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Ktmndd- You will be taking some money for your efforts afterall- it's business then.
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You think I am making money? OK, I challenge you to do this...buy the TY discs from
Rima.com: Taiyo Yuden DVD+R 4.7GB, 8X, 100-Pack

It costs $33.99 (Rs. 1,400) + local shipping with the US. Then ship this stuff to India (add shipping costs...FYI each spindle weighs 4lbs...ie for 10 spindles the weight is 40lbs), then add customs cost etc and then sell it at a price of Rs. 1,900/-. We'll see how much money you make out of this. I will guarantee you, you will loose money and so am I.

You arent getting regular stuff- coz who will buy from u when it's common stuff available here with warranty.
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I don't get what you mean by this statement?

You are getting unusual stuff and it will sell coz most do not have access to it- so it is a favour to those who need it, not TE as a community.
Not to mention, you are doing yourself a favour.
And also that you have tapped into a popular online community as a very potent market- FREE of charge.
The 'doing the community a favour' part is so Ho-Hum.:P
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By community, I am not referring to the TE community, I am referring to the community of Tech enthusiasts who recognize the scarcity of some really good product not available here in India. I also refer to the community of people who have been frustrated with the current scene of e-commerce sites selling tech stuff in India and being a newegg kind of experience to this community. A place where the customer come first before anything else (yes, even profit!) To be very frank I even plan to sell the stuff you get in India on my site at a later stage. My goal....simply speaking is to be the newegg of India. This is how I am trying to help the community. Cuz I belong this community too. If you have a good concept, and you can give provide customer satisfaction...the money will follow.

I am greedy for h/w- but look at the GOs that happen- poor Saiyan and Funky and others go through so much hassle- buy- use own cc, pay tax, pack, ship- for no extra cost.
They extend a good opportunity/deal to others when they are availing the same.
That in my opinion is doing a service/favour to the community.
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They are doing a great job...no doubt and I have helped Funky out explaining to him about the markup charged by credit card companies for paying in US dollars. What I am trying to do here is much bigger and the benefits will flow to the end customer that is you. Ever heard about economies of scale. More the quantity, lesser the price. I have the resources to get the same stuff Funky is getting for you from his GO at a much lesser cost. Now isn't that helping the community? I even save people like Funky from going through all the trouble of organizing the GO, using his credit card, clearing customs etc...you catch the drift. I do all that for you and would be able to pass on the price befits to the end customer.

You have to realize I am taking some heavy losses at the moment. But try to understand the bigger picture....the loss is my current investment for something bigger in the future that everybody would be able to reap the benefits.
 
I have nothing against you- just said what i feel- i am going to hell anyways.:ohyeah:
katmandude said:
You think I am making money? OK, I challenge you to do this...buy the TY discs from
Rima.com: Taiyo Yuden DVD+R 4.7GB, 8X, 100-Pack

It costs $33.99 (Rs. 1,400) + local shipping with the US. Then ship this stuff to India (add shipping costs...FYI each spindle weighs 4lbs...ie for 10 spindles the weight is 40lbs), then add customs cost etc and then sell it at a price of Rs. 1,900/-. We'll see how much money you make out of this. I will guarantee you, you will loose money and so am I.
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I do not want any clarifications- did i say you are doing anything wrong.
I just dont agree with the favour to the tech community part.
It may be true- but it's only a tiny part of the whole picture- you know that well.:ohyeah:
I don't get what you mean by this statement?
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I meant you cannot attract a market with regular stuff as of now- not to mention earn lotsa goodwill for your own future.:P

By community, I am not referring to the TE community, I am referring to the community of Tech enthusiasts who recognize the scarcity of some really good product not available here in India. I also refer to the community of people who have been frustrated with the current scene of e-commerce sites selling tech stuff in India and being a newegg kind of experience to this community. A place where the customer come first before anything else (yes, even profit!) To be very frank I even plan to sell the stuff you get in India on my site at a later stage. My goal....simply speaking is to be the newegg of India. This is how I am trying to help the community. Cuz I belong this community too. If you have a good concept, and you can give provide customer satisfaction...the money will follow.
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Great thoughts- appreciate that.:)

BTW, i didn't know Newegg does what it does as community service.:ashamed:
They are doing a great job...no doubt and I have helped Funky out explaining to him about the markup charged by credit card companies for paying in US dollars. What I am trying to do here is much bigger and the benefits will flow to the end customer that is you. Ever heard about economies of scale. More the quantity, lesser the price. I have the resources to get the same stuff Funky is getting for you from his GO at a much lesser cost. Now isn't that helping the community? I even save people like Funky from going through all the trouble of organizing the GO, using his credit card, clearing customs etc...you catch the drift. I do all that for you and would be able to pass on the price befits to the end customer.

