Video LCD TV ... > 42' Full HD ?

Chaos said:
How are you gonna upscale normal standard definition TV :bleh:. Also if it were just the scaling electronics, why would every LCD on the planet look blurry at anything but their native resolution while the very same Fajourda DCDi on a Plasma looks perfectly crisp and sharp. In simple words any LCD looks absolutely pathetic at anything but its non native resolution. Also any sane person will not use a dvd player but an HTPC.

Again what you own has got nothing to do with what is the best. I hope you never ever get to see a Pioneer Kuro Plasma or else you'd probably feel like kicking yourself.

For a guy so knowledgable about "scaling" you should be able to figure out how to upscale normal standard definition TV, right ;) ?

And son, I've been to a couple of CES's as an invited guest of Runco (look them up to see what they do) so don't lecture me about Kuros and gazillion dollar displays, unless you want to make me yawn. And while having blacker than black is fantastic, the sky won't fall if you accept about 85% of their ability at a fraction of the price. It's called a trade-off.

In the end, the OP wanted a 46" display that will do text too. And there's no way I'd recommend a 720P panel for that, plasma or LCD.
 
tvarad said:
For a guy so knowledgable about "scaling" you should be able to figure out how to upscale normal standard definition TV, right ;) ?

And son, I've been to a couple of CES's as an invited guest of Runco (look them up to see what they do) so don't lecture me about Kuros and gazillion dollar displays, unless you want to make me yawn. And while having blacker than black is fantastic, the sky won't fall if you accept about 85% of their ability at a fraction of the price. It's called a trade-off.

In the end, the OP wanted a 46" display that will do text too. And there's no way I'd recommend a 720P panel for that, plasma or LCD.

Oh really... so our great CES guest gets invited by Runco. Guess what runco makes - plasma TVs and that too with Pioneer panels cos they know what is better and the guest recommends LCDs :rofl:. Kuro is not a gazillion dollar display. As I mentioned the prices are quite reasonable and only a dim wit will purchase an LCD over a Kuro when the performance difference is so in your face.

Go stay happy with your korean junk but don't go spewing around rubbish in the forums.
 
Chaos said:
Did you realize that the motion resolution of an LCD is dramatically lower than a plasma because of blur? It has been proved that the actual viewable resolution of an LCD TV is only a quarter or a third of its spatial resolution. This is basically because the pixels take a finite amount of time in ms to switch from one color to another and in essence lose some of the visual information. Unlike that, changes on plasma panels are almost instantaneous. This has been discussed to death in older threads which I suggest you look up. 100Hz LCDs help in improving this to an extent but even those can't hold a candle to any modern plasma. Also anything other than native resolution will look terrible on an LCD because the scaling engine is terrible. 720P on a plasma will look significantly better than 720P on an LCD.

So before blindly believing the specs, take a look at how HD content actually looks on a different technology.

Also I was referring to RMS power... it is irrelevant. I've seen many 30 watt Class T amps and 10 watt tubes sound significantly better than a 150-200 watt solid state behemoths.
^^ Are you even reading to what the bloke has written before replying. The question was simple is 1080p better than 720p. As per you this is just technical jagran and 720p resolution is as good as 1080p.
Before you jump the gun, I suggest you actually go and view a 1080p content on 1080p LCD and compare it with 720p resolution on 720p TV. The difference on a 47 inch panel is visible for all to see.

Drawing a parallel to an audio doesnt serve any purpose. Its like comparing apples with milk shake:rofl:
 
Chaos said:
Oh really... so our great CES guest gets invited by Runco. Guess what runco makes - plasma TVs and that too with Pioneer panels cos they know what is better and the guest recommends LCDs :rofl:. Kuro is not a gazillion dollar display. As I mentioned the prices are quite reasonable and only a dim wit will purchase an LCD over a Kuro when the performance difference is so in your face.

Go stay happy with your korean junk but don't go spewing around rubbish in the forums.

