This video is far from taking responsibility.
LTT Expose by Gamers Nexus
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StygianClaw
Forerunner
They have responded on YouTube (regarding Madison).
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LTT be like - pancho ungli ghee main aur sir kadhai main. Heights of greed and GN is like a Grizzly bear, LTT poked the wrong animal.
Make good content and not just be after making any content. Its a clown show now and for almost past 4 to 5 years. I trust GN, Hardware unboxed or Jay2cents
Make good content and not just be after making any content. Its a clown show now and for almost past 4 to 5 years. I trust GN, Hardware unboxed or Jay2cents
Black_Hawk
Innovator
LTT with a half-baked apology video with the CEO reading awkwardly from a prompter.
Meanwhile Linus in his mind:
"Here's your apology b33tches"!
Meanwhile Linus in his mind:
"Here's your apology b33tches"!
I think it was plain wrong on Gamers Nexuss part to publicly call out another tech youtuber in such a hit piece manner specially when they know each other so well. This is what Linus was referring to, he could've easily called Linus and sorted the matter out but Gamers Nexus just went "we don't NEED to contact you for anything, we can just make a video about it, cherry pick the erroneouos videos, gang up with other tech youtubers and systematically discredit you by spinning the algorithm against you."
GN called out LTT when an engineer in the LTT team for whatever dumbass reason decided to call out GN and another youtuber in a video for maybe 5 seconds (which too I think was wrong). There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE the LTT engineer might've been right about GN mind you but then GN decided to fire a massive shot by making a complete hit piece of a video which was OBVIOUSLY made because he got butthurt.
In a way GN just went: "yea we don't do what the LTT engineer says that but here this is what LTT does, so believe us because we are making an entire video about it to brainwash you. Here are some cherry picked errorneous videos and this one particular video about a cooler that no one cares for and no one will ever buy or even thought about before this whole fiasco. Also, ignore their12+ years of videos of thousands upon thousands of accurate and entertaining videos that have saved people millions of dollars in bad spends. Just concentrate on 3-5 videos we think they got wrong because WE SAY SO. WE, youtubers, who are a fraction of the scale of LMG and have all the time in the world and are not managing a multi million dollar organisation. Also, we are coming out with this info now because we got called out, had we not been called out we would've just kept quiet and let you the consumer suffer while me maintained our business relationship". That's not journalistic integrity.
Then the low blow of calling an auction for charity a SALE. How incredibly insulting to LTT. This is why Linus got emotional and wrote that post! It makes Linus and LMG look cheap! and that was exactly the intention! GN spinned the whole thing against LTT and people just gobbled it up! A miscommunication happened and it got auctioned off. So what? GN and Hadware unboxed are not part of a multi million dollar organisation with unthinkable moving parts! Mistakes can happen in big organisations! So you'll use just that to gang up on him?
If anything I'm disappointed at Gamers Nexus for this. Him and the others planned and excuted this plan quite well. Edit: (remaining lines redacted)
GN called out LTT when an engineer in the LTT team for whatever dumbass reason decided to call out GN and another youtuber in a video for maybe 5 seconds (which too I think was wrong). There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE the LTT engineer might've been right about GN mind you but then GN decided to fire a massive shot by making a complete hit piece of a video which was OBVIOUSLY made because he got butthurt.
In a way GN just went: "yea we don't do what the LTT engineer says that but here this is what LTT does, so believe us because we are making an entire video about it to brainwash you. Here are some cherry picked errorneous videos and this one particular video about a cooler that no one cares for and no one will ever buy or even thought about before this whole fiasco. Also, ignore their12+ years of videos of thousands upon thousands of accurate and entertaining videos that have saved people millions of dollars in bad spends. Just concentrate on 3-5 videos we think they got wrong because WE SAY SO. WE, youtubers, who are a fraction of the scale of LMG and have all the time in the world and are not managing a multi million dollar organisation. Also, we are coming out with this info now because we got called out, had we not been called out we would've just kept quiet and let you the consumer suffer while me maintained our business relationship". That's not journalistic integrity.
