Nation's Shame : PT Usha humiliated in Bhopal, breaks down

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That is pretty pathetic. What if she hadn't cried on tv..nothing would have happened. Now they'll take some action and forget about actually making some changes to their management infrastructure, another will also have to cry to get anything, and life moves on in India..
 
It' really sad that sports other than cricket don't get enough investment. I understand that it might not be as lucrative as cricket for private companies to fund other sports by means of sponsorship, but the government should do it.

I know someone in Delhi who is a top chess player in India. She holds a WGM and IM title. She happens to come from a well off family and is able to fund her chess career. But I've often heard from her how there is a lack of investment in the sport.
 
madnav said:
the curse is that no other sportsmen than the cricketers get the fame and respect in our country.
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That's only because cricket is the only sport we're truly good in. Once someone goes and wins a big tournament somewhere for some other sport, they'll get famous too (for eg. Sania Mirza, Leander Paes/Mahesh Bhupati).
 
its all about money honey :|

The mofos think money behind sports, its so bloody commercialised that you cant win if you dont have money to enter his/her favourite sport.
 
Params7 said:
That's only because cricket is the only sport we're truly good in. Once someone goes and wins a big tournament somewhere for some other sport, they'll get famous too (for eg. Sania Mirza, Leander Paes/Mahesh Bhupati).
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nope actually winning tournaments is not as important as getting Ads...

a sportsman has to become a celebrity and do various public stunts if he/she wants fame and respect.

people are more impressed by Ads than cricket imo...how often does the Indian cricket team win anyway ??!! ...i mean.. on the playground.
 
Seriously, Sports and Sportsperson are given too much unnecessary attention and privileges all over the world. In India its mostly for cricket, but I would say reduce the focus altogether.

What should be a fun pass time thing has been turned into a war/business/political thing. People watch a game (any game) between India and Pakistan as if its a war. Even if PT Usha is crying that she was not provided some special privilege, many of the sportspeople other than Cricketers do get privileges, Many of them are given free jobs even when they are not qualified enough or when there are many others better qualified. They even get reservations in education. Why should they get such special privileges. They deserve respect, but they definitely do not deserve special privileges.
 
^ special privileges are given so that they concentrate on sports more than trying to butter the boss or slog behind a comp instead of training.

besides why are you upset that a few hundred sports persons are getting special privileges?

compared to the people with political clout and wealth who can get anything these people are far too few to make any serious dent in any sector. how many in your office came through sports reservation btw?
 
^^And let their work burden be done taken over by some already overloaded bloke with gets a pittance for it and another bloke who is more qualified to do the job is jobless while the sportsperson is doing his training or acting in ads or whatever and making money in other ways. Most of them don't actually need those jobs, but they still get them.

The question is why should they get special privileges in anything other than sports? If they bunked school/college for sports why should they still get reservations in education and jobs while someone who worked hard for it is left in the soup. Let the govt sponsor their training costs or whatever directly rather than sacrifice some other bloke. Also I am not talking about private jobs, I am talking about the govt jobs getting which is a life and death question for some people.
 
^^And let their work burden be done taken over by some already overloaded bloke with gets a pittance for it and another bloke who is more qualified to do the job is jobless while the sportsperson is doing his training or acting in ads or whatever and making money in other ways. Most of them don't actually need those jobs, but they still get them.
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in this highly populous country there are always people more highly qualified waiting for any work. you cant please anyone. even for the sweeper posts in govt the min qualification is around 10th but you see graduates.

no one can dream of getting into the top 5-10 without any training. dont tell me you expect people to get gold or silver just by going into the field straight from work. oh wait then they'll have to bunk work.

and not all sports persons gets into ads. only the top (from cricket) get it. the rest of them if they dont have any job support system (which you are against) will either have to leave sports entirely and compete for jobs as a normal person would, or die of starvation.

The question is why should they get special privileges in anything other than sports? If they bunked school/college for sports why should they still get reservations in education and jobs while someone who worked hard for it is left in the soup. Let the govt sponsor their training costs or whatever directly rather than sacrifice some other bloke. Also I am not talking about private jobs, I am talking about the govt jobs getting which is a life and death question for some people.
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from when did a govt job become a life and death question? i thought people went for a govt job just for the sake of a plush 9-4 job and to extra in form of commissions. even for getting into the lowest scale in a govt job, the person needs to shell out money.

reserving 3-5 seats out of 200/400 is bad? there are too many people here and too many seats. someone or another will always be left out no matter how hard he worked.

without bunking classes or anything how do you expect them to take part in tournaments? tournaments are not held in night or on holidays. they are held according to the sponsors wishes and the committee hosting it.

and even if the sports person didnt get any privileges, it wouldn't change anything. people who want to shove their work on other will do that always. the overworked bloke will always be there in any govt institution.

and not all sports people get training. i've heard of people spending their own money to get equipment and training from abroad. the govt doesn't even bother getting good trainers here. its just the old sports persons who won one or two medals training the newbies. (and this is the only sort of jobs these people get after their career comes to an end. no ads, nothing).
 
Lord Nemesis said:
^^And let their work burden be done taken over by some already overloaded bloke with gets a pittance for it and another bloke who is more qualified to do the job is jobless while the sportsperson is doing his training or acting in ads or whatever and making money in other ways. Most of them don't actually need those jobs, but they still get them.

