You might wanna wait a bit on the LANParty UT RDX200. Initial testing has shown that the board isnt overclocking too well, hopefully this should be solved with a BIOS update.
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anyone, any suggestions about the following:
the DFI LANParty UT RDX200 [http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2572&p=3] specs state that the compatible speeds are DDR200, 240, 266, 280, 300, 333, 360, 400 (433, 466, 500 with Rev. E AMD) on newegg. the RAM that i plan to buy is Crucial Ballistix 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory Model BL12864L503. both would be compatible, right?? just confirming. would there be any issues later on??
also, the m/b is DFI LANParty UT RDX200 ATI's Crossfire AMD for the Bleeding Edge. and i just plan for one single ATI Radeon X1800 XL or XT 256MB. here again, i hope there would not be any issues.
i would really appreciate the help.
the DFI LANParty UT RDX200 [http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2572&p=3] specs state that the compatible speeds are DDR200, 240, 266, 280, 300, 333, 360, 400 (433, 466, 500 with Rev. E AMD) on newegg. the RAM that i plan to buy is Crucial Ballistix 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory Model BL12864L503. both would be compatible, right?? just confirming. would there be any issues later on??
also, the m/b is DFI LANParty UT RDX200 ATI's Crossfire AMD for the Bleeding Edge. and i just plan for one single ATI Radeon X1800 XL or XT 256MB. here again, i hope there would not be any issues.
i would really appreciate the help.
regarding the DFI NF4 mobo, here are a few. please help me out here.Nikhil said:
DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-DR (163.00/-)
DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-D (167.00/-)
DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR (189/-) (compatible with Sempron too??)
DFI LanParty UT RDX200 (200/-)
what's the difference between the first 3?? would the first 3 be compatible with the AMD X2 series?? is it that they are compatible with the Sempron too??
the other mobo that i have seen is the
Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe: NVIDIA Dual x16 for the Athlon 64 (250/-)
any comments anyone on the doubts?? thanks.
Freaky
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Leave the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe outta the equation - Not worth it. As for the DFI's the first is an SLI board in the UT series and the next is a normal NF4 board in the same series. The third is an SLI board but has more accessories than the UT SLI board. The difference between the UT and the Non-UT is that the Non-UT boards have more accessories.
zhopudey
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Since you are buying an ATI card, SLI is of no use to you. So got for the nf4 Ultra-D.
The diff between SLI-D and SLI-DR is onboard raid solutions. (I think)
The non-UT SLI-DR is the most expensive of the lot, as it comes with lots of goodies, like a lan carring case, a front-panel diagnostix utility, case stickers, etc.
Apart from these, all lanparty nf4 boards are absolutely same.
The diff between SLI-D and SLI-DR is onboard raid solutions. (I think)
The non-UT SLI-DR is the most expensive of the lot, as it comes with lots of goodies, like a lan carring case, a front-panel diagnostix utility, case stickers, etc.
Apart from these, all lanparty nf4 boards are absolutely same.
zhopudey said:
differences:
REF: http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=372165
LanParty nF4 SLI-DR: Dual RAID (nVidia and sil3114), SLI, FrontX, and LED Connector
LanParty UT nF4 SLI-DR: Dual RAID (nVidia and sil3114) and SLI
Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-D: RAID 0/1 (nVidia) and SLI
LanParty UT nF4 Ultra-DR: Dual RAID (nVidia and sil3114) but No SLI
LanParty UT nF4 Ultra-D: RAID 0/1 (nVidia) but No SLI
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i have decided on the motherboard with help from zhopudey. (thanks)
DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD
Motherboard - Retail
regarding the RAM, someone on anandtech recommended the following over the
Crucial Ballistix 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory
desc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146549
Timing 3-4-4-8, voltage 2.8V
OCZ 1GBPlatinum Series with Enhanced Bandwidth technology (EB) 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory Model OCZ5001024EBPE - Retail
desc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227224
Timing 3-3-2-8
the links describe the products on the newegg. as far the price goes, there's little difference with the crucial a bit costlier. the difference is the timing. any other differences?? how does it matter?? i'm still inclined towards Crucial Ballistix.
Crucial Ballistix 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory
desc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146549
Timing 3-4-4-8, voltage 2.8V
OCZ 1GBPlatinum Series with Enhanced Bandwidth technology (EB) 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000) Unbuffered System Memory Model OCZ5001024EBPE - Retail
desc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227224
Timing 3-3-2-8
the links describe the products on the newegg. as far the price goes, there's little difference with the crucial a bit costlier. the difference is the timing. any other differences?? how does it matter?? i'm still inclined towards Crucial Ballistix.
Ballistix: 3-4-4-8
OCZ: 3-3-2-8
(CAS/tRCD/tRPD/tRAS)
just read that tRCD is not that important. but tRPD is.
tRPD:
"Also known as RAS Precharge, this is the amount of time it takes for memory to terminate the access in one row and begin another. To put it simply, after data is set to the pins and activates tRAS, then RAS, tRCD, and CAS; the memory needs to terminate its current row and start all over at tRAS. This is the very basic function of how memory works. This is only an important setting when you're doing massive shifting in data, for example - working with large virtual buffers or video rendering. At that point, several rows are being consumed by a single program, and its advantageous for the program to be able to switch quickly between these rows."
REF: http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=377&Itemid=0&limit=1&limitstart=2
so i guess, OCZ has an edge over ballistix. btw, there are not comparison reviews for the 1GB sticks ballistix and OCZ PC4000.
