No one killed Justice Loya

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haha, nice to see sources being posted here

I don't believe any govt would not implement aadhar. All would.

There was the matter of bringing the dollar exchange rate down to 37 for the dollar[DOUBLEPOST=1524303341][/DOUBLEPOST]
what about election declarations/promises?
many were made, some delivered some not like any other

A lot of it is feel good, exploiting the mood at the end of the last govt
 
i all not aware which of elections promise of the ruling party has been fulfilled.
please name as many you can.
heh, i don't have an inventory but i have a positive impression given how the world talks about us. On that score the govt gets full marks. I didn't expect as a aggressive a diplomacy policy going by what the opposition said about Modi. That was the biggest surprise and is indicative of how wrong the opposition were about him. The govts that preceded him look so isolationist in comparison

Take defence. What can realistically be done given the lack of any action with the last govt. Nirmala made it clear that defense budgets don't roll over. So if anthony makes no decisions for years because he's afraid of yet another scam then expecting this govt to make up the backlog isn't realistic. She will use everything she has been allocated for the year. Won't make up for lost years. Things will be delayed as a result
 
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B) Even with a 288 majority some fights are just too hard. Labour laws is a case in point. he couldn't get his own outfits on board for that. Land reform is another.

Nobody asked him to become the face of BJP, if he can't even get them to vote for a law to be passed despite having a majority.
The election campaign should have revolved around the real candidates if he wasn't going to be able to control them.
Hell, he goes and campaigns for state elections. Someone who is voting for BJP in a state election is voting for Modi and then when they get to see that they are not going to get the governance benefits as promised, then they are bound to say bad things about Modi.

Why do only the expectations have to be realistic?
Haven't we had enough of that already?
Why don't they make realistic promises and then produce respectable results based on them instead?
Hell, I would like contracts to be drawn up before any minister takes a seat on what they would try to achieve and penalty clauses included in the contract on failure to achieve them.
That should be enough to get them back to ground realities and, for a change, only go for portfolios, where they have knowledge and interest.
 
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C) Take GST, how hard was that to do. Every govt since 2003 has agreed GST is a good idea. It is like India having an FTA with itself. See how long it took to pull off. I don't have a problem with promises, they are aspirational. Whether feasible or not, there is an effort being made.
Man, GST was a disaster. Dont use it as some sort of example. The practical implementation was so sad, its hilarious. And thats literally their contribution to GST, the practical implementation. Rest had already been ironed out. That shit portal still doesn't work well. There is a group of ministers, 9 months later still working on how to save the train wreck that is GST. No one cared to check if the portal was working. Warnings from Infosys were ignored that the portal will take another 6 months to be ready.

In essence these are a bunch of idiots incapable of doing anything. When things were going slow, atleast they weren't ****ing things up.



Expectations in the end have to be realistic.
Realistic expectations have to be set. People should absolutely hold you responsible to the promises you made. Its upto you to make realistic promises.
 
A) i don't pay much attention to what any opposition says because they don't make policy. I'd rather understand said policy before knocking it and that isn't the easiest thing to figure out


C) Take GST, how hard was that to do. Every govt since 2003 has agreed GST is a good idea. It is like India having an FTA with itself. See how long it took to pull off. I don't have a problem with promises, they are aspirational. Whether feasible or not, there is an effort being made.

But GST is policy made by INC.

And you're saying GST wasn't hard to implement? It was a herculean task to figure out a new tax policy that will cover country of 1.3 billion people from all walks of life.
Which BJP handled with your attitude (how hard was that to do) and magnificently bungled it.
 
http://www.livelaw.in/unanswered-questions-in-loya-case-verdict/

Why there was no proper inquest?

One of the main points urged by the petitioners to doubt the official version was that there was no proper inquest carried out on the dead body of Judge Loya in the manner provided in Section 174 of the Code of Criminal Procedure( Cr.P.C). The petitioners specifically pointed out that as per Section 174(1) Cr.P.C, the inquest of dead body has to be performed in the presence of Executive Magistrate. Though the police registered a case under Section 174, there was no intimation given to Executive Magistrate. Admittedly, the inquest was carried out by the police themselves, without informing the Executive Magistrate. Hence, the evidentiary value of the inquest report, which did not record any finding of bodily injuries, was called into question.

