Ah, right. Dolby vision can't be transcoded. I suppose HDR with dynamic tone-mapping is good enough for me. I am not much of an AV purist and use a midrange TV.
nope thats either a HDR fallback which is tonemapped to SDR if display doesnt support HDR or its a fallback for profile 7/5 (see the sheet I linked above) and it shows its limitations once you get into multiple streams (Poor 4K HDR Transcode Performance with Intel QSV : r/PleX (reddit.com) , Dolby is a proprietary format and frankly a pain in the ass. there's literally no support on windows and you need proper hardware to support DV and even then you cant have proper support because currently there's no hardware which supports profile 7's dual layers without some other annoying drawback ( see the sheet I linked under the profile 7 column ) because Dolby are ****heads and wont give out licenses to profile 7 so most hardware/media players are just kind of guessing how to play it which comes with its own issues but unless you are like me, an idiot who pixel peeps every frame instead of actually watching shit, it wont matter to you, 99% of the users dont have access to 4k remuxes and normal 4k movies can be easily handled by Quicksync
I dont get it - there is literally no end user device these days that cannot do a direct playback of even very large/ high bit rate media files.
There are plenty of options for local DV+atmos playback on TVs incl ATV and firestick
It's arguably more about codecs than bitrate. Try playing an HEVC video in your browser. Even in 2024, browser support for H265 is atrocious. Chrome technically supports but I haven't been able to get any of my files playing smoothly. Then try downloading a torrent of a new movie, only to find out that it is AV1 and your recently purchased Smart TV or stick or whatever, for some reason, still doesn't have hardware support for it. Bitrate becomes a factor when you're trying to stream outside of your home network, or when you have multiple streams over WiFi etc.
Hevc hardware decoding is present on pretty much every PC/Phone/Tab/whatever from the last several years.
How do you deal with PGS subs? I tried both plex/jellyfin and they were unable to play pgs subs without transcoding, granted it was a 4k DV remux.
if you mainly rely on torrents/usenet for your streaming needs, then HEVC isnt going anywhere, and av1 even now has spotty support at best, if you are playing a normal SDR file then it'll play just fine, but add in HDR/DV and it'll go wonky
Let me draw an analogy.
The problem you are talking about is a hardware constraint on your playback device. (e.g. DV will play fine on a ATV/ macbook but good luck with windows)
yes to the first part.
You are discounting the time to search or locate. This may apply to recent or well known stuff. But some of us have more discerning tastes ... eg. oldies
In which case all I would say is that you must be incredibly good at finding rare combinations on the interwebs..
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands .. lol. I was referring to your argument on downloading vs storing which has nothing to do with AV1.In which case all I would say is that you must be incredibly good at finding rare combinations on the interwebs..
Like Oldies/classics in AV1 encoding
Availability of Free time not withstanding, it was not a standalone statement. And you missed the context around the same
I did not miss it. There wasn't any, on what you said and how you said it. Good that now you are clarifying.
May be worthwhile to read the preceding posts - but i presume you were too busy to do that
for normal users yeah, but if you grab any remux from a private tracker, they almost exclusively use PGS subs so its a pretty annoying playback issue.
Nope, ATV/Mac do not support DV unless you count gimmicks like HDR400/600/800 as proper "HDR support", they only support profile 5 and cant even play a profile 7 even without the FEL layer, making them largely pointless, read my previous post for more details and sheet I linked for hardware compatibility reference but the Tl: DR is profile 5 is mainly used by streaming platforms like Netflix, and profile 7 is mainly used in UHD blurays.
you cant tonemap DV anyways, Dolby shitheads havent really pushed out any DV encoding guide, so it's all guesses at the moment hence the issues, but what I would say is to get a HDR10 file and tonemap it using something like MadVR, it'll be way superior compared to normal SDR playbackWhat I will not do (regardless of having or not having a transcoding server) is to choose a DV file and then force tone mapping on it to play it in SDR.
That would be like buying a size 10 shoe and then padding foam in it to make it fit my foot
if you are depending on Mac/ATV for your DV playback and your monitor only supports HDR800, then its just a placebo. in your words you are padding a size 10 shoe to fit your size 4 foot, get atleast a proper QLED display if not OLED with proper dimming zones to take advantage of DV/HDR.
yeah, thats fine for a normal user but I am really into archiving remuxes, Remuxes are the best way to view any movie (atleast the good ones) where the encoder has selected the best video tracks from different region BD releases, synced audio/subs, made sure to pick up the best audio tracks and added in support for backwards compatibility, added chapters etc etc, you literally cant find a better release legally than some of the remuxes available. for e.g this is for a top gun maverick remuxNow I could have either upgraded my server back then (for transcoding) or continue to use higher bit rate h.264 file for the same quality while my end user devices go through a natural progression cycle.
This natural process is in fact arguably a lot easier /faster now given the much faster Internet speeds and faster upgrade cycles .
Back then, I think I had a 4+4+2 TB HDD on my NAS - largely because a high quality 2 hour movie would take 24 hours to donwload
Today it takes 10 minutes
So i largely don't even bothering with long term storage of ahem media- my NAS storage is now down to 2+1TB of solid state
Now this is where we start getting into the classic audiophile discussion territory.
This is where your use case starts differing from a regular end user pursuing a convenient way to handle playback without compromising on quality .
Kinda like you, i like collecting equipment.
more like 15-17mbps(streaming) vs 70-80mbps (remuxes or as you said full disk), there is a lot of difference if you notice
you havent used profile 7 ever and the setup you posted cant support it either, specially if you are streaming as streaming services (atleast in India) almost never give a full res stream, there's always some kind of transcoding/downsampling going on (cant comment on ATV, but their max bitrate is around 40mbps) but yeah if you cant notice the difference between between DV/HDR10 vs HDR then it wont matter to you, its just for picture accuracy
try out remuxes if you havent before deciding, you are watching a really inferior product before deciding it aint worth it. Assuming you have the 3rd gen ATV 4k, it only supports profile 5 and that too with a lot of color accuracy issues again re: the sheet I linkedChasing a higher profile on DV at least to me is pure specs chasing for an end consumer.
FWIW I find DV playback on ATV fantastic (and also a noticeable jump up from HDR) - and it manages this without any fuss/drama/tweaking for everyday usage wit the click of a button - Thats all I ask for now till something noticeably better comes along . The last such major improvements were DVD->1080p (huge) >4k SDR (nice but not as much as touted) -> 4K HDR (huge) -> 4K 10+/DV (small but noticeable)
I just added my 2cents in when you posted about not needing to archive anything
if you havent used any remuxes for your testing, I would recommend getting one and seeing the differences, there are a lot of them if you know where to spot, now would you notice them sitting 10 feet from your tv? most likely no, but its there.
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