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Lol @ pants...

@ every1 : sorry for the outburst, that guy irritated the hell out of me :(

Now lemme explain

Torrent client downloads the pieces it doesn't store them to your HDD just now( View your RAM usage go up, ig you have increased the cache setting in torrent client). Now when the torrent client reaches that cache limit it empties the whole content from RAM yo ur HDD.

Now the pagefile funda ( that Mr. Andrew said)

PageFile is used when their is not enough RAM for the OS, but we all know we have some ram always left. Well thats because Windows Tries to manage that free RAM and put some stuff to PageFile.

You can even force the windows Kernel to get stored in RAM instead of going to pagefile.

1) Open the regedit tool (Start -> Run -> regedit.exe )

2) Use the navigation in the left and go to HKEY LOCAL MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management

3) Double click the DisablePagingExecutive attribute, and put 1 in the decimal value field

This will make the drivers and the XP kernel run in memory.

For Mr. Andrew go and read "Operating System Concepts" by Galvin.

Image to prove what i meant :

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i just use the latest utorrent version's defaults for "disk cache" setting - not actually physically hdd cache, this is the name utorrent gives the feature for its "write-behind caching". you can manually override it, but i didnt bother

it surely will increase the life of your HDD by reducing frequent head movement/writes/temperature... mechanical wear and tear which will make you approach the MTBF number quicker :)

this is certainly not a retarded idea...
 
I use Azureus & download at 29~32KBps(256k connection)..

And my HDD is constantly cooled by the front fan..

do i still need to make any changes?is my hdd at risk?
 
Andrew, your questioning of bittorrent => hard drive failure funda is spot-on. Without reading proper benchmarks, this is just another superstition.

But server-grade / enterprise grade etc. fancy named hard disks do not give any better failure rate. Another superstition. Read Google's paper on this topic. We will all agree Google has enormous expertise with hard disks, and no motive to promote a certain brand/paradigm.

I will summarize

1. No correlation between drive failure and high usage.

2. No correlation between drive failure and high temperature (within datacenter temperature limits).

3. Google discovered early in its career that server-grade hard disks are not worth the money. They buy only consumer grade hard disks (and RAM).
 
Any one please post the advanced cache settings for utorent.....Let me increase life of my HDD ? Well going to mount extra 90mm fan on HDD right now.
 
F*** u made me speak again. I'm not getting why the hell are u guys constantly blaming torrents for hard disk failure. Thats just insanity.
Looks like You are reading many ebooks out there why don't u use performance [System Monitor] and see how much data is read & written in the pagefile.sys and let me know when u open a software a file edit a word/excel etc file. If u do not know bout system monitor read more ebooks u will know. And have i irritated the hell out of you.
F*** u scared the hell out of a lot of people who do not know basic facts. Reading books and working on things practically are two different things buddy.
Yes HDD fails it can fail now it will fail later its like life and death u r born so shall u die now or later but you will have to die one day you cannot be immortal none has yet. And as far as i have seen hdd conking off is due to the end users carelessness.

To prove that this guys are just baffling around i need other members help.
How many people out there were & are using torrents software and how many people have ended with dead HDD ?????

Really this will help other people who are peeing in there pants.......
 
Downloading does not cause hard drive failures. Else my hard drives would have been toast long ago. I've not had a single hard drive failure other than a really old 40gig IDE in the last 4-5 years. The single most important reason for hard drive failures is a power supply which does not supply clean power as hard drives are incredibly sensitive to power supply rail variations. The second most important reason is inadequate cooling. Get a PSU with proper rails that don't go more than +/-2% and all will be fine. I see the thread creator has an Amigo PSU. Change that to any decent name brand and all hard drive failures will be history.
 
lol, I can't believe so many ppl are falling for this crap! Never had a HDD running torrents fail (I had a 2MB line for a long time), though I did have a 3 month old HDD die for no (tangible) reason at all.

Myths like this don't fit in here at TE. This guys only got his theories and a article he's constantly linking...
 
Naga said:
lol, I can't believe so many ppl are falling for this crap! Never had a HDD running torrents fail (I had a 2MB line for a long time), though I did have a 3 month old HDD die for no (tangible) reason at all.