This was an important issue, as the inquest report was admittedly prepared without the presence of Executive Magistrate, resulting in the violation of Section 174 CrPC. Curiously, the information to Executive Magistrate(SDM Nagpur) was given only on 2nd February 2016, almost one year after the incident. This certainly raises the eyebrows of any reasonable person.

The curious appearance of Dr. Prashant Rathi

Thus, it is clear that Prasanth Rathi was a total stranger having no prior acquaintance with Judge Loya. Then how did he identify the body of Judge Loya before inquest and post-mortem? How did he claim the body of Judge Loya after post-mortem as a ‘relative’? This is a very fundamental fact raising several doubts, especially in the light of the fact that the first name of Judge Loya was mistakenly recorded in inquest and post-mortem reports as The petitioners had also specifically raised the contention that handing over of the body to Prasanth Rathi was illegal, as he was not a relative as defined in Section 176 of Cr.P.C.

Discrepancies in the medical bill of Meditrina Hospital

December 2014 contained charges for neurosurgery and diet consultation. How can such charges be levied if Judge Loya was brought dead to the hospital? What was the reason for billing under the head ‘neurosurgery’, if Loya died of cardiac arrest? In this backdrop, the alternate theory forwarded by petitioners regarding head injury assumes importance. The sister of Judge Loya, Anuradha Biyani had stated that she had found blood stains on the neck and back of the shirt in the dead body. The alternate expert opinion procured by Adv.Prasanth Bhushan suggested the possibility of head injury. In that backdrop , the entry regarding ‘neurosurgery’ was a circumstance requiring further probe.

The Legality of ‘Discreet enquiry’

‘Discreet enquiry’ is a contradiction in terms. Enquiry/investigation has to be open and transparent. The ‘discreet enquiry’ ordered by the State Government on November 23, 2017 and completed within five days by November 28, 2017, was carried out by the Commissioner of State Intelligence Department. There was question regarding the statutory backing of such a ‘discreet enquiry’. This ‘discreet enquiry’ was not carried out as per the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Under what provisions of law the statements of the judicial officers were taken? Which statute gives legal sanctity to such an enquiry? The SC settled all these issues with a bald statement that executive power of the state authorized such enquiry(Paragraph 42). But can such an enquiry report without the backing of legislation be admitted as evidence in Court? It is well-settled that investigation carried out by an officer who is not specifically authorised by statute is non-est in the eyes of law. However, these questions were not at all addressed.

Discrepancies regarding ECG report

The official version heavily relied on the ECG report prepared in Dande Hospital for stating that Judge Loya died of natural causes. Curiously, this ECG Report of Dande Hospital, where Loya was taken initially before Meditrina Hospital, was not produced in the Supreme Court proceedings.

Why the request for cross-examination was denied?

The petitioner’s request for cross-examining persons connected with the case- the doctors, judicial officers, police officers- was not taken in the right spirit by the Court. The Supreme Court treated the request with utmost hostility, as could be gathered from the seething rage contained in the words of judgement. The petitioner’s were seen as launching a “frontal assault” on judiciary.


In addition... there is the point that Justice Loya's phone was handed over to his family 3 days after his death after it was wiped clean and also not by the police, but by a person named "Ishwar Baheti".
 
Man, GST was a disaster. Dont use it as some sort of example. The practical implementation was so sad, its hilarious. And thats literally their contribution to GST, the practical implementation. Rest had already been ironed out. That shit portal still doesn't work well. There is a group of ministers, 9 months later still working on how to save the train wreck that is GST. No one cared to check if the portal was working. Warnings from Infosys were ignored that the portal will take another 6 months to be ready.

In essence these are a bunch of idiots incapable of doing anything. When things were going slow, atleast they weren't ****ing things up.
heh, your biggest complaint is the software portal doesn't work ?!?

A nationwide IT implementation is going to have hiccups. Guess what, they will be fixed with time as they throw in more resources.

Guy i spoke to didn't mention this but then his accountants deal with these issues. He's happy he doesn't pay taxes repeatedly.

