No one killed Justice Loya

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My bad, I thought the comment was aimed at me and was wondering why.

Anyway, the number of fake investigations, agitations and cases on this government is mind boggling. This is just one of them. And the list is endless. And everyone of them die a natural death after some election. Have you ever wondered why?

For eg: Drugs in Punjab....nobody cares anymore. Why? Election is over and the hit job was successful. And Kejriwal apologises to everyone who he "thought" was part of this drug trade. End of story.
Has anything changed?

Anyway, I come here for the tech, not to talk politics. Have enough of that in the real world. Best of luck following your conspiracy theories.
You conveniently forgot the agitation led by today's ministers for petrol price and rapes against upa govt.
@nd the name calling, abuses, filthy memes ( 50 cr ki girlfriend. Italian bar dancer, jersey cow bachda) just to name a few.
And the 1,76,000 crore loss to nation ? Where us that rai now ? Heading some govt thing.
A SC chief justice gave clean chit to shah _ governor of a state now
A SIT chief who absolved feku of carnage ? He Is a ambassador to some country
 
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When 2g verdict came out bhakts were heart broken and same ppl rejoicing when kidnani was absolved.
Will cbi go to higher court to challenge it like they are going to challenge 2g verdict.
NO. So why not
 
Wow, so a person cannoth have a point of view
They can and they should take it with them to white utopia.
R/india is already doomed with self haters who left but didn't actually leave the community and use the platform to spew hate, now this site is turning into same.
 

Mumbai: Family members of the late special CBI judge B.H. Loya said Thursday’s Supreme Court decision rejecting the demand for an independent investigation into his death had extinguished their hopes of closure and “everything seemed managed”.

Was thinking of the sentiment Narasimha Rao's family had when he was refused a funeral in Delhi and had to be settled in his home state of Andhra

Narasimha is the second most consequential PM India had. Too bad his party doesn't want that impression to take hold.

Life can be unfair some times and so too death


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i am planning migration to Europe by next year.i can't live in such a society.
hehe you remind me of some americans these days
 
And the 1,76,000 crore loss to nation ? Where us that rai now ? Heading some govt thing.
Presumptive losses not substantive as Manish Tiwari repeatedly said

Tell me you want to pay more for mobile use? If the govt gives out spectrum for less its because they want it to take off and that cannot happen if cost to the user is expensive. because the telcos will just pass on the cost like with everything else

Since the idiots complained that spectrum must be expensive, it is expensive and now we can't get the speeds we wuld have got at affordable prices because some people think govt must get its taxes.

Who are these people i wonder. Are they the ones who depend on the govt for handouts. Less taxes means less handouts isn't it.
 
...Anyway, the number of fake investigations, agitations and cases on this government is mind boggling. This is just one of them. And the list is endless. And everyone of them die a natural death after some election. Have you ever wondered why?....

Errr, maybe because they aren't fake? It doesn't matter what the official story is, govts. lie all the time. In all countries. But if enough people know the truth, there will be a hue and cry about it. The way you people talk, it's like the BJP is infallible and is never capable of lies or doing wrong. And therefore every allegation against them is fake.
 
Was thinking of the sentiment Narasimha Rao's family had when he was refused a funeral in Delhi and had to be settled in his home state of Andhra

Narasimha is the second most consequential PM India had. Too bad his party doesn't want that impression to take hold.

Life can be unfair some times and so too death

Classic disguised whataboutery. Wonder if you'll be this lenient if it was someone close to you. If you fall off a flight of stairs out of just bad luck, then yes, "life can be unfair sometimes". If you get murdered by the ruling party's second in command, then its a Criminal conspiracy against the court, Obstruction of justice and a Premeditated Murder
 
Not whataboutery, just saying there can be other reasons than the ones being promoted

I've not gone int the details of this case

if the court refuses then are their reasons valid ?
 
Not whataboutery, just saying there can be other reasons than the ones being promoted

I've not gone int the details of this case

if the court refuses then are their reasons valid ?
It is whataboutery when you try to normalize a situation, using a completely different situation in a totally different time.