You have to realize I am taking some heavy losses at the moment. But try to understand the bigger picture....the loss is my current investment for something bigger in the future that everybody would be able to reap the benefits.
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So he did rep you too and acknowledge that in publice- anything more you need?:)

And Funky Sir, you better hit the rep button everytime Katmandude makes a sale- he saved you the hassle of GO for lesser mortal like me.:clap:
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all in all- it was fun posting here.:P

Exit - Stage Left.:ashamed:
 
Normally I refrain from posting in threads which have turned/turning into a flame war, but well it seems to me that most of the Confusions / Issues that cause this kind of long threads in the feedback section arise out of lapse in communication. I have seen this happen on TE before.

I do not have anything againist the mods or something, but would it be so hard to fire a PM to the person in question when you are hiding/removing his threads and inform him of the reasons. That itself would ensure that there is no hasty creation of a thread (At least when the person in question is mature enough) which would soon turn into a flame war.

As for the current issue in question, I haven't seen katmandude advertise products or his container import thread anywhere outside of his hot deals thread (correct me if I am wrong). Compare that in contrast with rahul_verma's posts each of which used to contain a link to the IT Wares site. That is what I would term as advertising. As for the watermarked pictures in sale threads he himself has said that he is ready to rectify the same.

Also what he has imported was all suggested by members here and only one or two pieces of the same were brought. Its not like he has brought a 100 pieces of each and put up a store in the market section. All his Sale threads were for a single item. Of-Course he may have plans to start a business in the future, but at least for this first sale, it must be treated as a GO. Maybe if he wants to start a business through TE in the future, then ask him for advertising then.

As for the sale itself, the prices he asked were such that there seemed to be no margin for profit (at least from my perspective). If I were to import those items myself though eBay or sidewinder, I would still have to pay the same or more after the customs are added. So I say that at-least his first sale be treated as a GO or personal sale. In contrast have seen some members here selling products brought in US at Indian prices and even bringing them just for the profit.
 
^^^^very well put, nice suggestion the thing to note here is that he imported 1 quantity of products suggested by TE members.
 
First of all, apologies for lack of communication to the original thread poster. We do have a hack to auto inform members when their posts are edited/deleted. Perhaps a similar hack is available for informing the members when their posts/threads are put under moderation? Admins will confirm the same.

Second, the issue of threads under moderation is not his intention of making profits by sales. It was for "for using images watermarked and i think linked to his site which amounts to getting free advertising."

Time and again we have requested members to host images on free image hosting sites. Some members have been warned and others have been (temp) banned for such reason. If we let one person do it, others jump the gun way too soon.

Lastly, though the reason has been mentioned I dont see a point in this discussion going on about a few aspects which didnt form the basis for the moderation of his threads.

Like its been mentioned already, the admins and the mods have their hands tied with their work and/or studies. not to mention the DOS attacks/abnormal server loads TE is experiencing off late.

Here's a humble request to one and all to refrain nitpicking/pointing fingers at the staff. give the admins a li'l time to accomodate katmandude's request and see wat best can be done for the benefit of the community and its members.

peace!
 
sheesh !!! will u people stop beetching about this mods have told that they are discussing this so, let them come on a conclusion then comment on anything ....... on a side note i was not even informed when i was shifted from moderator to a normal user lol ...... this is not big than that :P .... or maybe it is :-/
 
TheMask said:
on a (other) side note, XT's static IP is banned.. :rofl: go figure

he's here on proxy :P
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are u trying to tell me he started the DOS attacks .... rofl .....
JK
 
BIKeINSTEIN said:
BTW, i didn't know Newegg does what it does as community service.:ashamed:
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There are millions of e-commerce sites in the US that cater to the tech community. Where NewEgg stands out is
1. Best Customer Service
2. Fastest Delivery Times
3. best prices

How many e-commerce sites in India do you know about that can fulfill even one of those above attributes. They are having a hard time just keeping up with typos on their website.

I never said NewEgg is providing a community service. What I meant was is that I was to bring into India the above same attributes that NewEgg stands for. India desperately needs something like that and I am sure many will agree with me. That is what I meant by serving the Indian tech community.

The reason I came to Tech Enclave, as I thought I would meet like minded people who want to create a difference in India was looking for their support (and not for their moolah). Guess I was wrong!
 