I thought you had more serious objections. Why alcohol and fuel are excluded for instance when they shouldn't be.

Those are pretty big matters which will muddy the picture as to what benefits GST is supposed to offer. There was no way to get it passed otherwise because the states were afraid they would lose revenue. Jaitley says it will fix it itself over the years

The foreign press has been largely positive that GST has been implemented. This means easier for foreign companies to do business here. Finally India has caught up with the world

See, i don't think any govt could have done it better , the point is it got done vs not. How long have we been waiting. Vajpayee couldn't do it, UPA had no chance, Had the BJP less than 288 this would never have happened

All because they needed a constituonal amendment. People who think the constitution can easily be messed with to implement some hindu rashtra better take heed from this experience.[DOUBLEPOST=1524476398][/DOUBLEPOST]
But GST is policy made by INC.

And you're saying GST wasn't hard to implement? It was a herculean task to figure out a new tax policy that will cover country of 1.3 billion people from all walks of life.
Which BJP handled with your attitude (how hard was that to do) and magnificently bungled it.
No i sadi it was hard to implement and am touting it as a success for the BJP
 
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heh, your biggest complaint is the software portal doesn't work ?!?

A nationwide IT implementation is going to have hiccups. Guess what, they will be fixed with time as they throw in more resources.

Guy i spoke to didn't mention this but then his accountants deal with these issues. He's happy he doesn't pay taxes repeatedly.

I thought you had more serious objections. Why alcohol and fuel are excluded for instance when they shouldn't be.

The fact that they decided to torment the country with GST without the portal, which is the heart of GST, being even 50% ready, is not a big deal for you?
I dont think you have perspective on this issue. Share of exports in GDP slipped to 14-year low, cause of the portal issues and credit issues. You clearly dont understand even 10% of the issues. Petrol & all that are fine.

They literally had 1 job and they ****ed it up royally. They could have implimented it starting 1/4/18 and had a smooth going. Its unnecessary hassle, nothing else.
 
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The fact that they decided to torment the country with GST without the portal, which is the heart of GST, being even 50% ready, is not a big deal for you?
I dont think you have perspective on this issue. Share of exports in GDP slipped to 14-year low, cause of the portal issues and credit issues. You clearly dont understand even 10% of the issues. Petrol & all that are fine.

They literally had 1 job and they ****ed it up royally. They could have implimented it starting 1/4/18 and had a smooth going. Its unnecessary hassle, nothing else.
Why did they push it forward then to Jul lst year then if as you said Apr would have been better ?

As far as hassle goes that is inevitable isn't it. A change as major as this is going to have teething issues across the board whether now or last year
 
Why did they push it forward then to Jul lst year then if as you said Apr would have been better ?
April 2018, not 2017.


As far as hassle goes that is inevitable isn't it. A change as major as this is going to have teething issues across the board whether now or last year

That's a load of bullshit. If the preparation is good, like in every other country, big changes can also be done easily without any problem.
 
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April 2018, not 2017.
I'm asking why they brought it forward to Jul 2017 instead of pushing it back to Apr 2018 which would have been better according to you

They were in a rush. Had to be done at that time. What are the reasons

That's a load of bullshit. If the preparation is good, like in every other country, big changes can also be done easily without any problem.
Implication of what you've said is now it is fine. Isn't it ?

The implementation problems of last year are history. Who will remember them

I consider this minor in the grand scheme of things. Where it was either GST or no GST
 
I'm asking why they brought it forward to Jul 2017 instead of pushing it back to Apr 2018 which would have been better according to you

They were in a rush. Had to be done at that time. What are the reasons
Call up Modi and ask. The reason is simply political. They wanted to show it as an achievement and hence rushed and killed the economy.



Implication of what you've said is now it is fine. Isn't it ?

The implementation problems of last year are history. Who will remember them

I consider this minor in the grand scheme of things. Where it was either GST or no GST
No its not fine. its a shit storm still. 2/3 of the forms dont work. People have rejected most of the system, now they are scrambling to bring a new system. Read things up instead of trying to just improvise on replies. You are opinionating with out having any clue about whats going on
 
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