and-stand-by-freenode-india.192083/

I am starting to wonder if you have some hidden political agenda or if you are associated with some political party.

 

[John4321]

First Indian government should ban all these Indian companies which have Chinese stake in them and are sharing our information with the Chinese government. They know each and every move that India is taking by spying on the information through these company databases and their computers

The companies which have major Chinese investments include Big Basket, Byju's, Delhivery, Dream 11, Flipkart, Hike, MakeMyTrip, Ola, Oyo, Paytm, Paytm Mall, PolicyBazzar, Quikr, Rivigo, Snapdeal, Swiggy, Uddan, Zomato are some where Chinese companies hold major stake.

We are paying China $70 billion. So just stopping a 438 Indian rupees railway contract and removing them wont do much damage. How much % it is 438 crore Rs out of $70billion. Hardly anything for China. They wont even care. But if we stop the above companies from doing businesses in India and cancelling their licenses that would hit the Chinese firm a little bit not completely but little bit. Stop these Indian companies access their services all over entire India and seize all their official equipment's.
===============================
Also Indian blackhat team should give a tough response to the Chinese team as they think India is good for nothing. Now the Indian blackhat team and whitehat team should join hands together and show them what India is and who the real indians are now and hit them very hard as now the Chinese are doing this https://www.livemint.com/news/india...t-of-chinese-cyberattacks-11592589128323.html

 

[red dragon]

^^ I was also curious about the freenode chats and his hatred for Slavic people.
What did the Slavic people do to India in the current scenario is beyond me.
IT cell is a reality, I've seen it working very efficiently @ twitter. There are plenty of reasons to loose all faith in Modi ( for me it was loss of faith that became hatred)
I will never believe he doesn't know/ pay for IT cell.
He is just as arrogant as his rabid fan base. Of course people who do not believe in his ideology anymore will go offensive in social media postings to counter the caustic IT cell posts.
I don't know how much personal experience you have with them, but they truly have wide reach ( they could access my emails to Dr.Bhargava and vice versa, they could steal old photos from my wife's iCloud!!) But the end of the day, they are mostly idiots, so they can't do any real damage.
I'm 43, and do remember the previous governments and their failures.they also got criticised heavily, but most of the time they didn't send a bunch of rabid dogs after your family for asking questions.

 

[rdst_1]

In the central government side my main criteria was a government with tough stand on terrorism and border. The stopping of the rot I knew I would never see it my lifetime, it was literally choosing best of the worst.

So you agree that you are a practical guy and have conceded defeat on this front. Then why get aggrieved when a bunch of foolish idealists like me would still like to believe that we still have hope of finding someone who will actually want to destroy corruption. I can never trust Modi again on anything because he didn't deliver on his promises on which he asked votes for. So when something big like this happens, I am unable to believe him being capable of making the right decisions because he is an immoral corrupt person who is more worried about his image and agendas than the greater good of the public. You might be right that everyone out there is like him, but 2 wrongs don't make a right.

The easiest way to bridge our export deficit with China was to supply them with beef and pork. Currently China is one of the biggest importers of beef and pork. They also had a law (I am not sure whether the law still stands or has been changed) which meant that they would only import live animal and not slaughtered meat. So India being their closest neighbour could have easily become their biggest supplier. Currently they import live animals, in ships, from all across the world. Now tell me, isn't this a huge missed opportunity. India currently exports beef but doesn't all export/import of live animals. Beef in China is a 60 billion dollar industry alone.

 

[nimod]

First Indian government should ban all these Indian companies which have Chinese stake in them and are sharing our information with the Chinese government. They know each and every move that India is taking by spying on the information through these company databases and their computers

The companies which have major Chinese investments include Big Basket, Byju's, Delhivery, Dream 11, Flipkart, Hike, MakeMyTrip, Ola, Oyo, Paytm, Paytm Mall, PolicyBazzar, Quikr, Rivigo, Snapdeal, Swiggy, Uddan, Zomato are some where Chinese companies hold major stake.