^ Dont jump to conclusions on ur own. Is a little patience asking for too much from our side?

As it is the admins have got their hands tied up with the DOS issues. Give em a li'l break!
 
katmandude said:
The reason I came to Tech Enclave, as I thought I would meet like minded people who want to create a difference in India was looking for their support (and not for their moolah). Guess I was wrong!
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You were NOT wrong !

How many people would jump into a GO with a completely new member on other forums ? In your TY GO list, count the number of Senior members ordering from you.

We all know how to spend money online and would not have trusted you had we not seen promise.

As I said before, please don't make any stupid conclusion of leaving TE, mods need time to discuss and the issue is gonna be closed in a while.
 
TheMask said:
^ Dont jump to conclusions on ur own. Is a little patience asking for too much from our side?

As it is the admins have got their hands tied up with the DOS issues. Give em a li'l break!
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Mods/Admins take your time to come to a decision.....my above comment was for Bikeinstein
 
Ok to start off with, i was the one who unapproved the threads till we reviewed the situation :)

Just for reference:

Read the rules before you make a post. Posting in the Market Section means you have read the rules and fully comply with it.
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Which means you should probably have seen this:

No setting up of online shop at TE. If you are a dealer/distributor, you can contact the staff and get your products advertised on TE. Please do not use the market section for the same.
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We did get a PM from your friend/colleague "trishulrai" around a month or more back where he asked us for comments on his site before he "posts about it on TE". We (atleast I) tried to be helpful by giving him comments and also told him to be careful about posting since its against the rules. Needless to say, after seeing your market threads it did not take long for us to figure out your connection with the same site.

Which led to this:

Posts made in this section that do not comply with the rules will be immediately deleted without any reason being given to the poster and may lead to temporary or permanent ban for the poster.
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That simply means i do not have to send any notification/warning/etc. Now do note, we've not deleted but unapproved the threads. We do have auto-PM hacks for certain actions but apparently moderating/unapproving threads does not come under that. Perhaps i could've sent a PM, but quite obviously moderating is not my full-time job for me to sit and PM everyone who tries to exploit loopholes.

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You may think we're acting stuck up, but we've put in way too much time and effort to bring this community together to let other people simply leverage it to their benefit. And yes we've had plenty of bad experiences where people have done just exactly that.

For example, there's this guy who was posting about his site in almost all his posts while he could, and acted naive when we did bring him to notice. He never paid for advertising yet everyone is very well "aware" of his website/services - his job was done. In fact people even go out of their way to create threads mentioning how good their experience was with his services (whether its him pushing for it, i will only speculate). Do you think he gives two hoots about advertising now that his business is doing good? No sir, he's spread the word out and he's got his advertising done. Unless you're extremely philanthropic, it makes no 'business sense' spending on advertising if you can find a free route.

We've had good relations with people like IT Depot trying to help the community (by bringing in the DFI boards into India).. they did not exploit that aspect to give them free promotion - they still went ahead and paid for advertising. What justice are we doing them if someone else claiming to help the community can get the same for free? You sincerely want to help the community, the advertiser's page is what we set up for you to help us.. its as simple as that! :)

Edit: I am waiting for the Admins to have their final say in it, seeing as to how busy they are with the website issues.. if we dont get a response from them, i'll probably put the threads back up on sale since as claimed they are for a single quantity and merely acting as a personal sale.
 
iosoft said:
Like - "AS5 bought from prime at 500/-"

That is also short of AD, AD about Prime. Then it should not be allowed also.

If you (admin/mod) force him to give official advertisement, then it will be a loss of all TE members.

He (katmandude) even if give official ad, then he will just add the 'extra' in his product's selling price. So, we have to buy much higher price......
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1. The difference here is, Gulbir from Prime ABGB isnt signing up on TE advertising - guys come down to my store, i have AS5 for 500 bucks. Members posting about deals is a different thing.

2. Why does he have to increase rates? You think all people selling their stuff do not have a margin of profits set aside towards advertising/marketing ?? BTW i've not seen you claim either of the products he's selling - whats your worry in this whole issue then? :no:

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Admins, please add someone who has a business sense to your team - being a technology enthusiast and having a business sense are 2 very different things, and it's evident in this thread.

