So none of us will speak about what happened in kashmir today

[imad7x]

Rather maybe it is time to do an Israel and wipe their entire f###ing terrorist infrastructure from the face of earth.

So killing 99% innocents for the 1% terrorists is the right way?
To do an israel is what, illegally occupying land and killing children because they were apparently used as shields?
I completely sympathize with the Phalgam attack, but bringing Israel into the context isn’t appropriate.

 

[PunkX 75]

Although, according to the current military/firepower strength, India ranks at #4 and Pakistan at #12. Af sits at #118.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php

 

[ibose]

Border surveillance is critical.

Unfortunately that isn't feasible. Even if you are asking for surveillance of all the land locked borders, it is nigh impossible plus there are cases where some Govts tend to look the other way or even interfere for obvious reasons.

So killing 99% innocents for the 1% terrorists is the right way?

Did you even read what I said or just picked the word "Israel" and ran with it ? Which part of the words "terrorist infrastructure" did you miss ?

 

[Husky]

I hope this thread doesn't become communal

 

[imad7x]

Did you even read what I said or just picked the word "Israel" and ran with it ? Which part of the word "terrorist" did you miss ?

I read it just fine but what israel did, calling it a terrorist strike, is killing thousands more children and innocent people. That's what "to do an israel" means. You bringing up Israel into the context changes the entire meaning altogether.

 

[PunkX 75]

I hope this thread doesn't become communal

It won't, we're tackling the topic of terrorism and its source in the current context.

 

[ibose]

I read it just fine but what israel did, calling it a terrorist strike, is killing thousands more children and innocent people. That's what "to do an israel" means. You bringing up Israel into the context changes the entire meaning altogether.

Well, I cannot help it if you choose to interpret it that way by reading only half of it.

 

[sanjeevram]

I strongly disagree on the fact ki our intel and bsf forces failed to protect us, something of this magnitude is impossible without internal support. I am pretty sure the GOI did not sponsor it.
We can make the best of walls and borders and lock it but if we handover the keys to communal harmony...there wont be any harmony left only communal.

I hope this thread doesn't become communal

Why even bring this up, planting a seed where not a single conversation has been regarding that.
The only communal thing in this post was the people who killed checked religion before killing.
And also also in my opinion it was not a terrorist attack.

 

[Husky]

I strongly disagree on the fact ki our intel and bsf forces failed to protect us, something of this magnitude is impossible without internal support. I am pretty sure the GOI did not sponsor it.
We can make the best of walls and borders and lock it but if we handover the keys to communal harmony...there wont be any harmony left only communal.

Why even bring this up, planting a seed where not a single conversation has been regarding that.
The only communal thing in this post was the people who killed checked religion before killing.
And also also in my opinion it was not a terrorist attack.

What kind of attack was it then? I wonder.

 

[sanjeevram]

What kind of attack was it then? I wonder.

We will surely find out soon enough.

 

[PunkX 75]

And also also in my opinion it was not a terrorist attack.

Out of genuine curiosity, what do you think it was? I'm sure you have a personal inclination.

 

[sanjeevram]

Out of genuine curiosity, what do you think it was? I'm sure you have a personal inclination.

This was blackmail and a warning for non muslims to not enter kashmir. Especially thats its gonna be faster and cheaper for us people to enter the valley through the soon to be open trainline and settle there now.

Who does not have a personal inclination ?
But i am a civilized guy, I wont put in the open.
Funny thing is the so called terrorists can have a opinion and not be judged for acting on those opinions, and a lot of people are even afraid to put yesterday's news on their whatsapp status for being judged by their colleagues.

 

[blr_p]

Doesn't fix the root cause. And if this is the option taken, we would better be resigned to more Pahalgams.

Depends what your expectations are.

For instance do you think the Balakote strike served the purpose?

We took out over two hundred operatives with their trainers because we had Intel they were preparing to infiltrate. That's a heavy blow which will take years to recover from in terms of personnel.

This bought us six years of peace. Was that an acceptable duration?

For a change instead of the world saying India should show restraint the narrative flipped and the pressure from external actors was put on Pakistan to show restraint. That our pilot who took out an F16 was returned in 48h just goes to show the pressure put on them.

The attack complicated war planning for pindi. Earlier India wouldn't respond or did so in a non obvious and smaller scale way. This time we literally bombed within Pakistan proper. Big difference in posture there not to mention confidence.

I expected future Pulwamas but they would be few and far apart. And not the kind earlier that were frequent because that maintains momentum among the separatists and boosts their morale. Whereas now this is a desperate attempt to restart affairs again.

What are the chances of that happening? Not very good. In some ways abrogating 370 took the wind out of the movement I suspect for good.

Also they didn't target state actors which was the MO for a decade. That is curious. After 26/11 their focus moved away from civvies and towards either police or the army. See Uri or Pathankot.