Then the low blow of calling an auction for charity a SALE. How incredibly insulting to LTT. This is why Linus got emotional and wrote that post! It makes Linus and LMG look cheap! and that was exactly the intention! GN spinned the whole thing against LTT and people just gobbled it up! A miscommunication happened and it got auctioned off. So what? GN and Hadware unboxed are not part of a multi million dollar organisation with unthinkable moving parts! Mistakes can happen in big organisations! So you'll use just that to gang up on him?
If anything I'm disappointed at Gamers Nexus for this. Him and the others planned and excuted this plan quite well. Edit: (remaining lines redacted)
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Oh we have some of the LTT fanboys among us.
PSA reminder: Let's not feed the troll.
@cinecon personally, i think you're trolling and that is a rage bait post. But, if it's an actually sincere post, you need to rethink who is actually being brainwashed and try to look at the GN video objectively.
PSA reminder: Let's not feed the troll.
@cinecon personally, i think you're trolling and that is a rage bait post. But, if it's an actually sincere post, you need to rethink who is actually being brainwashed and try to look at the GN video objectively.
psyph3r
Herald
Sponsored by Dbrand and lttstore.com
Was it the trigger ? Possibly.
GN had mentioned in one of their weekly news recap videos after the LTT backpack warranty mess that LMG and LTT by extension had grown to such an extent in terms of valuation and size that they'd treat LMG and any LMG companies the same as any other large corporations.
Not as industry friends or acquaintances basically.
It's great that they did that, honestly! But even on a professional level it can be done specially when GN considers themselves journalists. The first thing a journalist does is contact the party in question to get their statement regarding a matter and then proceed from that. There was nothing done here. No contact was made by GN with the LMG team (as far as I know) before posting of said video. They just upped and made a video about it with an extremely clickbaity thumbnail and title to ensure maximum reach. The use of such tactics are so subtle that they can be completely overlooked and they have been.
PS: I appreciate you resorting to a respectful conversation and not "fanyboy shaming". Thumbs up!
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rsaeon
Guide
You're missing a few key points. I realise not everyone lives on reddit and youtube like me (self-employed WFH) so I'll try and fill in the blanks.
There's no question that LTT's ethics are muddled. They're reviewers, resellers, and (for all intents and purposes) manufacturers of consumer products. They're a media house second to their merch/store.
Reference: https://www.google.com/search?q=ltt+revenue+sources&tbm=isch
What does this mean? It means the videos are not a prioritized revenue source. Maybe they were at some point but it's no longer the case. The videos only serve as advertisements for their online store or their mid-video cuts to their sponsors. When you look at the videos from that perspective, all of these errors start to make sense — technical accuracy is never a priority when you're trying to make one more sale.
LTT also has a very rabid/toxic fanbase. Like the time when they bullied a kid who ended up taking his life, and then his mother couldn't live with the grief and she also took her life. So now there's a broken family with a father who lost his son and wife to that fanbase.
Reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/search/?q=MindChop
Now, the crux of the issue. This unhealthy fanbase is the reason why other publications, actual reviewers, had to tip toe around LTT's inaccuracies in their testing data otherwise they would be subject to similar harrasment. Think, as an example, "LTT's 3090 got 300 FPS, why does your graphs show only 250? You're an AMD shill." The combination of LTT's popularity and inaccuracies continues to harm and discredit other publications. There was going to be an exposé sooner or later, it was only a question of what was going to trigger it.
GamersNexus made the decision many months ago to stop treating LTT as a publication but as a manufacturer because of the anti-consumer stance it had to warranties as a manufacturer. Because, as mentioned above, everything LTT does is driven by their merch/store.
Journalistic guidelines do not apply, need not apply, when active harm is being done to not just other publications but consumers like you and me. This is important for you to understand.
You and Linus are confusing personal friendships with professional responsibilities. Steve was the first to let Linus know that his channel was hacked, and this happened after the backpack warranty video. Despite GN considering LTT as a manufacturer instead of a fellow publication, Steve still considers Linus a friend. Linus, and you, have yet to understand that.
