Should i go ahead with this Online survey

[NinByChoice]

I knew most people were stupid, but this is taking it to a whole new level!! I hope to never deal with some of the people in this thread.

greed will overcome intelligence anyday.

You already lost your intelligence the moment you let your emotions (greed) decide your actions.

it's also my opinion that a honest man even if he is dumb cannot be cheated.

Also its seems you are bad at english or just trolling. Honest = tells the truth, no lies. Its got nothing to do with being dumb. It doesnt prevent people from cheating you either. Let me illustrate with a simple story.

Im an honest man. I was riding the bus yesterday and paid Rs20 to the conductor, for a Rs13 ticket (public buses are extremely costly in Bangalore). Since Im slightly stupid, I did not check the change till this morning. He had returned only Rs0.01 change. The sly conductor had cheated me! But, how did he even do that?! Isnt it impossible to cheat someone as honest and pure as me?!

Now, do you see how honest people can be cheated. If I were slightly more intelligent, I would have checked the change right when I received it and not gotten cheated. See how intelligent people are harder to cheat. My honesty absolutely did not save me.

an intelligent man can never be cheated. it's the retarded who fall for such things

@ragzdiablo, You should learn to take responsibility for your actions and associations. I hope you dont end up selling some "unknown" powdered white stuff in shady areas, to willing customers. Its just sales and you might not have to spend more than 30 mins a day, but it might still be illegal and unethical. If you feel you are a kid, then you should sit tight till you grow up.

 

[Neo-N]

Also its seems you are bad at english or just trolling. Honest = tells the truth, no lies. Its got nothing to do with being dumb. It doesnt prevent people from cheating you either. Let me illustrate with a simple story.

Im an honest man. I was riding the bus yesterday and paid Rs20 to the conductor, for a Rs13 ticket (public buses are extremely costly in Bangalore). Since Im slightly stupid, I did not check the change till this morning. He had returned only Rs0.01 change. The sly conductor had cheated me! But, how did he even do that?! Isnt it impossible to cheat someone as honest and pure as me?!

Now, do you see how honest people can be cheated. If I were slightly more intelligent, I would have checked the change right when I received it and not gotten cheated. See how intelligent people are harder to cheat. My honesty absolutely did not save me.

an intelligent man can never be cheated. it's the retarded who fall for such things

Well... You really are correct in your reasoning... But u are taking the path of Rational reasoning...



What he meant ( I assume) was that a honest man can never be cheated i.e. in a broader philosophical view, he meant that a honest man never bears a loss in the long run only due to his honesty.

So, if u actually manage to cheat a honest man, he might lose something in the short run but he, being a honest man; the universal force is sure to compensate him for his loss in some other way.

It is something along the lines of 'Truth can never fall.... it may get bent temporarily but in the end, it trumps over all...'

I am not much of a philosophy kinda guy myself (in fact, I am a purely rational atheist) but I understand philosophy & just thought that I would explain what I took from the things he said.

 

[ragzdiablo]

@ragzdiablo, You should learn to take responsibility for your actions and associations. I hope you dont end up selling some "unknown" powdered white stuff in shady areas, to willing customers. Its just sales and you might not have to spend more than 30 mins a day, but it might still be illegal and unethical. If you feel you are a kid, then you should sit tight till you grow up.

I dont know where you are taking this...
im not scamming anyone..nor am i forcing anyone to do what im doing..

it just seemed like a good investment option to my dad..so he did it...
his friends are doing great too..
i dont know which part of this is harming anyone..

i still keep my word that im a kid..
im just doing surveys (that too fairness creams and 3G spectrum)...because my dad took up the subscription..

you are taking it some other level by saying stuff like that(read your post again)..

I have mentioned it hundreds of times..that im not doing any referral thingy with this site..
but you guys come on the sales,scamming thing again and again..

You guys have a mindset..
if its a survey thing..must be a scam..

i dont know whether its a scam or not..
my friends are happy with it..im happy with it..
we are just doing surveys..which we have paid for..no harm is being done to any one..

i know you are a senior member..but you have no right to call me 'retarded'..
i did my study before joining..
If its 'illegal and unethical' to do some surveys..please tell me..
PS: please dont discuss on this topic anymore..
people have mindsets which cannot be broken..
maybe im wrong and this is a scam...
ill face the problem then...till then im very happy..