We are paying China $70 billion. So just stopping a 438 Indian rupees railway contract and removing them wont do much damage. How much % it is 438 crore Rs out of $70billion. Hardly anything for China. They wont even care. But if we stop the above companies from doing businesses in India and cancelling their licenses that would hit the Chinese firm a little bit not completely but little bit. Stop these Indian companies access their services all over entire India and seize all their official equipment's.
===============================
Also Indian blackhat team should give a tough response to the Chinese team as they think India is good for nothing. Now the Indian blackhat team and whitehat team should join hands together and show them what India is and who the real indians are now and hit them very hard as now the Chinese are doing this https://www.livemint.com/news/india...t-of-chinese-cyberattacks-11592589128323.html

Please convince these VIVO lovers also:

BCCI confirms IPL will retain VIVO as title sponsors amidst India-China standoff- Republic World

The Indian Premier League 2020 (IPL 2020) season continues to stay indefinitely postponed amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. However, recent reports attain positive news for IPL fans as the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) are considering to stage the tournament sometime later...

m.republicworld.com

 

[tech.monk]

You have zero contributions here

Message me; I will share with you the contributions I did - not just canceled any Xiaomi product and posted here for the sake of mention. Also, who the people are helped/shared knowledge with - I don't want to post it here just to get someone's sympathy. BTW correcting someone's path who either got misled or somehow gone in the other direction is also a kind of contribution.

The fact that you mention your leader, is he not your PM.

Cause he ignores the states and their CMs (see what he did to Kejriwal, Thackrey, and Mamta didi), it's like disowning the team member by Captain, and you still expect us to call him a PM.

Its shame the Army has to die for such people.

Why your beloved leader is not asking the public for Mombatti and Thali now to encourage the Army or even have flowers garlanded for them.

Also adding it to the threat levels we have - China is putting pressure on our country to stay away from South China Sea dispute (https://www.orfonline.org/research/...ina-sea-and-the-implications-for-india-66049/ and another one which is posted very recently - https://indianexpress.com/article/o...an-countries-relations-vijay-gokhale-6460680/) - which IT-cell slaves might not share with you - once you start seeing from the other perspectives too, you will come to know who are loonies and who are slaves - its the same thing I said earlier too - retrospect yourself before you call someone loonies or something else.

To me, you're the same as another troll we have dealt with; when you had no arguments - you started asking questions on personal integrity, whereas you have the same mindset of those who belong to IT-cell slaves.

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

Looks like I will finally get to use the ignore function.

You gave us the right idea - this way you and another troll we have on this forum - for them, we can add you to the ignore list and post that you will have a playground to play on and nobody is going to ask anything (as you're being ignored), which will also have another plus point - you don't have to write something and later mark/mention it as delete.

At last, you posted something beneficial for all of us. Thank you.

 

[skoka123]

Minority appeasement included all minorities, regardless of religion. Congress never spread hatred like bjp is doing today. - Yes but only if you consider Hindu SC/ST as minorities. Otherwise it was limited to Muslims and Christians and I have no major problem with it except that they have taken it too far and did a great disservice to the nation with the Shah Bano case. Similarly they did great disservice to the artistic expression when they banned the Da Vinci Code because some fringe Christian elements objected to it. Now when some Karni Sena objects to Padvamati we are all appalled. Two wrongs don't make it right.
Did cong demolish any place of worship? - PV Narasimha Rao govt let kar sevaks demolish Babri Masjid. Yes you can blame RSS for that but it is the then central govt which let it happen and should take responsibility for it. Did not Mrs. Gandhi let desecrate / demolish Golden Temple?
Did cong kill anyone for following a particular religion? - 1984, congress workers killed thousands of Sikhs after Mrs. Gandhi's assasination.
Did Cong file cases against one particular religion only? - I guess you have no idea about the cases forged against the Sangh during emergency. Do you know Congress govt banned RSS?
No.
So no, again the word appeasement is wrong usage here.