Depends.
1) A judge is killed, right after he gets handed the case of shah, who has a history of being a murderous. The case has already gone through multiple judges.
2) The death happens in very shady circumstances.
3) Botched medical care, botched post-mortem. There is nothing about the case that is normal. Every aspect has been contested.

In these situations, wouldn't you atleast want an INQUIRY ?
 
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Bad analogy then but any reason can be offered in this case then isn't it given there are so many holes, including it could be a natural death

I remember that British cricket coach that died on tour with Pakistan. Nobody would accept any of the independent medical reports that said it was a natural death. No, it was definitely a hit job by the bookies. You just KNOW these things

Have your inquiry
 
It is whataboutery when you try to normalize a situation, using a completely different situation in a totally different time.

Depends.
1) A judge is killed, right after he gets handed the case of shah, who has a history of being a murderous. The case has already gone through multiple judges.
2) The death happens in very shady circumstances.
3) Botched medical care, botched post-mortem. There is nothing about the case that is normal. Every aspect has been contested.

In these situations, wouldn't you atleast want an INQUIRY ?
First judge gets transferred.
Second one gets killed
Third judge passes verdict of not guilty.
 
Errr, maybe because they aren't fake? It doesn't matter what the official story is, govts. lie all the time. In all countries. But if enough people know the truth, there will be a hue and cry about it. The way you people talk, it's like the BJP is infallible and is never capable of lies or doing wrong. And therefore every allegation against them is fake.

Not saying shit does not happen and no one is infallible.

But the way you people talk its like you were very happy with the Congress and would be happier if they came back to power. The Congress party is the single biggest reason for the way the country is today. Whether it be politics, crime and safety, natural resources, naxals, infrastructure, education, terrorist strikes and thousands of other issues we face everyday. The INC, even today runs the policy of divide and rule. All the agitations in the last few years have been fostered under their care. When Modi or any other BJP guy called Raga Pappu or SoGa something else did people die? But when INC started all these agitations people died and property was destroyed....and for what? To create unrest in the country? And divide people? Kejriwal gives money to a rapist who has been released as he is a minor and thats ok. Mamta is sitting in Delhi and trying to cobble together a 3rd front or whatever while there are mass scale riots in Bengal...but thats ok. Number of farmer and IAS/IPS officers dying under INC Karnataka is ok....10's of people killed in broad daylight in kerala, thats also ok....Why????

Because people like you are ok with it only because its Anti Modi/ Anti Hindu or whatever is in your mind. And these are not stories that your venerated caravan like to "investigate". Again why??

Software capital of India does not have water, roads or electricity. We run a unit in Karnataka and till today we have to do one shift on generator. Its the one location where we have to pay the highest bribes. Whereas we face very few such issue in all the other locations. There is not a single department in Kar which works without money.

I work in an industry where there is a lot of government interface and I work for the department which interfaces with the government. For the first time in 15 years, I see people working from the government and not just taking naps and having tea. Is this not a big change? Earlier whenever we had some work there was always something asked for it. And I am not talking about us asking for favors, but us asking for our rights. Moving a file from one officers desk to another was a time consuming and expensive job. Now, in most of the departments they have to clear the files otherwise give reasons as to why it was not done.

And by the way @chetansha judges get transferred all the time. We have fought cases where there have been 4-5 changes of judges in 10 years. Dont search for a conspiracy theory all the time.

Anyway, this is my last post on this topic because I know that it makes no sense to be discussing these things. I come here to relax and enjoy the tech stuff and maybe buy a few things once in a way. Not to sit and explain my thought process and discuss politics. Theres more than enough of that in the real world. So goodbye and have a nice day.
 
...When Modi or any other BJP guy called Raga Pappu or SoGa something else did people die?...

Guess you were sleeping when all the BJP promoted hate murders happened then. And are still happening. Not to mention censorship of the media. And severe restrictions on honest cops etc. who are trying to follow the law and stop bjp goons from running wild.
 