The question is why should they get special privileges in anything other than sports? If they bunked school/college for sports why should they still get reservations in education and jobs while someone who worked hard for it is left in the soup. Let the govt sponsor their training costs or whatever directly rather than sacrifice some other bloke. Also I am not talking about private jobs, I am talking about the govt jobs getting which is a life and death question for some people.
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i completely agree with this. i've honestly never understood why this exists. to be fair though, most of these privileges are reserved for cricketers only but still... what sense does it make?

right now dhoni is getting his graduate degree from some college in patna right? i really hope he hasn't taken up the slot of someone who actually deserved it. dhoni is a professional cricketer who never attends any college. if anyone else tried that, would they be able to graduate like this man is going to? it cheapens the value of the degree and undermines the work that others do to get it. and this isn't even the worst, because at the end, it's just dhoni fooling himself.

when these cricketers take jobs, that's just too much. they are picking up a salary for doing absolutely nothing at all. they work mostly in the public sector, like banks or air india or something. is there anyone who really believes they need the money? and likewise, is there anyone who really believes that it would not be better to give that job to someone who needs it, who would actually work at the job and justify his salary?

even for other sportspersons, guaranteed jobs are bs. when you make the argument that they need time to train/practice and money needs to be spent on equipment etc, that's the government's job (more specifically, the sports federations). just because the govt. fails at providing these facilities, it doesn't justify this practice where people can't get jobs because sportspersons are too busy sitting on them. someone mentions that when political clout/bribery are used for reservations, why shouldn't this be allowed? mate, both are wrong. one bad thing doesn't justify the other.
 
It isn't as easy to succeed in sports as it is to get a govt job. In that respect, sports people are way more qualified than the typical government employee. Of course a solution would be to have SAI function as a psu that generates some form of revenue which goes back to funding sports but that is never going to happen. So the other organisations have to take the burden. As simple as that.
 
chiron said:
It isn't as easy to succeed in sports as it is to get a govt job. In that respect, sports people are way more qualified than the typical government employee. Of course a solution would be to have SAI function as a psu that generates some form of revenue which goes back to funding sports but that is never going to happen. So the other organisations have to take the burden. As simple as that.
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so basically what you're saying is that it's perfectly acceptable for a sportsperson to get a free ride and a salary for doing nothing while the person who actually needs/deserves the job and would work for his wages should get screwed.
 
Why are sports way more qualified. sports are for fun/relaxing/exercising, so why are sports a question of national pride. The country is not going to die if those people did not participate and win medals.

If sportsmen chose to take sports seriously, its their choice, they are supposed to fund themselves. If I am going into some field, I spend my own money for it, not at someone else's expense. There are elites in every field, being an elite in sports does not really warrant special privileges at some poor blokes expense. no one else is getting any. People at the top of a field deserves respect, they may even deserve special favors, but definitely not at the expense of undermining someone else's hard work.

As for reservations, I definitely have a problem with even 5~6 reservations out of 300~400 seats. I have a problem with reservation of even one 1 seat. In fact I have a problem with the reservation system in education/jobs. People here who already have a good college seat/ high paying job may not understand how Important it may be for some people to get that govt job/college seat. There are many poor people who strive hard, do the best they can in what ever limited resources they have only to find that they could not get that college seat/job because of such reservations. Try telling someone who worked hard for that college seat/job that some other bloke who bunked school/college is going to get it just because he is good at sports.

In fact would anyone here be fine if you are fired from your high paying job so that it can be given to your favorite cricketer or some other random sportsman even though they barely managed pass college and not all qualified for the job and you know for a fact that they are not even going to have to work.
 
For sports, especially track and field events most of the people go through sports school which basically cripples them in terms of academics as those hardly concentrate on that. Generally people who are gifted physically don't perform well in academics. Additionally, there is also lack of competition since there aren't people who are exclusively going to be studying for their exams. However, this kind of schooling is absolutely necessary to compete in the national and international levels.

Do you really think that our academic evaluation system is flawless and not biased towards people who got into more reputed schools and coaching systems etc? How much chance does a person from rural background have in getting into an IIT. Heck, it is probably out of reach even for persons from smaller cities etc. By your logic everything becomes equal inside the exam hall, regardless of the opportunities.

So yes, I feel that as long as it is our country's policy to promote sports (especially track and field events) then it also has to provide some kind financial incentive for it. I don't think that the sportsperson is taking the job away from another person, rather that is a position created for them. If there was no sports quota there would probably be fewer posts. I'm not saying that this system is a great solution (just as everything in India some people will take unfair advantage of the privileges offered but that is in our nature) but it isn't as bad as you guys are making it out to be either. Even overseas, universities offer sports scholarships so there must be some reasoning to it.
 
^^ When governments stop over emphasizing on sports as a form of war though which a countries dominance over others can be displayed, there wouldn't be need for creating those special sports scholarships. If financial incentives are to be given they can be given in forms other than though special privileges like reservations.

If schooling and college degree are required for competing in sports, then just let the govt give them the degree by default. (considering that reserving seats is a joke anyway) Those people are not going to take studies seriously in any case (if they did, they wouldn't need reservations), so whats the point of reserving a seat and deny someone else the chance. Also you are mistaken if you think additional jobs/college seats are created to accommodate those reservations. I am not talking about all this just like that, I have seen this unfairness in action myself.
 
If another employee has to take do the work of the person from sports quota then that is the fault of the upper management more than anything else. However, I agree that as far as sports go, there is no doubt that events like Olympics or Commonwealth etc are nothing more than white elephants in terms of finances of the host city and the nation as a whole.
 
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