avi
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Salman "Bhai" Khan's Hit & Run Case Discussion
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nRiTeCh
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And just 25k fine?
That's very ridiculous. Today even a peon or roadside hawker can pay that amount.
And many among us can literally throw some lacs on laws face and roam free.
In fact people like being smart can literally purchase half the judiciary system. Mate no hard feelings but just a casual mention.
Law should be ammended as per class- lower, middle and higher class and hence the fines should be imposed accordingly.
There are even cases where corporate biggies, industrialist and known actors have been bailed out for as less as 2k.
Now 2k? Rofl. They carry lacs in cash with them all time and may be crores in their Credit cards. Their children pocket money itself might be a good 8-10k or more.
I'm not at all and was never ever satisfied by Indian judicial system. If they wanna curb crime, stand out in todays criminal world and win trust of crores of Indians then they better renew all laws and acts.
Else sooner there will be a world here where every person will be roaming with his own weapon and further you can just only imagine... So eithet act today or you got no right to react tomorrow!
It will be Indian gangwar within India itself.
That's very ridiculous. Today even a peon or roadside hawker can pay that amount.
And many among us can literally throw some lacs on laws face and roam free.
In fact people like being smart can literally purchase half the judiciary system. Mate no hard feelings but just a casual mention.
Law should be ammended as per class- lower, middle and higher class and hence the fines should be imposed accordingly.
There are even cases where corporate biggies, industrialist and known actors have been bailed out for as less as 2k.
Now 2k? Rofl. They carry lacs in cash with them all time and may be crores in their Credit cards. Their children pocket money itself might be a good 8-10k or more.
I'm not at all and was never ever satisfied by Indian judicial system. If they wanna curb crime, stand out in todays criminal world and win trust of crores of Indians then they better renew all laws and acts.
Else sooner there will be a world here where every person will be roaming with his own weapon and further you can just only imagine... So eithet act today or you got no right to react tomorrow!
It will be Indian gangwar within India itself.
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The quantum of punishment is indeed very poor.
I have seen a case from US where 4 teenagers (18/19 years old) got drunk on occasion of their passing out of school and drove a car rashly while bing which resulted in a accident that killed 3 of them and a baby in the other vehicle. The guy who was driving survived and he was handed a 25 year sentence if I remember right.
Compared to that, this is nothing. A 5 year sentence and laughable fine after the case ran for 13 years and God know how much tax payers money was spent was spent for this. In addition, I have no doubt that the prison sentence would most likely disappear once they appeal in a higher court. His lawyers might even use the fact that the case ran for 13 years as means to ask for reducing the sentence.
Actions like drunken driving should come with a mandatory prison sentence and not just fines regardless of whether any harm was actually done. For the children of the rich and politicians, fines are like license fees that will allow them to kill anybody on the road. Drunk driving should be treated as deliberate actions with intent of murder and should be punished as such. Unfortunately, this will never happen because its the children of our law makers that will be most at risk for such laws.
I have seen a case from US where 4 teenagers (18/19 years old) got drunk on occasion of their passing out of school and drove a car rashly while bing which resulted in a accident that killed 3 of them and a baby in the other vehicle. The guy who was driving survived and he was handed a 25 year sentence if I remember right.
Compared to that, this is nothing. A 5 year sentence and laughable fine after the case ran for 13 years and God know how much tax payers money was spent was spent for this. In addition, I have no doubt that the prison sentence would most likely disappear once they appeal in a higher court. His lawyers might even use the fact that the case ran for 13 years as means to ask for reducing the sentence.
Actions like drunken driving should come with a mandatory prison sentence and not just fines regardless of whether any harm was actually done. For the children of the rich and politicians, fines are like license fees that will allow them to kill anybody on the road. Drunk driving should be treated as deliberate actions with intent of murder and should be punished as such. Unfortunately, this will never happen because its the children of our law makers that will be most at risk for such laws.
Spacescreamer
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Our custodians (police/traffic police) themselves are corrupt, lack knowledge and value of civic sense. Add to it, the lawmakers have extremely benign viewpoints, and hence we see lackadaisical approach there as well .
Saw a msg that JJ hospital, where salman got his blood sample tested after the accident, is the very place where he was sent again for medical check up before he was to be sent to the jail yesterday.
Now JJ hospital is where the blood sample of the actor was tampered with. How can this be overlooked is beyond comprehension.
yashvisent
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avi
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Bhai gets his sentence suspended
https://in.news.yahoo.com/live--salman-khan-s-bail-plea-hearing-begins-055122975.html
https://in.news.yahoo.com/live--salman-khan-s-bail-plea-hearing-begins-055122975.html
A curse on all the idiotic fans and celebrities who are blindly cheering and celebrating for criminals like him. May their loved ones also be mowed down in the most horrible manner so they can also feel the same pain felt by those who loose their loved ones to drunken or rash driving of others and are helpless to get any justice in this sad excuse of a "democratic" country.