Myths like this don't fit in here at TE. This guys only got his theories and a article he's constantly linking...
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I have 2MB line also from long time..Am regular user for downloading lots of movies from torrents(4-5 daily).Mostly by utorrent,never had any problem like falling of HDD or Bad sectors.I am going to contact seagate customer care regarding this hot topic.There are 3 Sata HDD in my system:D
 
ultra vires said:
Datacenter maintain the racks at 25c and our HDDs run at 38c
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yes, but until we see benchmarks for 38c let us hold our conclusions.

Some particular hard disks do get hotter even in data centers because
1. nearby components heat,
2. local cooling mechanism fails (though there is a redundant cooling in the way of whole room cooling which won't fail together with local cooling failure) ,
3. high usage etc.

That is why google had hard disks at different temperatures to compare. If it were so perfect, you would have all hard disks at the same temperature.

One thing the google study points out is, always heed warnings by SMART. Not all failing disks give SMART warnings, but all disks that give SMART warnings fail quite soon.
 
@ Andrew : did i ever curse or anything .. there are better ways to argue, discuss or even fight over topics...

btw first u mentioned that i didn't have the logical reasoning.. when i give that then you are saying you want benchies ( that's completely fine, coz benchies matter) but cant do those now..

AFA benchies are considered .. im heading off to Bangy, have 2 days left in delhi so wont be able to do those ( if you see this as an excuse then be it). If some members can please run benchies and post them then it will help a lot.

Quote from google study

"One of our key findings has been the lack of a consistent

pattern of higher failure rates for higher temperature

drives or for those drives at higher utilization levels.

Such correlations have been repeatedly highlighted

by previous studies, but we are unable to confirm them

by observing our population. Although our data do not

allow us to conclude that there is no such correlation"

AS for any one doing benchies..

Also take into fact the reallocation number ..before and after the observation perdiod.

OMG we are so OT here :) .. we can start a new thread regarding this and post both point of views and have an organized discussion ? What say ??
 
Ma 1 HDD failed, reason -
SMPS
Not proper shutdown, ma UPS dying.
Power Surges/Fluctuation

As far as temperatures r concerned, My older machine (5 years old, now sold) has a 40Gb IDE HDD and its still running without any front fan, no cooling. No provision for fan in that cabby.
 
The only thing caching and paging causes is fragmentation and thus low performance. It may cause bad sectors due to repeater writes but i am sure it cannot cause hard drive failure. If the PSU is not the cause, the hard disk may fail due to inherently due to reasons other than write operations. No high speed downloads cause hard disk failure.

Just disable paging and get yourself some RAM. And of course make your downloads go to a separate partition / hard disk and keep your precious data in a separate partition / hard disk.

I still have a working 8 year old 40 GB Samsung IDE with no bad sectors. And I have pushed it so hard, kept it at 45+ temps, defragmented for days, violated it in different positions (upside down, sideways as my cabby is out of space) and subjected it to high speed torture :rofl:
 
Though insufficient to "prove", this is the best study (largest scale) that has been done so far.
1. Thousands of disks,
2. over a long period of time
3. not done by a hard disk manufacturer
4. scientifically done by people who understand statistics as well as technology. Not like Tom's Hardware for example.

If this is insufficient to establish the correlation, it is only because we need billions of disks, in different environments (not just data center), over many decades (more than the age of Google). No such study to date has been done to my knowledge so we have to go by the best we have.

I agree this could be moved to a thread of its own.
 
i dont think anyone is saying downloading "causes" failures... but i do believe it certainly contributes to reducing your HDDs life... now if you are lucky to get a good quality build, it wont fail, if you are unlucky it will fail sooner rather than later. in any case torrent programs had this disk caching enabled by default (to prevent increased head activity) a long time ago so nothing to be alarmed about.
 
I have old p3 system also near about 10 years old with 20gb seagate of same age,never had any problem even not a bad sector:) downloaded lots of stuff with more then 500 times format disk:clap: Seagate rocks in build quality .
 
I have been using torrent for downloads for years now. Sometimes downloads are on 24 x 7.

I am also using 2mbps for quite sometime now ... atlest an yr .... no HDD problems detected till date.

I use my Hitachi 250GB for all my downloads ...

So from my personal experience ... torrents dont affect HDD
 
Don't know bit torrent causes HDD to die faster.

but the fact is i have RMAed my Seagate HDD 3 times in past 2 years since i started downloading from Torrents.

previously it worked fine for 2years in a GO

maybe its a coincidence but 3 times....

no idea whats happening:|
 
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