Here is another example. Again, Apple pulls data feom those sources and is not sending data.
That whole this was around Siri Conversations. Apple has this clearly mentioned in Siri T&C. I beleieve it was made clear by whistleblower that he was working in team that grass Siri responses and made clear that often some things come up when Siri was accidentally activated.
Compare this to Google that takes everything and sells that data
very well, you didnt get my
again,but before explaining it
again, I'll just send you some sources for Apple's privacy breaches
1.
FBI documentation showing how Apple stores iMessage E2EE encryption keys on iCloud which can be accessed via a search warrant by the FBI, and this has always been Apple's "privacy" schtick since that 2015 case, they added iCloud as a backup service for everything and
surprise suprise, unlike in that
very specific 2015 case where they were the very bastions of user privacy, they have always coughed up iCloud data to every agency, and even unlocked iphones before then. And again
surprise surpise, they
declined to encrypt iCloud backups after FBI intervened (source:
https://www.techpolicy.press/a-critical-look-at-apples-privacy-record/) Also, since some peeps
love to crow about Apple and Privacy, go read the article I linked where they coughed up even iCloud messages, images almost as soon as the law enforcement requested it.
2. This
wired article explaining about Apple's increased data collection since its expansion into Advertisements and granted its less egregious than Google but I wont hold my breath when Apple sees that sweet advertising money.
3. you dont think Apple tracking every ****ing touch/click on the app store
despite personalized ads and data usage being off as not a violation of your privacy? I'm really glad to think that other countries think otherwise. (source:
https://x.com/mysk_co/status/1588308341780262912) P.S. you can also find all your network logs that you want.
4. And
this article explains how Apple logs your data
by default (again this shit should be
opt-in and not
opt-out), and how hard it is for an average user to opt out of it.
Bhai, I can really help you to understand the difference. I use iOS and Android, windows and Mac and Linux. If you argue with me acting like I am a Apple fan boy, it's your choice. DM me if you want to know the differences.
I have been pretty much using macs right from the last 6 years in my workplace, straight from those shitty space heater Intel pros to my current M3 pro, I think I am a pretty good authority on what kind of bullshit that comes with a Mac (admittedly from a dev's perspective and with MDM installed), I do have very limited iPhone experience though, mainly second hand.
I can any time disable ask Siri or dictation or both. This removes transcripts that are stored.
did you miss the part where the whistleblower Thomas Le Bonnie said it doesnt matter whether Siri is activated or not,
all conversations are recorded and that literal ****ing job was to transcribe them?
On my iPhone, I use copilot lot more than Siri and I believe even Microsoft collect some of the transcriptions to train their model better. This is necessary and it is cleared mentioned in the T&C. However in-house generated data you use to train your model, it can never get better till you train it with real world data. In the end, by training the model better, I am getting better functionality out of Siri or Copilot. I have been regularly providing suggestions to Copilot every time it gives wrong answer and I keep sending feedback to Apple whenever Siri fails at understanding. This is give-and-take model. I let the model to learn better so that it serves better.
unlike you, I and many others ****ing
mind, when my data is used against my consent for shit like this
But, taking everything that I do on my phone, listening to everything and selling my data to 3rd party advertising companies for making more money is what privacy violation is. By doing this, Google or Facebook or any OEM is not making the platform or features better for end user. Only thing it does is get more money for Google and ad agencies. Worst part is how this data is used to influence elections. That is absolute gross violation of privacy.