 

[Neo-N]

^^

Firstly: Being 19 is not being a Kid. Additionally, if u have an interest in money, it indicates u are old enough!!

Secondly: Doing Surveys is NOT Scamming. Even I have done a lot of surveys for a few sites. But these sites don't ask for an upfront payment of any kind neither do they pay in cash. They provide gift vouchers/coupons.

Thirdly: Not doing referrals in a Pyramid scheme doesn't mean that you are not scamming people. Joining a Pyramid scheme is equivalent to scamming!

Fourthly: When you pay 11k to the site, you are fooled and the site uses that amount to pay people who have signed up before u. When people signup after you, they too are fooled and you get paid from the amounts they paid for signup. So, whether u like it or not, the payments you receive come from fooling people. And the fooling goes on and on.

Fifthly: U are grossly mistaken when u say that u have done ur study. U actually don't know that u have been fooled and u also don't know that you are (indirectly) fooling people. Moreover, you are kiddish enough to recommend this scheme to other people. That's the height of non studiousness...!!!

Lastly: Sometimes, things are not illegal but they are just immoral. Now, if an immoral activity is not illegal, it is the doers discretion. So, even though what you do may not be illegal, it certainly is immoral. Keep that in mind when you do your next fairness cream survey!!!

 

[ragzdiablo]

^^

Firstly: Being 19 is not being a Kid. Additionally, if u have an interest in money, it indicates u are old enough!!

Interest in money? i told you before its just ..pocket money earned..

Secondly: Doing Surveys is NOT Scamming. Even I have done a lot of surveys for a few sites. But these sites don't ask for an upfront payment of any kind neither do they pay in cash. They provide gift vouchers/coupons.

"these" sites? if a site asks for upfront payment doesnt necessarily mean that its a scam site...

Thirdly: Not doing referrals in a Pyramid scheme doesn't mean that you are not scamming people. Joining a Pyramid scheme is equivalent to scamming!

i did not join under a pyramid.

Fourthly: When you pay 11k to the site, you are fooled and the site uses that amount to pay people who have signed up before u. When people signup after you, they too are fooled and you get paid from the amounts they paid for signup. So, whether u like it or not, the payments you receive come from fooling people. And the fooling circle goes on and on.

i know what you mean...and i totally agree with you..

but the thing is..it hasnt been proved that this site is a scam..

who ever has joined has been rewared uptil now..

the term "fooled" can only be inserted into the text when the site is proven to be a scam.

Fifthly: U are grossly mistaken when u say that u have done ur study. U actually don't know that u have been fooled and u also don't know that you are (indirectly) fooling people. Moreover, you are kiddish enough to recommend this scheme to other people. That's the height of non studiousness...!!!

1.what i meant by study was...seeing my friends accounts for 2 months..whether there is real flow of money.

2.ill say again..you cannot say that im fooled, till the time this site is working properly and doing what it says..

3.when the hell did i recommend this scheme to others..im tired of telling you that im here just for the survey and not for referrals...i have made no member join me..nor have i talked about it to anyone..

what you guys are thinking is that greed has taken over...

1.joined as new pyramid, not in an existing pyramid.

2.havnt and never will try to get people join under me..

im not bitten by greed that ill do such things..

it just gives a steady 4k per month straight to my bank account which is good pocket expense..

 

[NinByChoice]

i dont know whether its a scam or not..
my friends are happy with it..im happy with it..
we are just doing surveys..which we have paid for..no harm is being done to any one..

If you are not sure its not a scam, why join at all? If it turns out to be a scam, are you willing to take responsibility? Will you return the money? Will you even be able to right your wrongs? If the police want to arrest you as an accomplice or freeze your bank account, will you cooperate? You might not be doing the referrals, but because of your financial association with a company that might be largely cheating people, you can get into trouble. Ignorance is not a excuse.

Theres a simple reason so many people are suspicious - they ask for money upfront. If they are just paying you for your surveys, they dont need to ask for money while joining. Doesnt that strike you as odd?

i know you are a senior member..but you have no right to call me 'retarded'..
i did my study before joining..

If you did your study before joining you would know whether its a scam or not. I did not call you a retard. I did not say its a scam either. Im not saying that you are not a retarded. Im not saying that this is legitimate either. Thats for you to find out.

