So none of us will speak about what happened in kashmir today

[yugaaa]

How is govt. To be blamed for this cowardly act?
Other than lapse in security which also is not possible every time.

Look Anyone can just pull this cowardly act anytime.

...just buy army like clothes and source gun ( which is also not difficult these days ) and go and kill innocent people on the road parks
.jeha mile.

I am not supporting the govt. Btw..just trying to understand how can we blame everything in govt. Just for the sake of it.

What happened to our desi james bond ? Just methane gas and no substance ?
Every time a train derails , terrorism takes place , cloud theory of flying planes in the midnight that you heard on TV and news papers , did it not occur that we are subscribing to rubbish put out by the IT cell and defending idiot ministers in the name of Hindutva and fake nationalism ?
Are not Doval and Amit Shah sons in partnership with Pakistanis , muslims doing their business in the middle east while fanning a muslim vs hindu narrative ?

Terrorism is a cowardly act just like others who are commenting on nuking pakistan and Bangladesh where they think actions have no consequence .
BJp when ever is in a weak spot with regard to media management , we have a terrorist attack . This is too much of a coincidence to ignore every time .

Why should one care what they say or not.
We give them too much bhau( importance).

If hritik or salman says anything...media will start showing..."Salman ne khadi ninda ki hai iski..."
What will happen if he says this ..

Govt. Is figuring out what to do.

This Indus river treaty was already shit. It should have been permanently suspended long time back. Too bad it took killing of so many people to be revoked.

God knows what Nehru was smoking when he gave 80% of the water to an enemy nation.

At the best he could have done 50% 50%

ek se ek ch**** leaders mila hai hame.

Have you even seen the map of the rivers in question ? studied the geography ?? you are blaming Nehru without even knowings the basics .. It is easy to spot a Sanghi or a Bhakt these days from a mile away . Their learning primarily comes from whatsapp university . Do you know how the international water treaties are done ?

Update: India is going to suspend the Indus Water Treaty as a first response:

This is a joke . Govt is acting like a local municipal councilor . If you complain about the street being dirty , the councilor will cut the water supply .

How is govt. To be blamed for this cowardly act?
Other than lapse in security which also is not possible every time.

Look Anyone can just pull this cowardly act anytime.

...just buy army like clothes and source gun ( which is also not difficult these days ) and go and kill innocent people on the road parks
.jeha mile.

I am not supporting the govt. Btw..just trying to understand how can we blame everything in govt. Just for the sake ofYou are in fac

we are complaining about the government but I beg to differ on the fact there was no solid support on ground offered to these muslim terrorists, Because no one will be able to cross 300 Kms inside the border on their own. I M Pretty sure these people will be celebrated in there native countries (Which is anyone's Guess). Theses people might very well could be "Indian Muslims". Will have to wait till due process is followed and someone is caught and even then there would be people who will say that the perpetrators have been victimized and wrongfully accused.

By that logic last year we had two major elections in India nothing of this magnitude happened anywhere . And it could be only the opposition to show how imbecile the current government is. What kind of Idiotic logic is this !!!

The logic here is the mystery . Why do terror attacks happen in India under the current govt only before elections or whenever modi approval ratings take a dip ?
Do we not remember how Modi milked Pulwama ?

 

[kiran6680]

How is govt. To be blamed for this cowardly act?
Other than lapse in security which also is not possible every time.

The hypocrisy is funny. During Mumbai attacks, 26/11/2008 , even before the active fight against the terrorists and freeing the hostages had finished, someone from a neighbouring state, with Z+ level security went to Mumbai. In front of the Oberoi hotel. He started making a speech in front of media, blaming the government, during an active security operation.

His party ran newspaper ads, saying "Brutal terror strikes at will, weak government, unwilling and incapable. Fight terror. Vote <party name>". There was a botanical diagram with the party name.

 

[Darth Vader]

I don't know much about national security & border protection, but "if a bunch of terrorist can walk into your border with weapon on broad daylight, take their time to kill as many as they want selectively and leaves the border without a scratch" then you already failed at your job & look weak to the outsiders. Your own people will have no trust in the Govt irrespective of which political party is in power.

 

[solo_wing]

What happened to our desi james bond ? Just methane gas and no substance ?
Every time a train derails , terrorism takes place , cloud theory of flying planes in the midnight that you heard on TV and news papers , did it not occur that we are subscribing to rubbish put out by the IT cell and defending idiot ministers in the name of Hindutva and fake nationalism ?
Are not Doval and Amit Shah sons in partnership with Pakistanis , muslims doing their business in the middle east while fanning a muslim vs hindu narrative ?

Terrorism is a cowardly act just like others who are commenting on nuking pakistan and Bangladesh where they think actions have no consequence .
BJp when ever is in a weak spot with regard to media management , we have a terrorist attack . This is too much of a coincidence to ignore every time .

Thats the bullshit people like you keep coming up on the internet all the time .
Terrorist attacks like this has been happening since late 1980s .

But you have already made your mind to keep blaming everything BJP instead of using your own brain for once.