Your turn but you need to look away from quick fix/permanent fix like solutions. For one you break it you own it. We don't want that.

 

[TechHead]

This was blackmail and a warning for non muslims to not enter kashmir. Especially thats its gonna be faster and cheaper for us people to enter the valley through the soon to be open trainline and settle there now.

Who does not have a personal inclination ?
But i am a civilized guy, I wont put in the open.
Funny thing is the so called terrorists can have a opinion and not be judged for acting on those opinions, and a lot of people are even afraid to put yesterday's news on their whatsapp status for being judged by their colleagues.

In other words,a terrorist attack? Like Chhittisinghpura and killing Kashmiri Pandits?
Call it for what it is man - Islamic terror. Asking people to pull their pants down, check if they're Muslim, and then kill them? You know who else did this? The attackers on 26/11. What would you call them? Misguided freedom fighters?

 

[BRUT]

Maybe its hightime we handover kashmir today along with our dignity .
Can we as Non-Muslims ever visit kashmir again.
The message seems clear we will kill your Spineless men and come for the ladies later

I missed getting shot there myself by a few short weeks.

 

[roadrash99]

There is nothing to talk about yet other than mourn the incident.

If you want to appear tough and say we should do something big - it's already been tried before - look up what happened in Kashmir in the 90s.
If you want to appear mature and say we should do something targeted - we need to wait for the details, who did it, how did they do it, until then we can't say anything.

There is a reason why insurgencies are hard to fully quash. And only over a long period you can form an assessment of the situation. Incidents like these though unfortunate, shouldn't sway people into throwing away the progress made over the decades. It could easily be a last ditch effort of the militants.

 

[sanjeevram]

In other words,a terrorist attack? Like Chhittisinghpura and killing Kashmiri Pandits?
Call it for what it is man - Islamic terror. Asking people to pull their pants down, check if they're Muslim, and then kill them? You know who else did this? The attackers on 26/11. What would you call them? Misguided freedom fighters?

Sadly calling a spade a spade will be "communal" na...

 

[ibose]

For instance do you think the Balakote strike served the purpose?

Well, in hindsight, not really. We let, what was a tremendous advantage then, slip and allow them to regroup to this. I believe that the strikes needed to be sustained as and when we get any info of any terrorist activity across the border. And if we are saying that nothing was happening all these years then something is seriously wrong.
Six years of peace is no consolation of what just transpired. Besides I don't think this was desperate as it was all planned carefully and executed successfully. No one, and I mean no one, got any wind of this ? Let's see what details emerge.

 

[ramsudharsan75]

Recent statements from Pakistan were indicating that something is being planned and it has happened. Maybe this video can give some perspective on the bigger geopolitical game:

Though my blood is boiling, reacting to such incidents could lead to massive disadvantages. Plan actions properly, make them pay for a lifetime instead instead of a single shot.

 

[blr_p]

Well, in hindsight, not really. We let, what was a tremendous advantage then, slip and allow them to regroup to this.

Who regrouped?

I believe that the strikes needed to be sustained as and when we get any info of any terrorist activity across the border.

You mean like what Israel is doing in Lebanon to Hezbollah? No militants allowed within 30km of the border or south of the Litani. If they break the rules they are swiftly dealt with.

For a start we have no such agreement in place. For good reasons like the terrain rendering it null and void. Not so for the Israelis.

And if we are saying that nothing was happening all these years then something is seriously wrong.

Nobody said nothing was happening. Infiltration continued but in smaller numbers. So right there the difference is seen. The grid we have while not perfect catches 90% of those coming over.

Six years of peace is no consolation of what just transpired. Besides I don't think this was desperate as it was all planned carefully and executed successfully. No one, and I mean no one, got any wind of this ? Let's see what details emerge.

Desperate in terms of intent to restart the separatist movement. The lack of progress has convinced the other side all they need to do is give a little push. I don't think they understand as yet or more likely refuse to accept those days are over. The funding for one has dried up. They may have these over ground workers whose job is to radicalise people but while sentiment might be there that is not the same as acting on it like you could in the 90s say.

Can you think of any other reason for such an attack?

---

PS I'm always amused when Indians say we should do an Israel. Not realising Israel doesn't have a professional army like we do but is an army of conscripts.

While we have similarities in the fight once you drill down the differences emerge.

Why Indians don't say Israel should do an India

For a start our retired officers remain pros and do not get involved in politics to the ridiculous extent their Israeli counterparts do. I'm sure if anyone here tried their pension would get put under review but for some reason that doesn't happen in Israel.

I get that retired personnel are citizens and have rights and whatnot but these people are doing a great disservice to their country. Because of their positions achievements etc they command immediate attention & respect which they then squander in a moronic way for the sake of politics.