I repeat - If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions and associations, sit tight and study. "Im a kid" shows you are not willing to take responsibility, even when you know perfectly well what you are getting into.

Well... You really are correct in your reasoning... But u are taking the path of Rational reasoning...

...
It is something along the lines of 'Truth can never fall.... it may get bent temporarily but in the end, it trumps over all...'

I understand Such beliefs/philosophy are just constructs to enable the survival of our society. They arent reality.

 

[ragzdiablo]

If you are not sure its not a scam, why join at all? If it turns out to be a scam, are you willing to take responsibility? Will you return the money? Will you even be able to right your wrongs? If the police want to arrest you as an accomplice or freeze your bank account, will you cooperate? You might not be doing the referrals, but because of your financial association with a company that might be largely cheating people, you can get into trouble. Ignorance is not a excuse.

Theres a simple reason so many people are suspicious - they ask for money upfront. If they are just paying you for your surveys, they dont need to ask for money while joining. Doesnt that strike you as odd?

If you did your study before joining you would know whether its a scam or not. I did not call you a retard. I did not say its a scam either. Im not saying that you are not a retarded. Im not saying that this is legitimate either. Thats for you to find out.

I repeat - If you are not willing to take responsibility for your actions and associations, sit tight and study. "Im a kid" shows you are not willing to take responsibility, even when you know perfectly well what you are getting into.

Until it has been proved.Stop thinking of it as a SCAM!

You did not understand my words, i did not say that "im not sure whether its a scam or not" the way you think. Ive said earlier, that i did my study...and then i joined..

so obviously, i dont think of it as a scam..

i said that line because you guys where blaming me to be a scammer..

and what the replies have been that made me say it..its a 'for the heck of it' statement..

obviously ill do whats right if a situation arises, but you are taking it too another level.. why cant you think of it as 'not a scam'??god forbid..if it is a scam...ill be just in a huge lose..nothing other than that...police wont think of me as an accomplice..

just as a guy who got tricked with a million others..

"im a kid" signifies...that i did not take the accounts myself..nor did i have any role to play in buying them..ive told that a million times.

Im telling you...this can go all day long..

and theres no point discussing it..

ill tell you what..

bump this thread 6 months or a year down the line..

and ill tell you how it turned out to be..

 

[Lord Nemesis]

You guys have a mindset..

if its a survey thing..must be a scam..

It has nothing to do with mindsets, its basically a question of whether you are applying common sense. It is a scam because there is no business logic behind such schemes and there is no way for money to grow and some one obviously has to loose their money for some else to gain money.

i dont know whether its a scam or not..

my friends are happy with it..im happy with it..

we are just doing surveys..which we have paid for..no harm is being done to any one..

When you don't know whether its a scam or not, you should not be recommending it to others. Even an uneducated person (let alone an educated one) is expected to use some common sense when dealing with such matters. Ignorance or indifference is not an excuse. For instance, Can you explain how filling survey's is going to earn you money. Can you explain to me how extra money is getting into the system and how you are getting paid without someone else getting ripped in the process?

Tomorrow, if someone tells you that you can earn a tidy sum just by delivering packages. would you plunge in without knowing what and why you are delivering? You can always justify to yourself that delivering packages is a harmless job and the contents are none of your concern and just concentrate on earning money, but you never know if your actions are going to ruin your or someone Else's life.

If you really want to say that you don't care as long as you are earning from it, then let me be blunt and say that is exactly the kind of thing that goes on inside the mind of a active or passive scammer.

If its 'illegal and unethical' to do some surveys..please tell me..

There is nothing illegal or unethical about delivering packages either, but its definitely illegal or unethical if your actions is going to harm others or even yourself. Filling surveys is not illegal or unethical, but you don't even know why you need to pay money upfront or where the money you are earning from such a scheme is originating from. You don't even want to care enough to to know whether someone else is getting ripped off behind all this masquerade

There is a reason why such schemes are outright banned in many countries. The sooner you realize that, the better for you.

 

[kartikoli]

dam it took me good 30-40 min to read the thread

anyway i have already decided that i wont join after reading that the comp. have no business details listed/disclosed

its a case of cards where only 1 person wins with best combination and the rest 3 lose [dont know how to play them .... only played WWF cards and my favorite was hulk hogan ]

 

[hellfire]

Sadly not illegal in India yet.