I have no strong political or religious leanings. I stand for Uniform Civil Code but not the way this govt seems to implement it.

 

[adder]

So you agree that you are a practical guy and have conceded defeat on this front. Then why get aggrieved when a bunch of foolish idealists like me would still like to believe that we still have hope of finding someone who will actually want to destroy corruption. I can never trust Modi again on anything because he didn't deliver on his promises on which he asked votes for. So when something big like this happens, I am unable to believe him being capable of making the right decisions because he is an immoral corrupt person who is more worried about his image and agendas than the greater good of the public. You might be right that everyone out there is like him, but 2 wrongs don't make a right.

The easiest way to bridge our export deficit with China was to supply them with beef and pork. Currently China is one of the biggest importers of beef and pork. They also had a law (I am not sure whether the law still stands or has been changed) which meant that they would only import live animal and not slaughtered meat. So India being their closest neighbour could have easily become their biggest supplier. Currently they import live animals, in ships, from all across the world. Now tell me, isn't this a huge missed opportunity. India currently exports beef but doesn't all export/import of live animals. Beef in China is a 60 billion dollar industry alone.

I never said I gave up, but I don't expect a change in my life time. You can only hope the next will be better between him and Rahul, its not even close. With congess and CCP with some sort of pact on consultations. Who knows what would have happened if he was the PM instead. We didn't do much when mumbai was bleeding.

That said, If Modi does concede Indian land to the enemies. Then no one including the armed forces would vote for him again.
But he his currently with the mandate to protect our borders like every other PM but with more emphasis on border security, which is why many voted for him. My vote would have gone to other camp, if it was not for the events in 26 feb, you can go look back at my posts.

I always kept him accountable for the economy please go see my previous posts. Nor do I like the reports of his lavish spending on his designer clothes or his frequent trips, his diplomacy policy of personal bond with china has clearly failed.

Things like article 370 and CAA on the other hand are in the nations interest, not one here could come with a valid point as to why its not.

Disallowing chinese firms to taking over Indian firms are in nations interest. Its in nations intrest to stop giving them 60 plus billion dollares each years, they probably use the same money for building their J20 jets.

As said earlier I have relatives and in laws who have served this nation during past wars with permanent disability and currently on Active duty on the front risking their lives for the nation, they feel the BJP is better for national security. I take national security way more important, then me trying to increase my bank account with cheaper chinse goods.

Now the chinese have planned this, todays reports say that they are close to the LAC in depsang plains or have already crossed it. This is more serious then other incursions since it will cut off the access to our northern most airstrip.
This is where strong leaders will matter, If modi fails here. No patriot In India will vote for him again, neither will I. But at the same time if India does somethig in haste, without building up our ammo and fighting potentially a two front war, with third front on every citizen due to the chinese virus.

As far as exporting live animals, you are asking the wrong person mate, I am more of Animal loving guy. The only person in my house who stopped eating Non- veg.

My issue is that even when our military is getting killed and India's sovereignty is at stake many here only are trying to score political points. Which many here have pointed out.

We are dealing with a enemy with vastly superior military equipment and economic might.

Chinese and Pakis forums are filled with how they want to destabilize india, make it into smaller countries. They do have warfare personal dedicated to causing hate in india from the comfort of their chair. I suspect we are already seeing the results.

 

[rdst_1]

I always kept him accountable for the economy please go see my previous posts. Nor do I like the reports of his lavish spending on his designer clothes or his frequent trips, his diplomacy policy of personal bond with china has clearly failed.
.

