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So pragmatic wins over principle ?
Its not clear to me why this fight even happened. yadav, bhushan and ak are the public face of aap. and now there is just one.
[Politics] AAP wins Delhi election. AK set for CM for the next 5 years.
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Its not clear to me why this fight even happened. yadav, bhushan and ak are the public face of aap. and now there is just one.
toocool6600
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Lol, haha , hoho, whohoohoo, damn I also got it now........
now i get it.
We're blinded by illogical principles which are neither practical nor absolute. They're more of theories ; nobody can guarantee betterment of the society even if there's 100% adherence.
The point I want to make here, is, none of them if absolutely practiced; socialism, communism, capitalism, fascism or complete free society can give a satisfactory & progressive democracy.
We need to get to the right blend of all these elements in a democracy to get what we're expecting (including some amount of corruption too) .
Since none of us really knows the right answer (blend) , we stick with something which suits us or preach something which worked in some other society.
So let's have a open mind, the other parties which we are currently comparing are nearly 20times older than AAP. Both Congress & BJP have their fan base, Sponsor's , media support and Nexus with hooligans in a well organized manner. They are powerful lobbyists supported by our business fraternity for their own good.
AAP is a infant in this democracy, it'll have its share of falls, humiliation before it matures. In this process if they achieve even 35% of what they preach it's an achievement. Because realistically achievable percentage in any principle is never above 50%.
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ok, so what exactly are they fighting over, the descriptions are very vague, got any specifics ?
is this some internal ideological fight, a power fight ? what ?
AAP strikes me as a centre left party, the space that Congress occupied is being eroded so in comes AAP in Delhi.
Yadav being the prof is the ideologue. Bhushan was IAC's attack dog, the business end. His father and sister are instrumental too. AK is the mouth the 'make it all work' guy.
INC founded in 1885, BJP in 1980. A lot of regional parties got their start in the 80s.
That's my criteria for Modi too.[DOUBLEPOST=1427648247][/DOUBLEPOST]
There is no power struggle going on in the BJP. Advani was sidelined earlier and with it the old guard as well, that was a good move. Any one thinking this BJP will be like last does not know this one and is going to be disappointed.
now i get it.
Modi has to restore the primacy of the PMO's office. It was much diminished in the previous administration. Then nobody cared if the PM said anything. Now we have a PM. somebody people will listen to and that is his weak point. He's only relevant so long as he has the ear of the people. In which case he is no authoritarian.
Maybe AAP has a crisis of leadership, speaking in many voices, so this is a consolidation process. Generally speaking that is not a democratic transition as opposed to openly authoritarian . But its necessary to move forward. That is what little i can get in the absence of any detailed info.
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BJP officially formed in 1980, but those who made it were seasoned politicians, in active politics since 1960.
AAP is just 2 and half years old, none of the main leaders were in active politics before. So they're relatively inexperienced in running a political party. So they aren't experienced enough to manage Fringe elements, media reporting and traitors.
That's why smallest of intra party issues are unduly leaked to media, their spokespersons further damage the party image. This all shows lack of experience in running a political party at a national level.
Yes, it's a power struggle, what else it can be. Kejri group a political majority wanted to get rid of those two. Whether they indulged in anti party activities or not needs further information. But, the slapping incidents before loksabha elections mostly has relations with it.
A leader who's not power hungry, not selfish can't achieve anything is useless , our last PM is a glaring example. I don't consider it's wrong to be selfish or personally ambitious in politics. A selfish person can desire and achieve something for his country men. Even Gandhiji was & even Modiji is. I feel all those altruism is just preaching.
Power is very important in politics, you have to be in power to get things done, the way you want. Had AAP not been in power in Delhi, do you think anybody would've bothered ousting of Yadav and Bhushan?
I think of Kejrival as Steve Jobs of AAP, he's as good or as bad as Steve Jobs. He's equally talented, convicted and has a clear vision of what he wants in next 5yrs. I would like to give him at least 5yrs before concluding.
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The thing i don't get about power struggle is i never heard of Yadav or Bhushan wanting power. These two aren't politicians, they're technocrats. maybe disagreements over future direction that were irreconcilable which then leads to factionalism and the question of who is in charge becomes more prominent. So reduce the sources of confusion and move on. AK broke with Hazare, that guy was as intransigent as ever. Delhi gave him a second chance. An impossible win.