Not saying shit does not happen and no one is infallible.

But the way you people talk its like you were very happy with the Congress and would be happier if they came back to power.

Why would you assume that if someone is speaking against the current government, then they naturally have to be supporters of INC.

There are people like me and many others on this forum, who are equally unhappy with all parties as most of the politicians in our country don't work for the betterment of our country.
Just because someone is doing a better job than someone else, is just not good enough for me.

The way I see it, there is no need to praise someone if they are doing their jobs properly. It is however, a citizen's duty in a democracy, to call out and ask questions when things are not being done lawfully. But suddenly, it's the other way around. We should just praise BJP and not call them out on issues where they are blatantly in the wrong just because they are doing their job half of the time.

Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it for me. They are being paid to do their job and if they can't get enough satisfaction out of the fact that they are doing something for the country and instead need crores to spend on themselves then why don't they just go and run a business and leave the running of the country in the hands of people who have the passion to do so.

I don't know of one law being passed by this govt which makes it easy to hold politicians and beureaucrats responsible if they are not doing their job properly. Instead of increasing scrutiny and passing strict accountability laws, they go ahead and pass laws which allow them to dismiss cases which are running in court.

Mr. Modi himself, used to taunt Manmohan Singh for not saying anything and now he himself keeps quiet and not address the nation when serious crimes happen.

How can people keep on supporting a hypocrite like that? And how can his supporters be bigger hypocrites and keep supporting him when he has taken such a U turn on all the things he promised in his pre-election speeches.
 
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Mr. Modi himself, used to taunt Manmohan Singh for not saying anything and now he himself keeps quiet and not address the nation when serious crimes happen.

How can people keep on supporting a hypocrite like that?

Curious as to how you got that impression. Heard it recently from some one else and wondering whether you read or heard the same somewhere if so what. Was this kathua case the turning point

people have been demanding he say something ever since he got elected but it was always slow in coming and there are reasons. Can't react to everything, applies to MMS as well

The opposition is always going to charge it isn't enough that's a given
 
Curious as to how you got that impression. Heard it recently from some one else and wondering whether you read or heard the same somewhere if so what. Was this kathua case the turning point

people have been demanding he say something ever since he got elected but it was always slow in coming and there are reasons. Can't react to everything, applies to MMS as well

The opposition is always going to charge it isn't enough that's a given

A) If he knew that a Prime Minister can't just come and speak out on every matter, especially if it is an ongoing investigation of a crime, then why did he point out the same in case of MMS.
Wouldn't you call that hypocrisy. If Modi is right in not coming to the dais on every small thing, then so was MMS and then Modi is a hypocrite for calling MMS out on this issue when he was planning to do the same hinself.

B) As I have mentioned above, my main contention with him has been his failure to bring in new laws which would increase transparency and accountability for people running our country.

C) For someone who had promised generation of so many jobs, he hasn't improved the condition of even the current job holders and laborers who still can't get paid the minimum wage set by the government.
Firstly, he shouldn't have lied and promised so many jobs, when it wasn't possible. But after that he could have at least strengthened the current labor laws and see to it that they are enforced properly.
The govt itself flouts these labor laws. Nearly every small govt job entails being a on-contract, on-probation period. In that period, the govt itself doesn't pay those employees the wages that they are entitled to at that post.
What's even worse is that there is no guarantee that you would ever get instated at the post. I see teachers who have now been working 15 years at the on-contract wages and hoping they will be made pucca one day. Their on-contract salaries stand at 7k a month. That's half of what a daily wage masoner gets paid in a month.
This isn't something new.
My father fought a case against his employer, IDBI, early in his career, where he raised this same point in the 90s. He himself was an officer and so had nothing to worry about. But he saw the plight of people who were under him and asked the bank, 'Why were these people still on-probation even after 10 years of service'.
The bank employed the services of Kapil Sibbal to try and justify their actions, but in the end, had to draft an internal policy and give proper posts and remuneration to all Class 4 employees of the bank.
However, the same is not true anymore as they have found a loophole and now outsource these jobs to another organization and hence save money and not get their hands dirty. These Class 4 office boys only get paid 4-5k a month while the company charges the bank 7-8k for them. These are the same people who happily transferred thousands of crores to Vijay Mallya's offshore accounts.