From Audioholics:

Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits
by Clint DeBoer — last modified March 04, 2008 04:00
Plasma TV is Dead - Pioneer Exits

Plasma TV is DEAD

As we predicted several years ago, plasma technology is on its way out. Putting one of the nails in the lengthy coffin is Pioneer Corp, who is stopping ALL production of plasma display panels. Last week we reported that they had decided to stop all 42-inch panel production, however that has now been expanded to its entire plasma line. This comes via an industry source briefed on the plan and quoted by Reuters in an article released today. Rather than panic, Pioneer shares immediately jumped to a four-month high following the report - up 11.2 percent.

You heard it here first: Plasma TV is dead.

Pioneer is the world's fifth-largest plasma TV manufacturer and has constantly struggled for relevance against the larger Panasonic brand (Matsushita). Now, Pioneer will buy its panels from the competing brand and it will begin picking up LCD panels from... you guessed it - Sharp. This makes three major manufacturers who are backing Sharp panel production in the coming year (inclusive of both Toshiba and Sony Electronics). Our guess is that Sharp is going to be the first to market with the new line of super-thin LCD panels that fans such as myself have been dreaming about for some time.

Investors have long known that Pioneer was bleeding red ink over its plasma division having several years ago decided not to compete in the low-price market. "This is an excellent development," said Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment Management. "Pioneer could have chosen another way and stepped up its plasma investment despite the fact that the business is bleeding red ink, but it's a wise step to decide against that... a quicker decision would have been even better," he said.

This is no easy decision for the Japan-based manufacturer. Pioneer has spent nearly $1 billion (yes, with a 'b') on four plasma TV manufacturing plants and two additional plants it purchased from NEC.

According to the report, a Pioneer spokesman said the company would unveil its display business strategy when it announces company-wide business plans on Friday.

The only thing surprising about this announcement is its timing. Pioneer just last year launched its premier "Project Kuro" line which promised total black levels and was designed to give consumers a no-holds-barred choice for high-end plasma displays. Pioneer had repeatedly stated that the Kuro brand was gaining speed and 2008 would show that Pioneer had captured the high-end market. The problem is that Pioneer, while predicting several hundreds of thousands of plasma TV sales, was up against rival Panasonic who had a planned sales volume of more than 5 million units.

For those concerned, this doesn't mean that Pioneer will exit the plasma business. It simply means that they are, in the interim at least, looking to leave the plasma panel manufacturing business, opting instead to purchase their panels from a company like Matsushita (Panasonic).

As to what this means for plasma as a technology, we believe that, as predicted, this is the beginning of the end. It's longevity depends on a few factors now:

* Marketing and consumer perspective of the technology
* How quickly the new super-thin LCD TVs hit the consumer market (Hitachi is already releasing some)
* The continuation of rapidly-dropping LCD panel prices
* How much Matsushita invests in plasma versus its LCD manufacturing efforts in upcoming years

So there you have it. Plasma has begun its exit from the market as consolidation forces one of the largest proponents of the technology finally exits the manufacturing business and takes on LCD. We're sad to see it go, but it appeared to us at this year's CES that ultra-thin LCDs are going to hit the market much sooner than ultra-thin plasmas. When that happens there is going to be an incredible surge in popularity for the <1-inch thin displays that will push plasma technology further away. The same effect has happened to rear projection television, with manufacturers leaving those markets and technology in droves. Just this year, Sony decided to eschew all screen technologies save LCD and OLED - and it had a large stake in its LCoS-based SXRD line.

The future looks bright. We can't wait to see what happens next.
 
IMO, Unless one is viewing HD content on a larger than 42" display or using it as a computer display, FullHD does not make noticeable difference.

As far as Plasma vs LCD debate:

Personally, I feel Plasmas give better pictures... I myself tried lot of LCDs before settling on Panasonic Viera plasma TV...

Regarding the report:

Currently manufacturing/selling LCDs seem to be more "profitable"... The age-old myths haunt the plasmas till today!

Also if the above report is true its probably because Pioneer is unable to compete with Panansonic plasma sales... surely Pannys wiped the floor in plasma segment...