Have you even seen the map of the rivers in question ? studied the geography ?? you are blaming Nehru without even knowings the basics ..

I have studied well on this enough to understand and back up what i am saying and no it did not come from whatsapp .

It is easy to spot a Sanghi or a Bhakt these days from a mile away .

Anything you say against Nehru or congress these days and you are immediately called Bhakt.


So what is the use to put one's point when the other person has already labeled you. Not that I care what you think.

The hypocrisy is funny. During Mumbai attacks, 26/11/2008 , even before the active fight against the terrorists and freeing the hostages had finished, someone from a neighbouring state, with Z+ level security went to Mumbai. In front of the Oberoi hotel. He started making a speech in front of media, blaming the government, during an active security operation.

His party ran newspaper ads, saying "Brutal terror strokes at will, weak government, unwilling and incapable. Fight terror. Vote <party name>". There was a botanical diagram with the party name.

Look Indian politics is dirty.. They all will keep blaming each other while we suffer.

this Hypocrisy is

I don't know much about national security & border protection, but "if a bunch of terrorist can walk into your border with weapon on broad daylight, take their time to kill as many as they want selectively and leaves the border without a scratch" then you already failed at your job & look weak to the outsiders. Your own people will have no trust in the Govt irrespective of which political party is in power.

Israel has failed many times to keep a check on its border and its not even that long. USA struggles in same case with Mexico ...Pakistan with Iran and so on.

It is not easy to survey and keep check on entire border all the time that too in mountainous region. Beside they are well planned too.

 

[blr_p]

Now to compare chatGPT to what the General thinks. Straight away it's obvious that chatGPT speaks in a general manner because it doesn't know more whereas the General gets into specifics. Fleshes out the part about how do you go about instilling fear in the other side. How to flex.

The difference between the two responses is really stark. And this isn’t something chatGPT can catch up with anytime soon because experts, those that actually know what they're talking about are few & far between. They make up a very small portion of the public internet.

Check him out. He's always worth a listen

1. Immediate Security Response.

The perps had domestic help. That's how they moved in and out undetected. Crack down on the OGW's (Overground workers) these are people who perpetuate separatist thought. The public should understand there is a cost for aiding & abetting the enemy.


There should be a visible police presence in and around tourist areas. Does not have to be heavy or army just police and obvious enough to deter similar. The place where the attack occurred didn't have such a presence and was chosen purposely as access to it was only by foot.

Review the present security infrastructure and make changes. There should be no talk of reduction of forces. That time hasn't come as yet.

Don't stop tourists from coming. Encourage them.


2. What do you do?

Light up the LoC. Fire along the LoC and in depth. Upto 50km inside. Complete shock & awe along the LoC.

Until now the PA has been west facing and getting hammered in Balochistan. Their Eastern front has been silent for a while since they begged for a cease fire. Not anymore. They must be scrambling already. The whole PA must be deployed. Keep them deployed because every day deployed costs them money they don't have.

We don’t have to mobilise but our signalling should be to tie all of the PA down. Stretch them out to a breaking point.

3. PO J&K is ours. Hold elections for it. Nominate reps wherever they are and let people vote. Have the reps sit in parliament and make a noise. Their seats have been idle since independence. Politically people of PO J&K should be represented in India. Let people from both sides talk. The people of J&K should clamour for PO J&K and demand to be reunited. Lobby in international forums about taking back PO J&K. Reach out to the people in PO J&K and get them to interfere in the Chinese projects there because they are all illegal.

Trump, Putin & MBS have already spoken for us because we matter to them. Use this diplomatic heft to make headway into PO J&K.

Let the disputed status of PO J&K take hold and become centre stage. Eclipsing this erstwhile 'Kashmir' struggle.

4. Can a case be made to scrap the Indus water treaty. This does not mean water stops flowing into Pakistan because we lack the wherewithal to do it. It means we are free to do as we please and can build as we see fit and this gives us leverage. eg. Building a canal from Chenab to the Ravi will complicate things for the other side. So announce what we want to do and let them come running.

5. Sever diplomatic relations. No more travel to Pakistan. Close the Kartapur corridor even. End the border ceremonies like Wagah. Stop 3rd party delivery of Indian goods to the other side. Think foodstuffs & medecines. Let the people ask Asim Munir and the PA to provide these goods. They won't be able to.

Use reverse tariffs so Indian goods become unaffordable in Pakistan. Stop Pak aircraft from over flying India. This affects international flights leaving Pakistan.

6. The goal is to ensure people of Pakistan hit out at the PA.

Yeh jo dehshatgardi hai, iske peeche wardi hai (The ones responsible for terrorism are the ones in uniform)

That is one hell of a slogan the pashtun in Pakistan said to the PA a few years ago. Amplify it. There are plenty of people disgruntled with the PA. Use them. We have the funds.

Asim Munir asks whether 1,500 BLM is really a problem for the PA. Let’s help make that 15,000. To date we've only given moral help to the Baloch. Let's give them more. Can the Taliban be made use of here?

