Reservation - your take on it

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All the hullabaloo around the movie Aarakshan, and the way a few State govts have reacted to it, begs a question - Is reservation really controversial? Isn't it a way of life now? I therefore was curious if folks think reservation is good or bad. Have you ever been impacted?

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Watched Aarakshan today. Its more about coaching centers.

My Take on Reservation: It should be only for poor people. Suppose you are very poor then its okay if you have this advantage. But all others who have the means to study properly should not have this advantage.

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I too feel that if there has to be reservation, it has to be on the basis of economic disparity rather than social disparity. There are a lot of 'forward' caste students who do not get the opportunity to go to a good college since they would not be able to afford the fees, while there are some 'backward' caste students moving around in 10L+ cars ending up in some of the more meritorious colleges because they had a certificate. Who is really being helped here?
 
Keep a tab on who all are benefitted from the quota.

Once a person gets into a good job/inst, remove his name and following generation from the list eligible for quota.
 
^ I think that was one of the suggestions made long time back, and I believe there already is something similar on those lines like only one from a family can avail the benefits. Not sure what it is, or if it is actually implemented.

Then again the problem is tracking. Our government cannot track how many people are there, let alone who is related to whom and what govt facilities one has availed
 
Reservation is a big joke and sadly the joke is on us. It is extremely depressing to see India going towards a backward direction when it should be moving forward. What is their excuse for reservation again? Just because your caste was underprivileged and was not given a fair opportunity many many decades ago, you want me to give you my seat for which I have slogged my ass for many months/years? Hello! India got Independence in 1947, we are all free men here, why do I have to pay for the ill deeds of my great great ancestors? Besides, as far as I know, everyone is considered an equal in this country, be it ambani or a beggar, why is it then these people still consider themselves as unequals? And mind you these mindless reservations are indirectly effecting each and everyone of us including people who support reservation. Tell me something, when it comes to your life whom would you rather trust? A doctor who has acquired his degree purely based on a merit or someone less deserving who became a doctor just because a seat was reserved for him?

Frankly speaking, I don't mind if people belonging to unprivileged or poor families are given rebates in fees, hell I don't even mind if they receive free education but I firmly believe that selection of candidates should purely be based on a merit. And why is it that they believe that only people belonging to lower castes can be unprivileged and poor? What if a guy from a upper class who is extremely poor works his heart out day and night only to lose to a person who is not even half as deserving as him?
 
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Spacescreamer said:
Keep a tab on who all are benefitted from the quota.
Once a person gets into a good job/inst, remove his name and following generation from the list eligible for quota.
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The BJP recommended that i think back in the 90s when they ran the central govt and then their govt. fell and the plan was scrapped.

Reservation i think was introduced by Bose or someone for the underprivileged. His initial plan was to give reservation for 2 generations and stop after that. But for some reason no one heard that. and it continues today.

All it ended in doing is now the general category hates the reserved category. It's just sad to see you working your rear end off and studying while some SC/ST guy who is supposedly poor and roams arnd on an R15 and least bothered about studying, and then he gets a job cause he is of a backward class and he needs it more than you.

I completely support reservation. But not the way its done. Reservation should be given to those with a low income. Present an income certificate and get whatever reservations you want.
 
anaghdesai said:
I completely support reservation. But not the way its done. Reservation should be given to those with a low income. Present an income certificate and get whatever reservations you want.
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Which will cause fake income certificates, and lead to more tax evasion as well.

Just provide special/free coaching to the so called "reserved classes" and make them compete with the general classes
 
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poor people can be given free schooling and free coaching in the same institutes as others. They can have the Govt pay FIIT JEE or Brilliant or whatever for their fees and schooling etc. But that is about it. There shouldn't be any reservation at all.

Once you get K + 12 years schooling for free in a decent school with free coaching from the same institute, you are pretty much equal. No need to have any reservation apart from free education and free coaching even if somebody is poor.
 
Any kind of reservation should be based only on economic disparity and not just on paper but someone must verify it. Also, most reservations should be done in schools for primary education and definitely not for Post Graduation or Professional courses. Any company/institution Owner would like to have competent people who can do justice to their job. If the primary education is strong, members of backward classes. if competent will achieve the same status just like any one else. Economic support for students, from backward classes, opting for higher education must be encouraged ; and any abuse should be severly dealt with. Instead of reservation govt. must help them out to become competent.