I dont think in any of the reviews LCDs compete with the best of the Plasmas IQ wise...

The moot point is: At the price they are on offer the Panny Plasma is a very good deal indeed!
 
whether to go for 1080p or 720p depends on your needs. If you want to use it to display text or make presentation then 1080p is the way to go.Don't even consider 720p.

Image quality wise the diff. between them is only marginal.You have to look really carefully to even spot it.This diff. is only noticeable if you use it to watch blu ray or if you have a panel bigger than 52 inches and sit very close to it.So from image quality point of view it doesn't make much sense to invest more money to get a 1080p since the diff. is only marginal.

Coming to lcds vs. plasmas , i belive plasmas offer better black levels and overall better image quality.Also issues like burn in have largely been taken care of.So unless you wanna watch cnbc or cnn (with their scrolling tickers) whole day long , there is no harm in choosing plasmas.Burn-in still occurs(in some newer panels) if you keep the panel on for a long time but then these aren't permanent and go away once you turn the panel off.

Lcds still have scaling issues and even though the newer 100hz lcds don't exhibit any(?) ghosting, 100 hz tech brings problems of it's own.But again these are only minor problems you can easily ignore.Latest gen lcds are quite good (except in scaling) and you would be very happy with them.And since you want to display text, get a 1080p lcd panel(720 plasmas aren't a good choice in this case)

Coming to the song and the philips panels you mentioned--- well Sony 46W400A is a good panel but is frankly way too over priced.just check out sammy's new series 6 lcd panels(LA46A610,etc).they are a better choice than sony's.

philips 47 incher at 1.1 k is a good value for money.But it's an average performer(okay maybe slightly above ave.) don't expect this tv to perform miracles.Just make sure you check it out before you buy it.
 
Thanks smoky....i did checkout the samung series 6 but again minimum its 1.6lk..which is only marginally diff then what sony is....

Though the series 5 lcd of samsung which arrived in April'08 are in very nice price range of 1.10lk... what do you think of them ??
 
OT:
OLED? Is being led by a "Only for really really really really rich people" slogan. The rest of us have to cope with LCD's and Plasma's i guess.
I think the estimate of hitting mainstream is in 2009 or 2010. But i do know that they postponed the predicted "mainstream mania" period.
But they look so sexy.
 
^^thx for that info.

.i did checkout the samung series 6 but again minimum its 1.6lk

Oh didn't realise that!!!

I have seen those series 5 panels in showrooms.But didn't get to tinker with them so can't really say for sure.Anyway why don't you go and check them out yourself.listen if you like the image quality and the price get it. if you want it to display text, then like i said before just make sure it's a 1080p panel.

to test the image quality, just take a dvd(get a movie cont. fast moving action scenes and a lotta dark areas), a hi-def video and maybe even a normal def. video with you.(i usually take my laptop) Also don't go by the default brightness , contrast or other settings, tinker ard.Also ask them if you could dim the light for a moment.(the reason i say this is because they may look good in brightly lit showrooms but maynot look that great in your dimly lit homes. And never go by the specs of the panels......things like dynamic contrast ratio,etc,etc doesn't mean anything.
 
n00b said:
OT:
OLED? Is being led by a "Only for really really really really rich people" slogan. The rest of us have to cope with LCD's and Plasma's i guess.
I think the estimate of hitting mainstream is in 2009 or 2010. But i do know that they postponed the predicted "mainstream mania" period.
But they look so sexy.

OLED will match the current lcd prices only by 2012 according to samsung.
 
Okay guys... the order has been placed... for SAMSUNG 46A550..should be arriving at home ins 3-4 days time.

I insisted on not having the display piece and they didnt have anyfresh ones in store, so they will get it from there distributor channel.

Damages @ 106500 INR.

Review : Samsung LA46A550P1RXXS (46-inch LCD) Review - TVs - CNET Asia

for the price above, i think i have a pretty nice deal plus the lcd looked amazing with borrowed ps3 blu-rays...waiting for my LG drive to come down tomorrow
 
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