News Lenovo plans to achieve 100% PC manufacturing in India in 3 years

[Kaching999]

Lenovo India Managing Director Shailendra Katiyal said that of the total PC sales in India, the company manufactured 30 per cent locally, and will hit 50 per cent next year, and eventually 100 per cent in three years-time.

So no Lenovo is not going to manufacture all their products in India but is planning on manufacturing 100% of the PCs (most probably including laptops) sold in India in India itself.

Will this help lower the costs for the consumers here? What do you think?

Source: Business Standard

 

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Will this help lower the costs for the consumers here? What do you think?

It should make prices more competitive with how much they are sold for abroad.

Just like what happened with phones

This is a welcome development and long overdue. Maybe more vendors will join in the future

 

[Kaching999]

It should make prices more competitive with how much they are sold for abroad.

Just like what happened with phones

This is a welcome development and long overdue. Maybe more vendors will join in the future

Well the reason I am a bit skeptical is that both Apple and Google have started manufacturing in India but that hasn't had much of an effect on the pricing and it is still not equal to what their products go for abroad. Especially in the case of Apple.

 

[HE-MAN]

PC monitors come under PC manufacturing ? if yes release a good cheap OLED monitor

 

[Kaching999]

PC monitors come under PC manufacturing ? if yes release a good cheap OLED monitor

If that happens it would be great imagine a 1440p 240hz OLED at 44k

 

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Well the reason I am a bit skeptical is that both Apple and Google have started manufacturing in India but that hasn't had much of an effect on the pricing and it is still not equal to what their products go for abroad. Especially in the case of Apple.

How about Samsung or even LG that have been in India much longer?

Aren't their prices competive

Question is what have Apple & Google started manufacturing. Which phones does Apple make in India? Not any top end ones unlike Samsung & LG who have been building their flagships here for a while now.

LG doesn't make phones these days but both G4 & V20 were made here.

 

[Kaching999]

How about Samsung or even LG that have been in India much longer?

Aren't their prices competive

Question is what have Apple & Google started manufacturing. Which phones does Apple make in India? Not any top end ones unlike Samsung & LG who have been building their flagships here for a while now.

LG doesn't make phones these days but both G4 & V20 were made here.

Well the difference in pricing between samsung's flagship sold here and abroad is about 17k while the same difference for apple is 40k, both of them manufacturer both the flagships here in India itself, Samsung at it's Noida facility and Apple through Foxconn.

Samsung and LG have competitive because they have been manufacturing here for a longer time. Also I suspect it has something to do with them shipping most of their manufacturing equipment from South Korea instead of China and because of Foxconn and hence Apple's reliance on China for it's equipment, they face much more trouble in dealing with the government.

 

[roadrash99]

Well the reason I am a bit skeptical is that both Apple and Google have started manufacturing in India but that hasn't had much of an effect on the pricing and it is still not equal to what their products go for abroad. Especially in the case of Apple.

Are Indian prices really that much higher? When you convert from USD prices it comes out to be like 1USD=100Rs. The actual exchange rate is 87. If you add sales taxes that are not included in USD prices, Indian prices seem to be OK already. That's why they don't reduce the prices after manufacturing in India, because it probably costs the same. The push to manufacture in India is only for diversification reasons, not cost.

 

[Kaching999]

Are Indian prices really that much higher? When you convert from USD prices it comes out to be like 1USD=100Rs. The actual exchange rate is 87. If you add sales taxes that are not included in USD prices, Indian prices seem to be OK already. That's why they don't reduce the prices after manufacturing in India, because it probably costs the same. The push to manufacture in India is only for diversification reasons, not cost.

In case of Lenovo that does seem to add up. But I also wonder if they would bring their entire product stack here like they have in US, most of the time when I go and look at the catalogue offered in both the countries, US has way more products than we get here.

 

[soulweaver]

What do they mean by manufacturing? What components are actually going to be manufactured in India? Lenovo doesn't make the processors, or memory modules. The same is the case with the motherboards.

I am not being sarcastic. I am genuinely wondering as to what the word means in this context. Does it mean assembled?

 

[ibose]

What do they mean by manufacturing?

Yeah when I see the word manufacturing in context of India - alarm bells used to go off not so long ago. Now I have got used to the fact that for media, importing from abroad and assembling is always equated to manufacturing, made in India, etc. and we will get stuff at a reduced cost yada yada yada ..

 

[Kaching999]

This might give some answers:

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2012-07/23/content_15607801.htm

Lenovo does still design it's own PCBs and cooling solutions in house. But yes they won't be manufacturing here completely in the purest sense but seeing that assembly is also a crucial part of manufacturing especially in consumer electronics they can get away with it.

Also by that definition, you won't be able to find a single company which sells consumer products that we could say manufactures a product.

 

[lockhrt999]

unlike Samsung & LG who have been building their flagships here for a while now.

