31-40k Major component upgrades

I don't want to go for the X or 3D ones; too much for my requirements.
Just for gaming, would be much better to go for 7800x3d + cheaper B650 motherboard. I am using it with B650m ds3h and it works well. VRM is much more than needed.

In amazon right now difference in cpu cost is only 5k and motherboad should be around 15k vs 30k.
Asus AM5 had a lot of issues when i bought + their support seems to have become terrible recently.
We don't need PCI5.

Even if you dont need 7800x3d now, it will last better in long run. Else why not just go for 7600 and save more money. That also makes sense.
 
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Just for gaming, would be much better to go for 7800x3d + cheaper B650 motherboard. I am using it with B650m ds3h and it works well. VRM is much more than needed.

In amazon right now difference in cpu cost is only 5k and motherboad should be around 15k vs 30k.
Asus AM5 had a lot of issues when i bought + their support seems to have become terrible recently.
We don't need PCI5.

Even if you dont need 7800x3d now, it will last better in long run. Else why not just go for 7600 and save more money. That also makes sense.
Thanks for your prompt response.

I am reluctant to go for a higher CPU since it seems to be a overkill for my uses. Additionally, with my rudimentary knowledge, it seems that these CPUs are very power hungry. On the other hand, I don't want to go down to a Ryzen 5 and lose out on the performance considerably in comparison to a Ryzen 7.

I agree with you on the Mobo. I also have shortlisted MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard, ATX - Supports AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Processors, AM5-14 Duet Rail 80A VRM, DDR5 Memory Boost 6400+MHz/OC, 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16, 3 x M.2 Gen4, Wi-Fi 6E.
However, I am partial towards the Asus one. I am a bit tempted to try PCI5 in future, since I intend to keep the PC for next 6-8 years. Overall I need loads of USB 3 ports for my external HDDs and at least WiFi 6.

Please let me know your thoughts on the RAM. I have shortlisted the following
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6400MHz Desktop Memory White CMH32GX5M2B6400C36W
 
Thanks for your prompt response.

I am reluctant to go for a higher CPU since it seems to be a overkill for my uses. Additionally, with my rudimentary knowledge, it seems that these CPUs are very power hungry. On the other hand, I don't want to go down to a Ryzen 5 and lose out on the performance considerably in comparison to a Ryzen 7.

I agree with you on the Mobo. I also have shortlisted MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard, ATX - Supports AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Processors, AM5-14 Duet Rail 80A VRM, DDR5 Memory Boost 6400+MHz/OC, 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16, 3 x M.2 Gen4, Wi-Fi 6E.
However, I am partial towards the Asus one. I am a bit tempted to try PCI5 in future, since I intend to keep the PC for next 6-8 years. Overall I need loads of USB 3 ports for my external HDDs and at least WiFi 6.

Please let me know your thoughts on the RAM. I have shortlisted the following
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6400MHz Desktop Memory White CMH32GX5M2B6400C36W
The 7800X3D is nowhere close to being power-hungry and stays well below 70W for most use-case scenarios.

For reference, I have a MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi + 7800X3D.

PCIE 5.0 isn't needed at this point, especially not for GPUs. Heck, even PCIE 4.0 isn't saturated yet (for GPUs). However, this changes if your requirements call for multiple lanes, and sustained storage workloads.

Rather than 6400Mhz, get a 6000 Mhz CL30 (the sweet spot) kit, and then manually tweak it for a bit more performance. You save some money.
 
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I am reluctant to go for a higher CPU since it seems to be a overkill for my uses.
Mainly Plants vs. Zombie sort of games

1) ok i did not really read 1st post.
For basic indie games, even AM5 is overkill. You could just save a bunch and go for some basic cpu. 5600(x) seems perfect to me, even 3300x/3600x should be enough for day to day desktop use + basic games. Or say 5600g if you want igpu. No real need to waste money on AM5, 7600 should be pretty good and is way overkill. For example 3300x/3600x is more than enough for a gpu like 5600xt/6600 and 6600 is good value 1080p gpu that should run most games well enough.

2) 7800x3d is very efiicient and probably uses less power. It stays around 50w or so for me most of the time i think. Its crazy efficient for gaming performance. But i dont think you need this if you are not going to play AAA games at high refresh rate. Gpu should be >=3080/4070 for this to make any sense. Its sort of overkill even for 3080 most of the time.

3) For components, i think best to wait for experienced guys to comment. I dont keep in touch with market that much. I got this ram for about 9k in October and run it at 6000 C30 with custom settings. Very stable, never had any crash so far after tuning ram and cpu.