You don't have to explain this to me. I know that you are not a right winger or a left winger and I doubt anyone else over here is either unless their posts are completely illogical. I don't like giving people titles like 'Bhakts' or 'Chamchas' which unfortunately most people do online these days.
It's a very simple logic that you are seeing from people like me on this forum when we criticize Modi. We just don't have any trust left in the guy or either BJP. With all the fake news propaganda being spread by everyone, I hold them responsible for letting things worsen. So now, when you see us questioning anything and everything the govt does, it'a due to their own lies that they have been spreading for the last few years. I am not saying anyone else is not doing it. But as the party in power, they could have easily made very strict laws against fake news,but they didn't as it benefits them. So now, I can't believe a word they say unless I can see a proof vetted by many different sources.
Even during this lockdown they are violating our constitutional rights by fast-tracking so many projects which call for so much environmental damage without the proper environmental surveys being conducted. I mean, the environmental minister is supposed to protect and nourish the environment, not just pass projects left, right and centre.
There was a time in Indian politics when we had leaders who would resign just because a single train accident occured and just a few decades later we have these despicable humans in power who only care about money and power and our public is just blind to see the reality or just defeated and want to go with the flow instead of raising their voices against every small injustice they face on the hands of public servants.

 

[adder]

You don't have to explain this to me. I know that you are not a right winger or a left winger and I doubt anyone else over here is either unless their posts are completely illogical. I don't like giving people titles like 'Bhakts' or 'Chamchas' which unfortunately most people do online these days.
It's a very simple logic that you are seeing from people like me on this forum when we criticize Modi. We just don't have any trust left in the guy or either BJP. With all the fake news propaganda being spread by everyone, I hold them responsible for letting things worsen. So now, when you see us questioning anything and everything the govt does, it'a due to their own lies that they have been spreading for the last few years. I am not saying anyone else is not doing it. But as the party in power, .........

I agree with most of your points. This is directed at others then you. Even though I don't follow much of politics, I know how he treated some of the CMs in the south, the only CM I know of is Chandra babu naidu, who was pleading for funds after the split of AP state, tax raids etc. Yet when I think about, the split was made to happen by the congress and bjp all for their political gain. So in every election its just choosing the best of the worst depending on the criteria. Mine was defense. Now the current government in AP wants wants to undo what the previous government did.

I never said anyone not to question his policy but do with merits, simply just bashing or suppressing other views points isn't going anywhere but low, if one doesn't agree with their view point they are labeled one of those words, or ask the thread starter itself to leave the thread ( not this thread). How is this different from bullying , how is this different from what china is doing, they can build all the infrastructure they want in their side of LAC but the moment we do it own ours they oppose it and worse still attempt to occupy it. Similarly here the moment some one disagree with their post they are labeled. I rarely call some one something, I am forced to sink to their low.

If one is being honest to themselves, you all must have seen some posts in this thread and others where modi name is brought up in virtually every post with little relevance, in their sheer hatred for Modi, you can have any sane conversation here with them. If a person has voted for the other party they are labeled all such names.

Collectively the country suffers, in return our armed forces suffer, they loose the morale if they are such venom's are in India, taking india down internally. Just go hear some of the veterans or their parents pain when they see such venom on social media.

Now people talk about IT cell, I have no accounts in twitter/facebook or insta or what ever is the current trend. I hear from @red dragon that he was being targeted in twitter, while I do not know the details, nevertheless its nothing but online cyberbullying and I sympathize with him. But how is it any different from bullying here in this very forum.

Our media doesn't even have the decency to give the family of martyrs time to mourn, they shove a camera in their face and ask for their reaction.

Look at USA, democrats goal is to resist. Trump still doesn't have all of his cabinet members approved. They wasted millions of money on a sham of Russian investigation, Tied trump hands for a friendly relationship with russia, in turn drove Russia into the Chinese camp. Which will now force India into the US camp which is against our non aligned movement and the US is no saint either.

I do not care for trumps internal policies but is foreign policy matters. But you can see how much damage the left wing has done looting, taking over cities, asking for de funding the police. Imagine what would happen if that happens in India, which already has piss poor police ratio vs population. Shops would be emptied. business will suffer.

The chinese and pakistani warfare includes causing india instability internally to break india apart, their forums are filled with scenes of joy when there is a riot or protest and the prospect of a two front war with india. Trolls pretending as Indians have also started their attack via online social media, spewing hate. They want a government which bows down to them via intemidation or terrorists attacks. The enemies ultimate goal is to split india up into various smaller countries.