Actually there's very fine line in India on this point. See the Prize Chits and Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978 and Andhra High Court's decision declining to stop investigations against Amway in Writ Petitions No. 20470 and 20471 of 2006.

Whether its illegal or not is left for the Courts to decide but I feel it is illegal under the Prize Chits and Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act.

 

[chiron]

^how the heck am i scamming anyone...

i mentioned before im not in this because of the referrals..im just in it because of the surveys..

how am i misleading someone else..?

@nehaladsul..

please mind what you are saying..

you are no one to tell me to get a life..its just timepass for me...

good way to get some pocketmoney..

im still a kid doing my engineering...

its just f'ing surveys...

spending 30 mins in a week to do them..doesnt mean my life is revolving around it..

Dunno about the logic/retarded arguments in all this but take all my reps and deduct the same amount from this guy and I'd be totally happy. How about it mods/admins... how about some street justice here... or are morals just restricted to talk about smoking cigarettes?

 

[Neo-N]

Dunno about the logic/retarded arguments in all this but take all my reps and deduct the same amount from this guy and I'd be totally happy. How about it mods... how about some street justice here?

^^ Whatever does this mean?? :S

 

[chiron]

Simply that while things that are considered to be social evils[?](drinking/smoking/racist talk/many other controversial issues) are fairly well moderated here, something like this which is obviously a fraud that is propogated by the community is left to open discussion seems ridiculous to me.

And of course none of that is directed @nehaladsul

 

[Neo-N]

Simply that while things that are considered to be social evils[?](drinking/smoking/racist talk/many other controversial issues) are fairly well moderated here, something like this which is obviously a fraud that is propogated by the community is left to open discussion seems ridiculous to me.

And of course none of that is directed @nehaladsul

Agree with you... But I have been banging my head against the wall :frusty: on this thread...

So are the others... No use telling people what is right or wrong... Greed is mightier... So, I stopped banging!!! hyeah:

Now next post I see, sumone (greedy!) would be banging me for what I just typed above... :chair:

 

[kartikoli]

Dunno about the logic/retarded arguments in all this but take all my reps and deduct the same amount from this guy and I'd be totally happy. How about it mods/admins... how about some street justice here... or are morals just restricted to talk about smoking cigarettes?

lol ... bro only admin/co-admin can fiddle with rep/username/unbanning stuffs

sumos dont have such powers ..... my own experience

 

[DigitalDude]

Well... You really are correct in your reasoning... But u are taking the path of Rational reasoning...

What he meant ( I assume) was that a honest man can never be cheated i.e. in a broader philosophical view, he meant that a honest man never bears a loss in the long run only due to his honesty.

So, if u actually manage to cheat a honest man, he might lose something in the short run but he, being a honest man; the universal force is sure to compensate him for his loss in some other way.

It is something along the lines of 'Truth can never fall.... it may get bent temporarily but in the end, it trumps over all...'

I am not much of a philosophy kinda guy myself (in fact, I am a purely rational atheist) but I understand philosophy & just thought that I would explain what I took from the things he said.

haha!! no that's not what I meant. I'm not that naive :bleh: btw NinByChoice's post is not rational reasoning, it's just a logical fallacy.

also atheism is as delusional as western concept of god... btw that is a separate thread err maybe a separate forum

I knew most people were stupid, but this is taking it to a whole new level!! I hope to never deal with some of the people in this thread.

You already lost your intelligence the moment you let your emotions (greed) decide your actions.
Also its seems you are bad at english or just trolling. Honest = tells the truth, no lies. Its got nothing to do with being dumb. It doesnt prevent people from cheating you either. Let me illustrate with a simple story.

Im an honest man. I was riding the bus yesterday and paid Rs20 to the conductor, for a Rs13 ticket (public buses are extremely costly in Bangalore). Since Im slightly stupid, I did not check the change till this morning. He had returned only Rs0.01 change. The sly conductor had cheated me! But, how did he even do that?! Isnt it impossible to cheat someone as honest and pure as me?!