Now that i think about it Yadav always publically spoke of AAP in the way he envisioned it to be , he created an impression that may not be true any more, what he said earlier is no longer valid. There will be new directions. This will take a few more months to become evident.
Now the job is to be a party with a difference instead of just another regional party. Delhi is waiting.
When it comes to ideology, the only people that have any are the commies. Everybody else is an opportunist. A nod to the left here, to the right there. Just get out there , say something and be noticed.
Now that i think about it Yadav always publically spoke of AAP in the way he envisioned it to be , he created an impression that may not be true any more, what he said earlier is no longer valid. There will be new directions. This will take a few more months to become evident.
Now the job is to be a party with a difference instead of just another regional party. Delhi is waiting.
When it comes to ideology, the only people that have any are the commies. Everybody else is an opportunist. A nod to the left here, to the right there. Just get out there , say something and be noticed.
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Party Monger
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Both PB and YY are great in their own roles, but they do nothing to help you win elections. YY couldnt even handle Haryana. So when these great people want to make political strategy its hard to accommodate them as they are basically political-deadweight. I think AK tried to reason with them, and in that audio clip he says that they dont have demands per se, they are bargaining for more power, even after when their initial demands were met.
Its not hard to understand if you have ever lead a team. A person who is great in one area wants his opinion heard in other areas, when it fails, they still want to be heard and you want to win so you have to keep them aside or cut them to size if they wont understand themselves. That is what has happned.
The only problem is each of these guys has his own following and brought in more diverse support for AAP. But with Delhi in hand and performance to show, I think AAP wont miss them. Especially if the claims are true, that they played hardball and tried to make sure AAP loses.
Its not hard to understand if you have ever lead a team. A person who is great in one area wants his opinion heard in other areas, when it fails, they still want to be heard and you want to win so you have to keep them aside or cut them to size if they wont understand themselves. That is what has happned.
The only problem is each of these guys has his own following and brought in more diverse support for AAP. But with Delhi in hand and performance to show, I think AAP wont miss them. Especially if the claims are true, that they played hardball and tried to make sure AAP loses.
Superbad
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this ensured that you are on the mercy of the supreme leader of AAP. once in disagreement, your image will be tarnished so bad, that you wont be left with a reputation.
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I find that hard to believe.
Asking for more power, a bigger say, is possible and with it the attendant differences in opinion.
anuragingle
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Looking at the soundbytes on tv both PB and YY look like spoiled brats to me, lol
And to think that they could remove AK without the support of others in the party seems to be so immature and stupid
And to think that they could remove AK without the support of others in the party seems to be so immature and stupid
I think the story was exactly the opposite. It was disgruntled people trying to show AK/AAP in a poor light using taped conversation. AK's conduct through much of the episode was quite dignified (the other AAP member's wasn't, but that is another story). In fact I commend AK for finally taking command, telling everyone who is the boss, and moving from idealism to maturity.
I do not think anyone's reputation has taken a hit. If AK isn't good enough, he will be out next election. If YY is good enough, Haryana is his battlefield.
The only one to have taken a hit is the indian society. Pretty much every rule of civil behaviour was broken. The rot at display was disgusting.
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Good one, the ibn journalist was very pathetic ; though there's no doubt that there were genuine difference of opinions and YY, PB are distinguished class of politicians who genuinely need to be in the core committee of a major political party. Did they play a hard ball against Kejri needs more investigation.
From appearance of it, doesn't seem so. People close to Kejri might have connived the whole fiasco for their personal gains. As some people from Haryana who shouldn't be seen in meeting were present during the meeting.
Whatever it is, it's very sad state of affairs for a self proclaimed new era political party.
YY and PB may not win elections but people with such clear understanding of constitution, future vision should be accommodated somehow. That's what the quality of a good leader, he keeps everyone together though he may not like many of them & incorporates different way of thinking in ultimate betterment of the party. Kejri failed us once again. Let us see, how the things unfold now.
From appearance of it, doesn't seem so. People close to Kejri might have connived the whole fiasco for their personal gains. As some people from Haryana who shouldn't be seen in meeting were present during the meeting.
Whatever it is, it's very sad state of affairs for a self proclaimed new era political party.
YY and PB may not win elections but people with such clear understanding of constitution, future vision should be accommodated somehow. That's what the quality of a good leader, he keeps everyone together though he may not like many of them & incorporates different way of thinking in ultimate betterment of the party. Kejri failed us once again. Let us see, how the things unfold now.
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