 

[red dragon]

@adder, I'm just like you mate with no online presence, except few dedicated medicine and music related forums.
Even stopped visiting TE for years. Was busy with work/ life/ music at weekends.
I went to India for a vacation in 2019, where my wife almost got molested and we spent 2 weeks practically locked inside a hotel room and shared the experience here in TE. Someone told me to post it in Twitter, which I did ( made a twitter account long back and never really used it) since I tagged Czech embassy in India in that post, it got noticed and I started getting threatening messages there.
Went back home and things became normal and forgot about it.
Now Corona came to Europe and one of my friends in India asked me of certain technicalities and requested me to post it in Twitter.
My twitter handle became sort of a early Corona information exchange centre ( mostly doctors were following it and I was following them too)
Now all of a sudden India announced lockdown and believe it or not, most of my epidemiology professors in India were truly shocked and we started discussing the true motive behind the lockdown in Twitter. Akash Banerjee, a YouTuber and a former schoolmate of mine was in that discussion and he understood what we were talking about in medical jargons and made a video on it.
Suddenly one day my twitter followers jumped by thousands and people I don't know started retweeting.
Some started trolling and me and my doctor friends trolled them away ( it was very easy as at that point, India was going through a completely chaotic mess in name of planning, using raincoats as PPE, fooling people with mylab kits, weird, impossible ventilator designs etc)
We didn't hold back and gave the trolls what they deserved.
As the Corona situation got worse I was sent to Spain and I didn't have time to check Twitter. After 3/4 days I tried to login to find my account has been closed. For no reason, I got really upset and made another handle using my secondary email id.
This time I did little bit of homework outside of Indian media reports and simply tore apart ICMR's policy ( it was also very easy as their policies at that time were outrageous with ZERO logic and completely against laws of epidemiology) and criticise Modi and health ministry heavily.
Now the IT cell started working hard. They somehow found my real name, my wife's name, our location, even our kid's name.
They somehow stole some pictures of my wife with her ex boyfriend in some beach of Croatia and made up a sleazy story of her extra marital affairs ( they thought she's an American and accused me of being an anti national, who used taxpayers money for higher education in India and became an US spy)
Now these 3/4 tweets "exposing" us were retweeted few thousand times and was tagged with Lenka's, her sister's and her ex partner's name too.
One fine afternoon she called crying from Prague, I didn't understand what she was talking about till I checked twitter myself.
At this time she was recovering from covid infection ( acquired in line of duty possibly in Poland) going through severe depression resulting in severe drinking problems ( I was in the worst affected area of Spain, our kid was with her parents.
Please understand, this woman is as qualified as I am, earns as much as I do and has got nothing to do with India ( I was the first Indian she met in life) and almost got molested in Delhi for nothing, few months back.
If this is cyber bullying and happens in TE also, I should unsub immediately.
This is what basically IT cell did to us. We don't even talk/ think about India anymore.
After reporting twitter deleted those posts within an hour and blocked 89 accounts over next couple of days. I deleted all my twitter handles and ended up working for ICMR ( my most abrasive post got me that work) for 8 weeks.

 

[Kaleen Bhaiya]

We need to ask questions as to why this IT cell is allowed to function in the first place? Why are they trying to divide India when you need to be staying united at this critical moment.

@adder I am afraid you will have to get a hang of politics happening in general and more so, over the last 6 years to get a clear idea why there is criticism to modi's policies. Criticism is meant to ensure there is course correction and to consider all the scenarios while implementing policies. Unfortunately, the incumbent government is hell bent on stifling any questions or criticism. And like it or not, Modi is connected with this directly or indirectly. His studied silence when people of marginalised communities, media, minorities, opposition or anyone who questions him are targeted, murdered speaks volumes about his indifferent attitude. I mean, he is the PM of this country. Your one word can stop all this bickering. Resolve your differences through talking and not bulldozing others.