He's trying to help people here, something none of us are willing to do... work *with* him and not against him.
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We are willing to work *with* him, we've got our advertising page and we're always open to negotiate on what ways he can do that. We're not driving him away, we're just saying there's no free lunch. We left the Taiyo yuden GO deal inspite of knowing this fact, simply because we did not want the members to miss out - still there is a line to be drawn at some point :)

About having someone with business sense on the team, we did have Renegade.. but then he quit saying something along the lines of "you guys dont have the balls to accept the fact that we need to make money".. apparently that 5 rupees he would've made off our aggressive advertising scheme was leaving him in severe financial ruin :(

You know where i got that line from, no offense intended ;) .. the point is its quite disheartening to read statements like that when we havent earned a cent off TE. None of us are financially dependant on TE.. we all have other sources of income. We arent deliberately shoving people the advertising list just so we can make a few bucks.. additional funds if any are automatically pumped back in for anything from better skins, hacks, better hosting etc.

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How abt this .....

Katmandudee sends one product to a TE member (senior and reputed obviously) for reviewing.

That TE members reviews it and writes a review on TE. This way, awareness of the product spreads and if the product is good, katmandude wont have a problem selling it on TE.
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Thats pretty much what he's already asked for from the people buying from him. The reviews of course go to his database, not ours :)

Either way, the issue isnt sourcing the hardware to review .. most of us dont get the time to review even locally available hardware.

Edit: Reopening thread. People who are either new and not well versed with things, or people who have nothing worthwhile to say please refrain from taking this further.
 
now that the dust has settled , my thought on this after some pondering .

Just because someone who is selling things is a dealer does not mean he should have to advertise . what sense does that make . i have seen numerous posts on TE with people selling brand new unused parts . should those qualify as selling with profit , or taking advantage of the situation ?

What about enthusiasts who tend to buy a lot of things, and they keep on selling their 1 months or so old things and they always keep on doing this . so effective one or two sales each month . This is availablilty of a place to sell off their old hardware at good prices because you have a educated crowrd who appreciate the hardware and buy it for a minimal change in prices just because it is almost as good as new .

We also had a debate earlier of people crapping on threads . If a selling is quoting an unusually high price for a part he is selling TE has no qualms about it . People who have posted on that thread had their posts deleted .Selling of an iten for more than its worth is deemed profit . So why restrict anybody if its a practise that is already being followed .

i would like to end on a note saying that , if a person is willing to sell , and does not advertise on the sale and is not advertizing about the sale or website on PMs , there is no grounds to remove any sale of his just on an assumption that he might start a business of his own , or that he is surely out here to get a profit .

I know that ego is a big thing especially when it comes to heated matters like this . I also know that if a mod has already has expressed his thoughts , its seems very difficult to retract statements or make peace .

But surely anyone will see sense in this . if you do take a look at the posts , there is a general agreement that the sale of such items is acceptable if we are given a choice of buy hardware at good prices .
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
We did get a PM from your friend/colleague "trishulrai" around a month or more back where he asked us for comments on his site before he "posts about it on TE". We (atleast I) tried to be helpful by giving him comments and also told him to be careful about posting since its against the rules. Needless to say, after seeing your market threads it did not take long for us to figure out your connection with the same site.
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Ok, find me one single post of mine where I have mentioned or provided a link to my site. Whereas I can still find links posted to the ITwarez website by the owner on TE. Why haven't you bothered removing those first. The only place I had my site logo was on the image watermark...which I even mentioned earlier that I am OK with even putting the name of "Katmandude" as a watermark on my images or even not post the images in the threads and not hosting the images on my site either.

We've had good relations with people like IT Depot trying to help the community (by bringing in the DFI boards into India).. they did not exploit that aspect to give them free promotion - they still went ahead and paid for advertising. What justice are we doing them if someone else claiming to help the community can get the same for free? You sincerely want to help the community, the advertiser's page is what we set up for you to help us.. its as simple as that! :)
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OK, so you want me to sell my items at IT-Depot's prices? I don't mind doing that, the kind of markups they have....of course they can afford advertising. its only going to hurt the community as the advertising cost burden is going to fall on them, but looks like you are offering me no other choice here.

So, let me ask you this...if I pay you for advertising...what do I get in return? Do I just get a logo on your page? or Do I get to post my items in your market section too? In an earlier post I had mentioned that I have picked up 100 Qtys of Arctic Silver that I would be selling for Rs. 150 (of course the price is going to go up now...depending on your advertising fee)...will you let me open a thread in the market section to sell 100 of these?

Edit: I am waiting for the Admins to have their final say in it, seeing as to how busy they are with the website issues.. if we dont get a response from them, i'll probably put the threads back up on sale since as claimed they are for a single quantity and merely acting as a personal sale.
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Thank you for that!
 
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