Dunno about LG, but Samsung is properly scamming make in India label. Just bought a Samsung flagship phone. The box had 'made in India' written on it multiple times. But the only thing in the box which was made in India was the USB-C cable. Same story with Samsung watch and their buds. Written 'made in India' several times on the box. And, they have nothing in the box, which was made in India. Actual products clearly have made in Vietnam labels.

 

[ibose]

Also by that definition, you won't be able to find a single company which sells consumer products that we could say manufactures a product.

Which is perfectly fine .. I still don't understand what they get by faking a Made in India label .. they could use a Designed in India label but no.. are folks this gullible ?

 

[Kaching999]

Which is perfectly fine .. I still don't understand what they get by faking a Made in India label .. they could use a Designed in India label but no.. are folks this gullible ?

It is all about optics and trying to feed into that "Vishwaguru" label.

 

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Just bought a Samsung flagship phone.

Which one

The box had 'made in India' written on it multiple times. But the only thing in the box which was made in India was the USB-C cable.

It's easy to find out where it is made and this applies for both Samsung & LG products.

It's coded into the serial number, which you can find by Settings->About Phone

Both my S20FE & S23 are country code ZC from the serial number.



Look at the 2nd & 3rd letters,
ZC or Z8 is the country code for India

C5, 58, FC is Vietnam

3C, 37 is Korea

The second digits tend to fluctuate, the first is more important

Z is India
F is Vietnam
3 is Korea

Country code of my Buds live is FA, so made in Vietnam.

https://en.tab-tv.com/samsung-phone-serial-number-2001-2020-decode-explained/

^Useful website to decode appliance or TV serials as well.

There seems to be some carry over for country codes if you look at washing machine serials

A – China
D – Thailand
3, 4 – Korea
L – Russia
W- China
B – Mexico
E – Poland
7 – US
N – Vietnam
Z – India

What about TV serial numbers

S – Slovenia
H – Hungary
4 - Romania
1, 3 – Korea
L – Russia
W– China
C – Mexico
M – Malaysia

Same story with Samsung watch and their buds.

Now you know how to check where they are made and it's known peripherals aren't made in India as yet. But it's only a matter of time because Sammy sells like hotcakes here. These products can be assembled in India as they are in Vietnam.

Written 'made in India' several times on the box. And, they have nothing in the box, which was made in India. Actual products clearly have made in Vietnam labels.

Recheck now that this confusion has been cleared.

It is all about optics and trying to feed into that "Vishwaguru" label.

Heh, really. So the big Samsung factory in Noida is for show then?

F & M series phones are designed at Samsung's Delhi design studio. Likely they're bread & butter series for Samsung in India.

The higher end or S series in Korea and assembled here which is what made in means and this applies worldwide. The parts can be from anywhere.

Also for export. That's what people need to understand. First its make for India and then for the world. Koreans have been here since the 90s and have a headstart over other brands when it comes to make in India. Momentum is only building as the economy continues its consistent unstoppable growth well into the future.

I still don't understand what they get by faking a Made in India label .. they could use a Designed in India label but no.. are folks this gullible ?

Nothing is being faked here.

 

[ibose]

designed

Then why not use Designed in India ? Design is not the same as manufacturing or even assembly. Even Apple uses the Designed in California, Assembled in China/Vietnam label.

Nothing is being faked here.

Eh.. come back to me when they are actually "making" any of the stuff without importing any of the components. Until that happens, there will not be any significant price reduction.

 

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Then why not use Designed in India ? Design is not the same as manufacturing.Apple uses the Designed in California label

What for. Bosch does this with their washing machines. Are you getting a made in Germany product. No you are not. It's for this reason I find this designed business a bit misleading.

Come back to me when they are "making" stuff without importing any of the components.

In that case no country outside Korea qualifies.

Assemble is good enough. That is what happens everywhere. You are sourcing whatever % local and jobs are created in the manufacturing sector.

Good enough for most governments. Trump included.

 

[ibose]

What for.

Because that is the truth. They have their product design labs in Cupertino. Now they are "assembling" iphones in India and they label it truthfully -

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/y8kneo/earlier_apple_phones_were_designed_in_california

This is how it should be.

 

[Kaching999]

Heh, really. So the big Samsung factory in Noida is for show then?

I wasn't taking about the Samsung factory there I know thay have a factory and I know they design and sell products here itself. Maybe not all of them but some.

Just like @ibose I was taking about the products that they don't make here and still slap a made in India label on it, not just Samsung but also other companies and the reason is optics as they try to sell those products based on people's sentiments by posing as patriotic.

The only reason these companies are trying to set up assembly and sometimes manufacturing in India is that they find it cheaper to do so. If down the line it somehow becomes expensive and they find that it will be cheaper for them to manufacture in say Sri Lanka or Nepal, they wouldn't even wait for a heartbeat before packing up everything from here and setting up shop in those countries.