Not even once did he condone killing of innocent people. People need to be punished based on due process of law and not by taking law into one's own hand if any wrong is being committed.(lynching, undermining democracy through political instability among others).

You mentioned in the previous post that BPL, Videocon were manufacturing from China. You need to ask question why so?? Your answer lies in "Inverted Duty Structure", amongst other reasons. Then came Demonitisation, GST which broke the back of the manufacturing sector ultimately leading to imports from China.
Though the stated mission of Demonitisation was to bring back black money, but it was far from truth.. everybody knows the actual reason. People will cooperate with the government if you take them into confidence. But without doing the cost benefit analysis or even introspection for that matter makes a person think twice whether is he genuinely worth his name.

I am sure there must be many like me who were swayed by his appeal during 2014. Because we all felt he could deliver. But the way things turned out seems to suggest this was far from it.

So you need to understand why people criticise his move and not oppose his every move. There is a difference between the two. Also, please stop grouping people as commies when people differ with your view or the government. This was your second instance when you tried to group people as commies.

I could have explained at length how this person is going to be a disaster for India but typing on my mobile is tedious..

Another reason how government systematically tries to sabotage indigenisation in the telecom sector.

DoT's call to ban Chinese equipment use in BSNL and MTNL is a hoax; here's why

Going by the historical track record of DoT, the decision seems more like a knee-jerk reaction which is being taken to join the "ban Chinese" bandwagon

m.businesstoday.in

People will support the government if they govern in "Letter and Spirit", with impartiality, transparency and holding oneself accountable if things go wrong. Else, there will always be criticism.

Peace..

 

[adder]

@red dragon
So sorry you had to go through all those. Didn't see your other thread.

I don't even have a picture of myself in whats app profile like most.

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

Criticism is meant to ensure there is course correction and to consider all the scenarios while implementing policies.

I agree.

And like it or not, Modi is connected with this directly or indirectly. His studied silence when people of marginalised communities, media, minorities, opposition or anyone who questions him are targeted, murdered speaks volumes about his indifferent attitude. I mean, he is the PM of this country. Your one word can stop all this bickering. Resolve your differences through talking and not bulldozing others.

Not even once did he condone killing of innocent people. People need to be punished based on due process of law and not by taking law into one's own hand if any wrong is being committed.(lynching, undermining democracy through political instability among others).

While I don't watch any videos of lynching, a quick google on lynching and modi response does shows results does he does condemn it, not sure about the proportional ratio. Lynching happens everywhere whether because of color,caste, religion or even language. In my state when ever there is Kananda vs tamil riot, irrespective of party in rule, its all crocodile tears or the response by police would be like in movies , cavalry comes after the fight/riot is over.
I can get the thing on how he handles the opposition as said earlier.

You mentioned in the previous post that BPL, Videocon were manufacturing from China. You need to ask question why so?? Your answer lies in "Inverted Duty Structure", amongst other reasons. Then came Demonitisation, GST which broke the back of the manufacturing sector ultimately leading to imports from China.
Though the stated mission of Demonitisation was to bring back black money, but it was far from truth.. everybody knows the actual reason. People will cooperate with the government if you take them into confidence. But without doing the cost benefit analysis or even introspection for that matter makes a person think twice whether is he genuinely worth his name.

I agree demonitsation didn't get the desired results, considering I too stood in Q for the getting notes exchanged. I agree about GST, atleast the slabs seem just as complicated as the earlier vat. People still find innovative ways to dodge GST too. I may or may not have bought a servo stabilizer without GST bill directly paid to personal account of a manufacturer.

BPL, Videocon just rebadge stuff they don't even try. You can say it could be due to inverted duty structure. But lets not forget about corporate greed for more profits, with zero R&D. Look at Hindustan motors there is no excuse for them still selling decades old product that too not even designed by them. Look at tata and mahindra doing much better, without inovation any company will sink.Mahindra/ Reva had a head start in EV but look where it is, on the other hand Tata has made a fine EV it with the Nexon.