Linus has clearly stated in their video that his initial response on the forum was wrong and emotionally driven and made matters worse for everyone involved.
Which means Steve's objection (the "hit piece" you mentioned) to Tim's lie was justified — since it was twice wrong, both for lying about LTT's practices and for lying about other publication's practices.
The charity auction attracted people to the convention. It was used as a selling point of the convention. It profited them. It was a sale.
Linus and LMG make their own selves look cheap by monetizing their apology video, promoting a new product in their apology video, joking about sponsors in their apology video and making inappropriate jokes in an apology video. Ethics just doesn't exist in their universe and by extension, neither does integrity.
Let me remind you, that GamersNexus did not monetize their initial video. That is what true ethics and integrity is, if you wanted an example.
And that's the problem. They don't deserve to be a multimillion dollar organisation with that much influence over consumers and small companies if such mistakes repeatedly occur. Everyone deserves better than what LMG is doing. You know, basically what they acknowledged in their apology video:
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1:21 keep doing better that have created our
1:42 better in a lasting way this means for
2:37 investments in making our content better
2:38 and we will do better as a team why
2:58 need to serve you better so our team
10:47 um a better way to handle that where we
13:04 hope this will enable us to make better
14:12 but we need to be better about our
18:24 I owe you guys better and I'm sorry
20:01 be a more well-old machine with betterSure it sucks there won't be any LTT videos for the next few days and maybe in that time you'll realise how wrong you've been looking at this situation. There's a reason this was a wake-up call for LTT that caused them halt all video production. They realise they need to make changes because that they were doing things wrong.
The WAN show (their weekly podcast) pretty much as serves as Linus' statement and negates that need. Nearly everything Steve pointed out about Linus was to what Linus said on the WAN show.
Why would they ask for a statement... when they already had a public statement from Linus himself?
edit: Gary, not Mark, there is no Mark
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This was not a 'news piece'.
As entertaining as LTT videos are.... atleast some of them nowadays , This was more of a badly needed wake up call for LTT given the mistake ridden half arsed videos they've been putting out lately.
Not just the mistakes in a specsheets or graphs that but actual effort into making decent content that they are putting out and marketing as reviews , buyer guides etc.
Somebody has to do it.
I mean we always have an option to not watch videos but it's entertainment in the end....
GNs video was not monetized.
LTTs apology video was monetized
Go figure...
TheGoldenHorde
Discoverer
i thought this was a sarcastic troll post. until i read the next messages.
@cinecon You should look at the bigger picture here. Everything that GN brought up was factual and someone had to bring it up sooner or later. Why should they get away with damaging the reputation of startup companies for their mistakes? He didn't want to spend $500 of his money to retest the billet labs prototype, and due to his incorrect testing he potentially destroyed the company worth hundreds of thousands and worth years of hard work.
They missed taking off the cover behind a mouse before testing it and claimed it's the worst mouse. Think about the potential loss the company got because they were blind to see it.
There are millions of views to his videos where majority of them in the last few years have shown consistently incorrect data. If GN hadn't brought it up LTT wouldn't have taken it seriously.
They missed taking off the cover behind a mouse before testing it and claimed it's the worst mouse. Think about the potential loss the company got because they were blind to see it.
There are millions of views to his videos where majority of them in the last few years have shown consistently incorrect data. If GN hadn't brought it up LTT wouldn't have taken it seriously.
desiibond
Juggernaut
The one party that is going to come out much better out of this is Billet Labs. Thanks to the stupidity of LTT, a lot of Youtubers are now enthusiastic to test their products, lot of enthusiasts now know that there is this start up.
I still hate how LTT handled all of this and if what Madison revealed is true, may their soul rot in hell.
rsaeon
Guide
LTT has so far lost almost 5000 paying subscribers on Floatplane. At the lowest tier, that's over $300k dollars lost in yearly revenue.
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Mr.J
Herald
Penny wise and pound foolish.
30fps101
Contributor
Just take a step back and read what you just said it almost sounds like "All I know is had that old man not appeared in the court as a witness for my murder case there would have been no drama and i would have been back home. Such judicial system".