These are just a few points, which I feel, make him a hypocrite. Don't even get me started about projects like Swachh Bharat and Cleaning of Ganga.

They don't formulate strict laws and not even enforce the present laws properly enough on industries which continue to pollute our air, our rivers and our ground water. If we don't take strict action and formulate new policies, with regards to forests, rivers and ground water, we will be very soon facing the wrath of mother nature and the irony is that these people will still survive in their palaces while the common man ends up paying the price.
 
...then Modi is a hypocrite....

This line sums it up. Proof below:

8 Apr 2014: https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/453543852175925248

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16 Jul 2016: https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/754325750937858048

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28 Nov 2016: https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/803482677135474688

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27 Jan 2018: https://twitter.com/pmoindia/status/957522560437993472

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A) If he knew that a Prime Minister can't just come and speak out on every matter, especially if it is an ongoing investigation of a crime, then why did he point out the same in case of MMS.
Wouldn't you call that hypocrisy. If Modi is right in not coming to the dais on every small thing, then so was MMS and then Modi is a hypocrite for calling MMS out on this issue when he was planning to do the same hinself.

B) As I have mentioned above, my main contention with him has been his failure to bring in new laws which would increase transparency and accountability for people running our country.

C) For someone who had promised generation of so many jobs, he hasn't improved the condition of even the current job holders and laborers who still can't get paid the minimum wage set by the government.
Firstly, he shouldn't have lied and promised so many jobs, when it wasn't possible. But after that he could have at least strengthened the current labor laws and see to it that they are enforced properly.
The govt itself flouts these labor laws. Nearly every small govt job entails being a on-contract, on-probation period. In that period, the govt itself doesn't pay those employees the wages that they are entitled to at that post.
What's even worse is that there is no guarantee that you would ever get instated at the post. I see teachers who have now been working 15 years at the on-contract wages and hoping they will be made pucca one day. Their on-contract salaries stand at 7k a month. That's half of what a daily wage masoner gets paid in a month.
This isn't something new.
My father fought a case against his employer, IDBI, early in his career, where he raised this same point in the 90s. He himself was an officer and so had nothing to worry about. But he saw the plight of people who were under him and asked the bank, 'Why were these people still on-probation even after 10 years of service'.
The bank employed the services of Kapil Sibbal to try and justify their actions, but in the end, had to draft an internal policy and give proper posts and remuneration to all Class 4 employees of the bank.
However, the same is not true anymore as they have found a loophole and now outsource these jobs to another organization and hence save money and not get their hands dirty. These Class 4 office boys only get paid 4-5k a month while the company charges the bank 7-8k for them. These are the same people who happily transferred thousands of crores to Vijay Mallya's offshore accounts.

These are just a few points, which I feel, make him a hypocrite. Don't even get me started about projects like Swachh Bharat and Cleaning of Ganga.

They don't formulate strict laws and not even enforce the present laws properly enough on industries which continue to pollute our air, our rivers and our ground water. If we don't take strict action and formulate new policies, with regards to forests, rivers and ground water, we will be very soon facing the wrath of mother nature and the irony is that these people will still survive in their palaces while the common man ends up paying the price.

Will reply briefly around the contours of what you said

A) i don't pay much attention to what any opposition says because they don't make policy. I'd rather understand said policy before knocking it and that isn't the easiest thing to figure out

B) Even with a 288 majority some fights are just too hard. Labour laws is a case in point. he couldn't get his own outfits on board for that. Land reform is another.

C) Take GST, how hard was that to do. Every govt since 2003 has agreed GST is a good idea. It is like India having an FTA with itself. See how long it took to pull off. I don't have a problem with promises, they are aspirational. Whether feasible or not, there is an effort being made.

Expectations in the end have to be realistic.
 
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