Excerpt from that post about why Apple is not better than Google for privacy
I was literally laughing at some of those woke whatever things mentioned in that reddit post. Since when did banning an app considered privacy violation? Some other points about developer policies too have nothing to do with privacy. How is mandating Swift programming a violation of privacy? I do fully agree on the points that Apple is monopolistic and an ass when it comes to App Store fees and service fees. It was pathetic and downright ****ed up asking Patreon to pay them a cut on money paid to creators, money that are given as donation or subscriptions. This is a story for another day and has nothing to do with privacy on phone.
so, according to you, an App store can ban any app they want that
did not violate any TOS
just because the company does not agree with your views, and that too on a monopolistic store (which is under a lawsuit for the aforementioned monopolistic wall gardened policies) where its
virtually impossible to attract users to your app aside from the
again aforementioned App store? if so *
SLOW CLAPS*
also since you didnt bother to quote the whole comment, I'll quote the missed sections
Safari occasionally sends browsing dara to Tencent, the Chinese government “safe browsing” company. This means ALL browsers by the way. It is to check URLs fir “fraudulent” web sites. Also to hunt down dissidents by linking to IP addresses and the GPS dara Apple collects (regardless of whether you turn it off or not).
The iMessage app sends every phone number you text to Apples servers which are recorded for at least 30 days.
IOS has a backdoor for app deletion.
also judging by your previous responses, you did miss the part where
Apple tracks basically everything whether or not you check “do not track” according to an ongoing law suit. For example the Stocks app collects your watch list, stocks that were viewed or searched for, time stamps, and records of articles about stocks that users read. Basically all Apple apps do this
you dont think this is a gross violation of privacy? again
slow claps.
also the real hidden gems that you didnt bother to read
Apple Siri refuses to give information about music charts like Billboard unless you subscribe to Apple Music. Worse iTunes scans looking for music, uploads it to Apple servers, then deletes them from the phone.
this I remember, basically if you backed up your songs to Apple Music and if Apple Music happened to have store versions of those songs, they would delete your files and would replace them with Apple Music versions and god forbid, if you missed a payment or something broke on their end or you cancelled your subscription, I dont think I need to say what will happen then. And you dont think this is a gross privacy violation? *
slow claps*
and even ignoring this, the fact that they yeet your own music and replace with theirs is egregious in and of itself, dunno about others and while I am definitely not as nutty as some music peeps I know, I have spent
years on my music collection, collating metadata, album art,
specific editions of tracks and what not, and just the fact that i can lose all this on the whim of a some nutjob policy, makes me ****ing rage.
When Apple suspects a user of fraud they secretly ban the user for life, purposely crippling all of their Apple devices. There is no appeal.
Again, you dont find any issue with the fact that all your devices are bricked and your account
with your data and purchases just gone because of some asshole somewhere or a shitty trained AI model flagging your account wrongly? *
slow claps*
And finally, if you feel censorship is not a privacy violation then we are at an impasse, you dont get my view of privacy, for me, content being removed just because someone doesnt agree with the views it represents is just as egregious as personalized ads being shoved down my throat.
The biggest confusion people have though is in understanding the difference between privacy violation and serving a judiciary notice. I mentioned this earlier as well in this forum. Companies must disclose data to agencies when there is court order. There is no other way around. It's either that or pack up from the country.
yet Apps like Matrix or Signal operate in those very countries and
still offer privacy to end users (removing Telegram since they removed E2EE completely from even private DMs)
And now coming back to explain my point after wasting almost a solid hour typing this essay out (seriously, we need a markdown editor on TE),
I
DON'T ****ing care if a company tracks less data from me, even if Google and Apple had their positions flipped, I would still bash Google just as badly, the fact that you track my data and that its
opt-out instead of
opt-in automatically makes you an asshole in my books. And this is why I suggested Graphene to you originally, its probably the best way of enjoying modern smartphone conveniences while de-googling or more like removing all tracking from your smartphone which will not make your smartphone a brick
P.S. since you love to cherry pick stuff, here's the
abstract from the pdf you linked,
We investigate what data iOS on an iPhone shares with Apple and what data Google Android on a Pixel phone shares with Google. We find that even when minimally configured and the handset is idle both iOS and Google Android share data with Apple/Google on average every 4.5 mins. The phone IMEI, hardware serial number, SIM serial number and IMSI, handset phone number etc are shared with Apple and Google. Both iOS and Google Android transmit telemetry, despite the user explicitly opting out of this. When a SIM is inserted both iOS and Google Android send details to Apple/Google. iOS sends the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location. Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if any, realistic options for preventing this data sharing.