Now, do you see how honest people can be cheated. If I were slightly more intelligent, I would have checked the change right when I received it and not gotten cheated. See how intelligent people are harder to cheat. My honesty absolutely did not save me.

an intelligent man can never be cheated. it's the retarded who fall for such things

First of all, it is well known that many people are stupid, but the problem is that the 'stupid' also thinks that others are stupid so it's better not to call anyone 'stupid' for trivial reasons unless we are very sure about the assumption that we aren't one.

anyway sorry for not making myself clear in my earlier posts.

there is a difference between intelligence, honesty/greed and an emotion. Intelligence is a tool, a feature or a facility that we are equipped with and can use. honesty isn't just 'not telling lies' that's called truthfulness. honesty is a basket full of virtues like truthfulness, integrity, being just, being straightforward, being reasonably content, not cheating etc. Greed is not an emotion, it is a state of mind, a quality or a vice which may stem from emotions like jealousy, envy, hatred and the likes.

now 'cheating' here implies 'scamming/conning' someone. so why one cannot cheat an honest man is because, the honest man has a clear conviction that 'there is no free lunch' someone has to pay for it, and similarly if something is too good to be true it probably is.

btw your example scenario is very trivial. intelligence, honesty or dumbness didn't play much role in here. it's just a case of carelessness on your part. but this trivial situation can still be explained. if you were really a honest person you would have been conscious about the transaction and would have not allowed carelessness to creep in here even for this petty amount. just being careful about high value transactions itself has shades of 'greed' to it. so the conclusion is not 'My honesty absolutely did not save me' but you don't understand honesty and you were not honest enough.

going deep into 'honesty'.. if you tell a truth or a fact with a purpose of misleading your audience then it is dishonesty. if you tell a wrong fact or a false statement without knowing that it is wrong or false, then it is still being honest. so you can tell a truth and can still be considered as dishonest, and you may be wrong or false in your statements and can still be considered as honest.

if you are an intelligent dishonest person either you will easily be the one who is scamming or you will easily be the one getting scammed, depending on your level of intelligence. just being intelligent is not enough, what good is intelligence if it can be easily lost or overruled by greed ? greed occupies the place where there is no honesty to police it. a lot of intelligent and also dumb people are victims of various frauds the world over mainly because of greed not because of lack of intelligence.

I'm highly tempted to discuss in detail the scams (conveniently christened as 'crisis') that primarily caused the tanking of the US economy but this itself is too long :hap5:

I suggest this book 'You Can't Cheat an Honest Man' to know more about the various versions of the pyramid/ponzi schemes and why people fall for them.

_

 

[ragzdiablo]

Dunno about the logic/retarded arguments in all this but take all my reps and deduct the same amount from this guy and I'd be totally happy. How about it mods/admins... how about some street justice here... or are morals just restricted to talk about smoking cigarettes?

lol, you wanna take my reps because i joined a survey company?

When i joined i was pretty sure it wasnt a scam..

its still not known whether if its scam or not..

i did not recommend it to anyone either..

if the mods think i did anything wrong by joining a goddamn survey company coz my dad told me too..

ban me right away..

 

[kippu]

crazy you guys picking on him for being in it , if hes enjoying the ride , let him re ,if he is getting 4k per month for filling out stuff , then good for him , stop preaching morality , i am sure none of us that moral to tell him that

 

[hawk128]

ohh...gosh....it took arnd 30 mins to read the whole thread and reach here...

@ragzdiablo : just think for a while , why would somebody pay u 4k a month for just filling some survey !
and that too from singapore ?

and you feel its not a scam ; ok for nw ; just let the pyramid grow in size;

I am pretty sure you and ur relatives are well placed on THE pyramid.

dude ,I aint picking on you ....PEACE !

 

[NinByChoice]

if the mods think i did anything wrong by joining a goddamn survey company coz my dad told me too..
ban me right away..

But..but we cant ban your dad

btw your example scenario is very trivial. intelligence, honesty or dumbness didn't play much role in here. it's just a case of carelessness on your part. but this trivial situation can still be explained. if you were really a honest person you would have been conscious about the transaction and would have not allowed carelessness to creep in here even for this petty amount. just being careful about high value transactions itself has shades of 'greed' to it.

Now you are just confused between honesty and carelessness. Its not a petty amount and Im equally careless for high value transactions too. Carry this on later tho.