But again, AM4/3600x should be more than enough i think.
 
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The 7800X3D is nowhere close to being power-hungry and stays well below 70W for most use-case scenarios.

For reference, I have a MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi + 7800X3D.

PCIE 5.0 isn't needed at this point, especially not for GPUs. Heck, even PCIE 4.0 isn't saturated yet (for GPUs). However, this changes if your requirements call for multiple lanes, and sustained storage workloads.

Rather than 6400Mhz, get a 6000 Mhz CL30 (the sweet spot) kit, and then manually tweak it for a bit more performance. You save some money.
Great Info!.. the mentioned power ratings are way over 100.. so I was having second thoughts (multiple thoughts actually,,.. :D). let me see if I can manage the budget.

I will go for the 6000 MHz RAM; thanks. will the one mentioned below do? it is CL36, though.
Corsair Vengeance 32GB (16GBX2) DDR5 6000MHz CL36 Memory Kit - Black

the following config cost is with 7700 (about INR 62K), with 7800X3D it will bump up by another 7K.

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1) ok i did not really read 1st post.
For basic indie games, even AM5 is overkill. You could just save a bunch and go for some basic cpu. 5600(x) seems perfect to me, even 3300x/3600x should be enough for day to day desktop use + basic games. Or say 5600g if you want igpu. No real need to waste money on AM5, 7600 should be pretty good and is way overkill. For example 3300x/3600x is more than enough for a gpu like 5600xt/6600 and 6600 is good value 1080p gpu that should run most games well enough.

2) 7800x3d is very efiicient and probably uses less power. It stays around 50w or so for me most of the time i think. Its crazy efficient for gaming performance. But i dont think you need this if you are not going to play AAA games at high refresh rate. Gpu should be >=3080/4070 for this to make any sense. Its sort of overkill even for 3080 most of the time.

3) For components, i think best to wait for experience guys to comment. I dont keep in touch with market that much. I got this ram for about 9k in October and run it at 6000 C30 with custom settings. Very stable, never had any crash so far after tuning ram and cpu.

But again, AM4/3600x should be more than enough i think.
No worries...:p this is 2022 post being resurrected by poor me.. At that time AM5 was coming up and I kept my build on hold (truth: I was broke:bag:).
Anyway, to cut the long story short, now we are into 3rd gen of AM5 chips (I think), so i will stick to AM5... hope it can carry on for next 6-8 years.

Good Info on the real life power consumption of the x3d version CPU. Does the stock cooler option work for you or you have a custom one?
 
now we are into 3rd gen of AM5 chips (I think), so i will stick to AM5... hope it can carry on for next 6-8 years.
7000 series was 1st in AM5. Next one will show up maybe in 2025?. 8000 is just 7000 with igpu changed, so they basically jump a number.
3000 then 5000(zen 3) then 7000(zen4). Next one is 9000(zen5 - 2nd in AM5).

Good Info on the real life power consumption of the x3d version CPU. Does the stock cooler option work for you or you have a custom one?
Does not come with cooler. I use AG620 with it, but its overkill too.

Still, looking at your use case, if you really want AM5, then go for 7600(x). Its enough even for 3080 class of gpus. You can use ECO mode on those chips or set power limits yourself as needed and they will run efficiently with lower power usage and only small performance impact i think. ( So if x version happens to be cheaper by chance, can go for that )


If you have multi threaded workload ( you should know what it means else you probably dont). then only 7700 might make sense.

There isnt that much single threaded difference in performance within a generation for higher tiers to be worth it for most people. So go for 7600 rather than 7700.
If you are interested in 7700 because of gaming performance, you dont need it unless you plan to play AAA games with expensive gpus, and if so 7800x3d is going to be much better.
And 7600 will be good too. gaming performance is not too different vs 7700, like 2-3% on average and that you wont see even that with cheap gpus. Not worth it at all if you don't have another use case for it.


8600 will likely be faster than both and probably faster than fastest 7000 cpu other than x3d ones. But it will likely cost near 30k at launch and then price will reduce with time if we go by past.
 
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7000 series was 1st in AM5. Next one will show up maybe in 2025?. 8000 is just 7000 with igpu changed, so they basically jump a number.
3000 then 5000(zen 3) then 7000(zen4). Next one is 9000(zen5 - 2nd in AM5).


Does not come with cooler. I use AG620 with it, but its overkill too.

Still, looking at your use case, if you really want AM5, then go for 7600(x). Its enough even for 3080 class of gpus. You can use ECO mode on those chips or set power limits yourself as needed and they will run efficiently with lower power usage and only small performance impact i think. ( So if x version happens to be cheaper by chance, can go for that )


If you have multi threaded workload ( you should know what it means else you probably dont). then only 7700 might make sense.