No one likes an incompetent employee whether he is from general category or backward class.
 
distro said:
Any kind of reservation should be based only on economic disparity and not just on paper but someone must verify it. Also, most reservations should be done in schools for primary education and definitely not for Post Graduation or Professional courses. Any company/institution Owner would like to have competent people who can do justice to their job. If the primary education is strong, members of backward classes. if competent will achieve the same status just like any one else. Economic support for students, from economically backward classes, opting for higher education must be encouraged ; and any abuse should be severly dealt with. Instead of reservation govt. must help them out to become competent.

No one likes an incompetent employee whether he is from general category or backward class.
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rite said:
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poor people can be given free schooling and free coaching in the same institutes as others. They can have the Govt pay FIIT JEE or Brilliant or whatever for their fees and schooling etc. But that is about it. There shouldn't be any reservation at all.

Once you get K + 12 years schooling for free in a decent school with free coaching from the same institute, you are pretty much equal. No need to have any reservation apart from free education and free coaching even if somebody is poor.
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FIITJEE etc. cost 1.5lac+ for a 2 yr course

Because they do this they are able to provide Highly paid faculty (I believe they start at 1lac+ per month), good infrastructure,etc

Same applies to private schools

If the govt is willing to spend the same amount on the underprivileged students, then they should have seperate schools for them

Otherwise, govt will regulate the fee of normal institutes and hence reduce quality, or force them to increase intake

additionally those studying there for free will spoil the atmosphere to a large extent
 
agantuk said:
Have you ever been impacted?
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My friend. He almost tried to commit suicide [slit his wrists] when he didn't get a seat in some top engg. college, [I guess its RVCE Bang.] He missed it with just few marks where as his friends who got very less compared to him got seats. His father said "May be it's a mistake being in our caste". I had tears in my eyes seeing him on hospital bed & blood filled with rage on phucking reservation policy.
 
avi said:
My friend. He almost tried to commit suicide [slit his wrists] when he didn't get a seat in some top engg. college, [I guess its RVCE Bang.] He missed it with just few marks where as his friends who got very less compared to him got seats. His father said "May be it's a mistake being in our caste". I had tears in my eyes seeing him on hospital bed & blood filled with rage on phucking reservation policy.
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Not nearly as extreme, but even I had to relocate from delhi to manipal because of this
 
mehrotra.akash said:
FIITJEE etc. cost 1.5lac+ for a 2 yr course
Because they do this they are able to provide Highly paid faculty (I believe they start at 1lac+ per month), good infrastructure,etc
Same applies to private schools
If the govt is willing to spend the same amount on the underprivileged students, then they should have seperate schools for them
Otherwise, govt will regulate the fee of normal institutes and hence reduce quality, or force them to increase intake
additionally those studying there for free will spoil the atmosphere to a large extent
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and why is that?
 
sumonpathak said:
and why is that?
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Probably because the guys with a free seat - particularly if from an affluent background - won't nearly have anywhere near the same pressure as that felt by most of those who had to slog it off for their seat, and who know they would have to keep slogging it off if they have to get a good position based on 'merit'. Funny how getting benefited from 'merit' here is far more difficult from getting benefited from 'caste'.
avi said:
My friend. He almost tried to commit suicide [slit his wrists] when he didn't get a seat in some top engg. college, [I guess its RVCE Bang.] He missed it with just few marks where as his friends who got very less compared to him got seats. His father said "May be it's a mistake being in our caste". I had tears in my eyes seeing him on hospital bed & blood filled with rage on phucking reservation policy.
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mehrotra.akash said:
Not nearly as extreme, but even I had to relocate from delhi to manipal because of this
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I didn't / couldn't take such extreme steps, but yes, I definitely didn't get a seat in one of the top colleges inspite of having a rank 'to flatter' - which of course did nothing for me, not nearly as that rank which was mine multiplied by a 100 and some change (yes) which allowed my classmate to get a seat in the same college. Was it my seat - may be not, but definitely someone from my 'privileged' category
 
sumonpathak said:
and why is that?
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Merit students value the effort put in by them towards getting into the institutes (coaching centers have entrance exams, and the good ones do reject people)

For free quota people, it would just be an AC room to sleep/chat/mess around in.

(Same applies to a large extent to the donation quotas in colleges as well)
 
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