Spacescreamer
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Calm down mate.
Many over here understand the sentiment already.
Country's judicial system is a joke. This should serve as a case study really.
The other day one of the anchors kept harping on the line 'Is salman a victim of his celebrity status'..
The hell!?! Just because others keep getting away? Instead of blaring that others should be caught too.. he was trying to grab eyeballs and ears by going in the other direction.
blr_p
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Its standard if we compare with the US or UK. i recall a couple of cases where somebody was on the phone when driving, lost control and rammed a car with someone in it and killed them. It amazed me at the time that killing someone only gets you five years but there was no intent to murder. accidental not amounting to homicide. Not a serial offender.
5 years in both cases from two different countries. So this sentence does not surprise me. it was a long time coming though that is the only real critique here. Justice delayed is justice denied ? better late than never.
10 years would have been harsh. Trying to make an example out of a celebrity to send a message is bs. treat him like anyone else.
now it remains to be seen whether he serves the full five years or not.
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^^ UK might be similar since our laws were inherited from theirs.
As for US, I am don't think its the same. As I said, a guy was given 25 years for drunk driving which resulted in deaths of his friends who were also drunk.
In any case, there is a lot of absurdity in our laws and how ambiguous interpretations are done. For instance, there was a case some time back, where a guy who violently raped a 60 year old widow (he was treated like a foster son by her) that resulted in her death. He was given a fair sentence by the lower courts. He appealed and his lawyer argued for sentence reduction, but the judge cleared him of the charges on an basis that the lawyer didn't even argue. He was let go because he was apparently drunk when the deed was committed and so the judge argued that he was not in his senses when during the deed and hence should not be held liable for her death.
There is a pattern of such such outrageous judgements from High courts in India. Imagine if a similar judge were to preside over this case, he would just let him go because he was drunk when he ran over those people.
As for US, I am don't think its the same. As I said, a guy was given 25 years for drunk driving which resulted in deaths of his friends who were also drunk.
In any case, there is a lot of absurdity in our laws and how ambiguous interpretations are done. For instance, there was a case some time back, where a guy who violently raped a 60 year old widow (he was treated like a foster son by her) that resulted in her death. He was given a fair sentence by the lower courts. He appealed and his lawyer argued for sentence reduction, but the judge cleared him of the charges on an basis that the lawyer didn't even argue. He was let go because he was apparently drunk when the deed was committed and so the judge argued that he was not in his senses when during the deed and hence should not be held liable for her death.
There is a pattern of such such outrageous judgements from High courts in India. Imagine if a similar judge were to preside over this case, he would just let him go because he was drunk when he ran over those people.
redhotiron2004
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I am amazed that an ill sensitive decession from another country is being taken as an example to justify this meagre 5yrs sentence and that too on bail.
Media and all other fans are praying for this criminal salman without even considering that 4 innocent people(yes they were poor. But they were still human beings and not animals) lost there lives because of this guy ignorance. It was not a mistake as he was drunk and drove his car intentionally.
You would have realised the gruesome of his acts if your own relative or family member would have been the victim of this maniac.
All those who have been supporting this criminal. Please stand in front of his suv while he is drunk. Let him take it over you.
Then tell me how you felt.
Also, he have a habit of breaking the law. He is a serial offender in those terms. Many other cases are going on against him. The black buck case if you remember. Also, he have a long history of engaging in fights with different people.
But, I know you won't even recognize that as he is still a celebrity isn't it!
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blr_p
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without a conviction bail is a right when he isn't a flight risk.
i ignored the media completley because its just noise. i quoted what passed as std in other countries.
never watched his movies.
i have bypassed detractors and supporters here. If you want to know the rationale you should be downloading and reading the judgement. The rationale will be explained therein with plenty of case law to back it up.
agree or disagree otherwise is a waste of time as you have no basis to argue either way.
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superczar
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Technically this is involuntary manslughter which would get you a lower quantum than voluntary manslaughter which in turn would attract a lower quantum than premediated murder
Given that a typical premediated murder would get you a lifer , the former should get a 10 perhaps and the first (which is what Salman is guilty of) would get a 2-5 yrs depending on the circumstances
By that token , I'd say 5 is on the harsher side rather than lenient (unless someone thinks that this falls under the same category as say planning and murdering someone so that you stand to gain from that death)
Given that a typical premediated murder would get you a lifer , the former should get a 10 perhaps and the first (which is what Salman is guilty of) would get a 2-5 yrs depending on the circumstances
By that token , I'd say 5 is on the harsher side rather than lenient (unless someone thinks that this falls under the same category as say planning and murdering someone so that you stand to gain from that death)
redhotiron2004
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This is the problem with the judicial system here. Criminals and lawyers are easily able to twist and turn things that are so crystal clear here.