OCZ: 3-3-2-8
(CAS/tRCD/tRPD/tRAS)
just read that tRCD is not that important. but tRPD is.
tRPD:
"Also known as RAS Precharge, this is the amount of time it takes for memory to terminate the access in one row and begin another. To put it simply, after data is set to the pins and activates tRAS, then RAS, tRCD, and CAS; the memory needs to terminate its current row and start all over at tRAS. This is the very basic function of how memory works. This is only an important setting when you're doing massive shifting in data, for example - working with large virtual buffers or video rendering. At that point, several rows are being consumed by a single program, and its advantageous for the program to be able to switch quickly between these rows."
REF: http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=377&Itemid=0&limit=1&limitstart=2
so i guess, OCZ has an edge over ballistix. btw, there are not comparison reviews for the 1GB sticks ballistix and OCZ PC4000.
Aces170 said:
regarding the RAM, there are no comparison reviews yet for the ballistix and OCZ - 1GB, PC4000.
memory timings are in the format: CAS/tRCD/tRPD/tRAS
tRCD doesnt matter so much. but, tRPD matters.
so, i guess OCZ has an edge.
REF: http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=377&Itemid=0
a lot of people are recommending for the dual core opteron 165, 1.8GHz, IMB cache since it's very stable after o/cing. it's available for $278.
"Opteron 165 is a Dual Core 1MB Cache Socket 939 chip running at 1.8 ghz. It is almost guaranteed to overclock to 2.6ghz. It goes for $299. None but the highest X2s have a chance of matching this, they run for $500+".
any suggestions??
AMD Processor Pricing
Effective October 31, 2005
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html
"Opteron 165 is a Dual Core 1MB Cache Socket 939 chip running at 1.8 ghz. It is almost guaranteed to overclock to 2.6ghz. It goes for $299. None but the highest X2s have a chance of matching this, they run for $500+".
any suggestions??
AMD Processor Pricing
Effective October 31, 2005
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html
- If you plan on using ATI's Crossfire, you could go with the Crossfire board. The Crossfire board results are currently a mixed bag ,with some doing well and some just not going forward. You could just stick to the *tried and tested* nF4 Ultra-D board.
- The OCZ EL Plat 2 x 512MB sticks have a proven track record for overclocking because they were based on Samsung TCCD/TCC5. When it comes to 1gig sticks, its a whole new ball game - TCCD/TCC5 does NOT exist in 1GB sticks, so you cannot compare the two.
From what I gather from the DFI forums, the OCZ DDR500 (PC4000) EB 2 x 1GB sticks you pointed out are based on some infineon chips and can go as high as 275 ~ 290Mhz.
Also check out this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67762
Its no coincidence that almost all the top overclocks are using Crucial Ballistix. Even the new Crossfire boards apparently work best with Crucial Ballistix alone.
From what I see, both the Crucial Ballistix and the OCZ PC4000 EB series are fine, you should be ok with either.
- The dual-core opteron 165 is a nice choice, and I had pointed it out a couple of days back. For starters the Opterons are good overclockers, and they come with 2 x 1MB of L2 cache as well which is a definate plus point. Getting a dual-core with 2 x 1MB of L2 cache at this price point is definately cheap , the overclocking is an added bonus !
@Aces : Deej had picked up the Opteron 146. Only certain steppings of these models (CABNE AFAIK) are said to be based on the FX core, the other steppings are based on regular San Diego cores. These Dual-core Opty's have nothing to do with FX cores at all !
- The OCZ EL Plat 2 x 512MB sticks have a proven track record for overclocking because they were based on Samsung TCCD/TCC5. When it comes to 1gig sticks, its a whole new ball game - TCCD/TCC5 does NOT exist in 1GB sticks, so you cannot compare the two.
From what I gather from the DFI forums, the OCZ DDR500 (PC4000) EB 2 x 1GB sticks you pointed out are based on some infineon chips and can go as high as 275 ~ 290Mhz.
Also check out this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67762
Its no coincidence that almost all the top overclocks are using Crucial Ballistix. Even the new Crossfire boards apparently work best with Crucial Ballistix alone.
From what I see, both the Crucial Ballistix and the OCZ PC4000 EB series are fine, you should be ok with either.
- The dual-core opteron 165 is a nice choice, and I had pointed it out a couple of days back. For starters the Opterons are good overclockers, and they come with 2 x 1MB of L2 cache as well which is a definate plus point. Getting a dual-core with 2 x 1MB of L2 cache at this price point is definately cheap , the overclocking is an added bonus !
@Aces : Deej had picked up the Opteron 146. Only certain steppings of these models (CABNE AFAIK) are said to be based on the FX core, the other steppings are based on regular San Diego cores. These Dual-core Opty's have nothing to do with FX cores at all !
Well between the OCZ EB and Crucial Ballistix, its ballistix no question. Even though they are rated at 3-4-4@500, 99% of them will do 3-3-3@600 if your memory controller is upto it. It is also the only chip that'll do 2-2-2 timings @DDR400. About the chip, go for the opteron 165. There's nothing better than that at around that price!
Aces170 said:
AMD OPTERON 165 1.8GHZ DUAL CORE W/1MB X 2 CACHE 90NM 64-BIT SOCKET 939 RETAIL BOXED W/COOLING FAN (3 YEARS WARRANTY)
seems to be a steal, yes. the above piece is available at just 300/-. it has L2 2MB, 1.8GHz. this would be way better than the X2 3800+, L2 1MB, 2.0Ghz. If i learn how to o/c later, the opteron 165 would be a great one. it's also known for it's stability for o/cing.
now, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this opteron 165, skt 939 would be okay for the DFI LP UT nF4 Ultra-D m/b.
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