There isnt that much single threaded difference in performance within a generation for higher tiers to be worth it for most people. So go for 7600 rather than 7700.
If you are interested in 7700 because of gaming performance, you dont need it unless you plan to play AAA games with expensive gpus, and if so 7800x3d is going to be much better.
And 7600 will be good too. gaming performance is not too different vs 7700, like 2-3% on average and that you wont see even that with cheap gpus. Not worth it at all if you don't have another use case for it.


8600 will likely be faster than both and probably faster than fastest 7000 cpu other than x3d ones. But it will likely cost near 30k at launch and then price will reduce with time if we go by past.
Many thanks @Tracer_Bullet

I have no budget left for an extra CPU cooler. Thus I would have to stick to the non-x versions. Will try to go ahead with 7700 so that I can have a little bit of headroom for any future use...
I am a bit into Sound Mixing and a bit into Flight simulation games.

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If you're willing to wait for some time, I'd say it is better to wait for the 9000 series launch(Should launch globally around the end of this month). It would be a good decision as you could buy the new 9600x/9600 if they come at a reasonable price or buy the 7600 as it would probably be a bit discounted. The motherboard seems good but you take a look at the Asrock B650 steel legend or the Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite V2(they are around a similar price range with this board). For the 7600, the stock cooler would be sufficient but if you need to buy the 7700 for its more cores, you can probably buy a AG400 cooler from deepcool.
 
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If you're willing to wait for some time, I'd say it is better to wait for the 9000 series launch(Should launch globally around the end of this month). It would be a good decision as you could buy the new 9600x/9600 if they come at a reasonable price or buy the 7600 as it would probably be a bit discounted. The motherboard seems good but you take a look at the Asrock B650 steel legend or the Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite V2(they are around a similar price range with this board). For the 7600, the stock cooler would be sufficient but if you need to buy the 7700 for its more cores, you can probably buy a AG400 cooler from deepcool.
The biggest challenge in building a PC is the "wait".. :banghead:.. You are correct, though!!
I will check out the Mobos.. Thanks!!.. Had a pretty bad experience with Gigabyte board earlier..
 
You can also check out the Asrock B650 PG Lightning it has 2 more ports than your current choice and only lacks wifi but it has seperate place for a m.2 wifi card like this one which adds wifi 6e and bluetooth. This mobo along with the wifi card will cost around 19k which is about 4k less than your current choice. Also I think you should wait for the 9600x release, it will offer performance and efficiency gains and will cost significantly less than the 7700x and it is only about 2-3 months away from a proper release.
 
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I just checked out Vedant computers, much better pricing than Amazon.
I hope it stays that way till the end of the month when 9000 series is formally launched...
otherwise, this "waiting" will hurt!!..:hungover:
 
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It will probably run out of stock before they increase the pricing so if you are dead set on a component I think you should just go right ahead and buy it.
 
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Hi There..
Sharing an update to my last post..

Finally the update happened.. phew!!,, in september
Here's what the upgraded configuration looks like (all from Vedant Computers - total cost ~ 61 K ) :

CPU : AMD Ryzen 7 7700
MOBO : MSI B650 Tomahawk WIFI
RAM : 32 GB GSKILL Z5 Neo RGB

Now the new information.... I could not fit the MOBO in my existing full tower (Cooler Master)! There was no problem with the size. However, there is a pronounced ridge/ hump which was preventing proper fit (level). I was, anyway, planning to invest on a new Cabinet that can be placed on the table beside the monitor. I bought a white case by Montech (MONTECH XR, ATX Mid Tower, White) from Tirupati Enterprises (Amazon seller -Overclockers Zone) during sale. This one is a beautiful case with three RGB fans pre-fitted. Looks very neat with all the wires tucked away. Very good Airflow.

Unfortunately, with Amazon, messing up the delivery of Samsung 990 Pro, I had to continue the set-up with existing SATA SSD (860 Evo, 500GB). Amazon had sent me a 980 pro, neatly packed in a box that is marked as 990 pro (anyway.. that is another story.. but they accepted return).
I stuck with the bundled CPU cooler, don't think I need any other cooler right now.

I will now have to manage some budget for a mid range GPU and an NVMe SSD. I think either 990 pro samsung or SN 850X from WD Black will do for the SSD.
I need some advice on the GPU.

Please note that I want to stick with my existing PSU (Corsair HX650)

Thanks!!!

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