Judgment should not be a case of whether somebody agrees or disagrees. It's about what is right and wrong. If 1000 people would start supporting a criminal. And the criminal have money to spend then all the lawyers and system machinery gets into the process of justifying the accused by whatevr means possible. They then prepare a complete list of stats, files, past cases in favour of the accused.
That people then quote as evidence and use it to justify your motives.
People are not as stupid as you consider them to be. We all know it was salman that was driving the car under the influence of alcohol and not his driver. We also know who bribed the driver to say otherwise.
But, look at the irony. Inspite of all the fraudulent evidences that the defendant tried to put up. Your sympathies still lies with the accused and not the victims. We also know that every part of the judicial system that was even remotely connected to this case was buttered and oiled by yours truely salman. And hence the numerous pages report came in to existence that so cleanly justified his actions and surprisingly enough took his name from more severe sections to simpler law sections.
So do you still think that people would beleive the files you would throw at them in justification of the accused?
Sorry people are not as gullible as you think they are.
The guy was consumed alcohol intentionally. He even drove the car intentionally inspite of knowing that it's dangerous to drive the car under alcohol influence. He intentionally put the lives of other people in the car and outside at risk. This all concluded into the death of 4 innocent poor lives.
The last part was the only result that could have been possible by all the previous actions. It could not have ended otherwise.
So, do you still think it was non intentional? The end result is always related to the actions you have taken to start it. If your actions are wrong the result is also bound to be wrong. So it was completely intentional on his part. Only the result happened as a consequence.
I am not amazed why the victims lawyer didn't even tried for harder sections. Poor people in this country dont get justice because of poverty and secondly because of Hippocrates.
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superczar
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OT but Don't think he has sympathised with the accused in any of the posts - If anything, there is no emotion in his posts - which does nto seem to be the case with yours
redhotiron2004
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Ofcourse my sympathies are with the deceased. Think about it. If the ambani or any other famous person would have been in the deceased list?
Would you still justify salman acts? Would the system have still been so linient and one sided?
I dont know about you. But, I am appalled by the court decession. 4 people were rammed furiously by a maniac under the influence of alcohol. And only 5yrs of sentence and that too bailable.
How low can it go from here?
Remember it can happen to anybody. Stop favouring the VIP culture. Lets raise our voices against these kind of people who think that they own the road.
superczar
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It's immaterial if the dead was an Ambani or a street dweller - The only point I was trying to make is that a just Judicial system has to differentiate between the underlying causes of a crime - even though the final result would have been the same
1)Pre mediated murder- Salman did not like a group of people who slept on the street .. SO he drew up an elaborate plan and drove his vehicle nearby, then floored the accelerator to intentionally harm/kill them
2) Voluntary manslaughter - If Salman got into a road fight , the flight blew up into a full blown physical assault from both sides and then Salman pulled out his gun and shot the other person point blank
3) Involuntary manslaughter Type 1- An accident that occurred because an individual drove recklessly (perhaps DUI or under the thrill of a powerful machine in his hands) - Which is what this case is
4) Involuntary manslaughter - An accident that occurred due to a momentary lapse of judgment (driving when tired , momentary slip of attention)
Would you say that the quantum of the punishment should be the same in all 4?
If 1 deserves a life sentence, 2 perhaps 10-15 years, 4 perhaps a fine/community service - so what should 3 get?
redhotiron2004
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If we take your own example. Then the question remains. What was the reason that he got only 5yrs instead of 10yrs?
He was under the influence of alcohol. That he consumed intentionally. It was not that there was noone else to drive the car. He choosed to drive that car intentionally. It was not a mistake, nor even it was a mechanical failure like brake fail etc.
The main reason was he was driving under the influence of alcohol. He could have taken anybody's life. Why would the court be lenient to him?
Doesn't he deserve the strictest of sentences i.e 10yrs?
All his actions were wrong. How can this be even termed as mistake?
kidrow
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One can argue about the quantum of punishment till the cows come home, because it is left to the courts to decide on the quantum based on the specific mitigating & aggravating circumstances of each case. The court is bound only by the minimum & maximum limits as prescribed by law. So in other words, the quantum can be pretty subjective.
I, for one, am glad to see that at the very least there has been a conviction. I had anticipated that SK would be acquitted, due to lack of evidence or some other technicality. But this judgement gives me hope that the judicial process in India is changing for the better. & I'm simply glad for that.
I, for one, am glad to see that at the very least there has been a conviction. I had anticipated that SK would be acquitted, due to lack of evidence or some other technicality. But this judgement gives me hope that the judicial process in India is changing for the better. & I'm simply glad for that.
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