I am sure there must be many like me who were swayed by his appeal during 2014. Because we all felt he could deliver. But the way things turned out seems to suggest this was far from it.

My criteria for voting is purely for national security and zero tolerance policy for terrorism from our western neighbors, other may have other criteria.

So you need to understand why people criticise his move and not oppose his every move. There is a difference between the two. Also, please stop grouping people as commies when people differ with your view or the government. This was your second instance when you tried to group people as commies.

Like I said criticize where its due, not at a current policy due to one being let down or pissed due to a previous unrelated policy. Like pissing on CAA due to GST/Demonitization or pissing on article 370 due to GST/denomization etc.

Another reason how government systematically tries to sabotage indigenisation in the telecom sector.

DoT's call to ban Chinese equipment use in BSNL and MTNL is a hoax; here's why

Going by the historical track record of DoT, the decision seems more like a knee-jerk reaction which is being taken to join the "ban Chinese" bandwagon

m.businesstoday.in

People will support the government if they govern in "Letter and Spirit", with impartiality, transparency and holding oneself accountable if things go wrong. Else, there will always be criticism.

Peace..

The govenrment will most likely ban Huawei we where alteady under pressure from USA, even UK is considering to BAN it. Huawei owes me 33k for my kaput Nexus 6p, off course we Indians don't get the share of pie, in the lawsuit.

 

[red dragon]

What is the point of destroying Chinese products after buying them? Saw one video where people destroying/ burning down Chinese televisions, toys etc. They have already paid the Chinese for that stuff!! Are they trying to emulate Gandhi`s Swadeshi movement?
AFAIK the pre-independence movement was essentially a response to colonial policies, what are they doing now?
We didn`t get hooked to Chinese goods in one day, so the recovery must be slow and cautious otherwise there will be severe withdrawal symptoms.
Chinese aggression must be stopped. If China kills Indian soldiers ,India must fight back with fire power. Burning cheap Chinese toys as response to killing soldiers brutally is extremely disrespectful to the brave soldiers. Modi should stop talking and start walking the talk now. If our army chief thinks, they are prepared to take on China, let them do it.
I like Wangchuk, but his wallet for bullet theory possibly won`t work now, as most Indian wallets after lockdown has thinned out a lot. China knows how to use these wallets to their favor.

 

[maj0r]

@adder,

Now the IT cell started working hard. They somehow found my real name, my wife's name, our location, even our kid's name.
They somehow stole some pictures of my wife with her ex boyfriend in some beach of Croatia and made up a sleazy story of her extra marital affairs ( they thought she's an American and accused me of being an anti national, who used taxpayers money for higher education in India and became an US spy)
Now these 3/4 tweets "exposing" us were retweeted few thousand times and was tagged with Lenka's, her sister's and her ex partner's name too.
One fine afternoon she called crying from Prague, I didn't understand what she was talking about till I checked twitter myself.
At this time she was recovering from covid infection ( acquired in line of duty possibly in Poland) going through severe depression resulting in severe drinking problems ( I was in the worst affected area of Spain, our kid was with her parents.
Please understand, this woman is as qualified as I am, earns as much as I do and has got nothing to do with India ( I was the first Indian she met in life) and almost got molested in Delhi for nothing, few months back.
If this is cyber bullying and happens in TE also, I should unsub immediately.
This is what basically IT cell did to us. We don't even talk/ think about India anymore.

Holy shit man! This is messed up. Sorry to hear about that.
When shit like this happens, I tend to think "is it really worth staying here". (Not trying to promote hate). I mean why should some one have to deal with this shit. Digging up personal details and stuff is crossing the line. I strongly believe some sort of backend access/unauthorized use of official databases is being provided to some certain bad people.

@adder,
If this is cyber bullying and happens in TE also, I should unsub immediately.

- If you see cyber bullying/propaganda/political agenda etc, you should report it to the mods. I am not sure how affective it is. I am not sure if there is such a "Report" option here in TE. Maybe mods can confirm.