That's how you stretch the PA to a point they can't handle things internally. They now have to deal with external pressure from Balochistan, Afghanistan, PO J&K & CPEC.

7. What do you do about China?

Start having a tough line with them. Don't have to link things. Trade is one way. Act indirectly. Be nuanced. The idea is whenever Pakistan does anything China should get the message.

Quite a difference between chatGPT & human experts

 

[kiran6680]

How is govt. To be blamed for this cowardly act?
Other than lapse in security which also is not possible every time.

Look Indian politics is dirty..

So this is the answer to your question in your own words, your own terminology, consistent with your own worldview. This is how govt. is to be blamed. Hope you understand.

 

[Darth Vader]

It is not easy to survey and keep check on entire border all the time that too in mountainous region. Beside they are well planned too.

Okie, but atleast kill/capture them before they can leave ? What is the response time to a terrorist attack in a region known to have constant infiltration of terrorist ? I know you're not the spokesperson and we all have diff opinions, but the fact is this is our failure & no excuses are acceptable. Our Govt should retaliate strong and convincing enough.

 

[k_m_Arya]

It is full of Hypocrites, for ex Surya and Jyotika from south who openly opose hindi education in Tamil nadu have shifted to Mumbai two years back

what bakwaas is this bro? Jyothika is from Mumbai she worked in tamil films married a tamil guy and settled in Chennai for a part of her life now they have moved to her native place. As long as they don't force their language on others no one needs to troll them. No one in the south is against voluntary learning of hindi what they are against is mandatory imposition of hindi. We have
Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha headquarters in Chennai has that building been vandalised? The answer is no.

What causes issue is ego/arrogance of certain people in a particular demographic, they have generational trauma. You ever hear of a phrase a child bullied/abused at home will bully/abuse others at school. Same thing here they see what the islamists impose on people and they impose their language on other people.

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A video that is making the rounds on social media platform X, formerly Twitter has ignited a fresh debate over language use in public institutions, specifically banks. The post, which centers on a heated exchange between a customer and a bank manager in Kolar, Karnataka, highlights the tension...

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Kanimozhi slams Centre over ‘zero’ permanent Tamil teachers in Kendriya Vidyalayas

DMK MP Kanimozhi raised concerns over the absence of permanent Tamil teachers in Kendriya Vidyalayas in Tamil Nadu. The Centre confirmed there were 86 Hindi and 65 Sanskrit teachers but none for Tamil. Kanimozhi questioned the BJP government’s language policy and its impact on nationalism.

www.indiatoday.in

https://navodaya.gov.in/nvs/nvs-school/KOZHIKODE/en/about_us/Staff/Teaching-Staff/

If jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya a central government run institution is following NEP where are the staff for other languages there should be staff irrespective of whether students choice don't you think? They should have appointed staff for marathi, kannada, Telugu, tamil and so on? Students need to have wide variety of choices?

Anyways this is totally off topic to the thread and I don't think it is appropriate to engage in this topic on this thread.

 

[solo_wing]

So this is the answer to your question in your own words, your own terminology, consistent with your own worldview. This is how govt. is to be blamed. Hope you understand.

My answer was already there on the earlier comment you quoted. Where I clearly mentioned about security lapse on govt. part too .
But very conveniently you ignored it .

What happened to our desi james bond ? Just methane gas and no substance ?
Every time a train derails , terrorism takes place , cloud theory of flying planes in the midnight that you heard on TV and news papers , did it not occur that we are subscribing to rubbish put out by the IT cell and defending idiot ministers in the name of Hindutva and fake nationalism ?

Ajit Doval has done a lot for the country.
He has been serving India since 1960s ...playing major role in Sikkim annexation to negotiation with hard rebels of Mizoram and Nagaland .

He has been playing crucial role in many operations and intelligence since much before BJP formed Govt.

To call him methane gas and no substance shows you are here only with your own agenda.

What is the response time to a terrorist attack in a region known to have constant infiltration of terrorist ? I know you're not the spokesperson and we all have diff opinions, but the fact is this is our failure & no excuses are acceptable. Our Govt should retaliate strong and convincing enough.

Usually in Kashmir as far as i know ...there are three-tier force structure..Indian Army, Central Armed Police force and local J&K force. There is a reward system too. Whoever kills the terrorist are rewarded but Indian Army plays the major part in operations and sometimes locals can be double agents too.

It is a failure for sure but we have to understand ...It is impossible to stop these attacks. No country has been successful to ever stop it completely.

I saw an Interview of a Israeli security Analyst long time back and he said it very clearly - You cannot stop all the attacks even with best intelligence or security setup and he further said .. A person who has already made his mind to kill you and be killed for that will be nearly impossible to stop.

 

[k_m_Arya]

I just want to poll all members their thoughts on this statement and whether they feel it is true or false.

The government has failed the armed forces in that they have not kept their equipment to the latest standards.

The past few years I have read lots of news about how pilots were dying in training exercises since their helicopters were so old and malfunctions were also happening a lot. Instead of providing freebies like cash to women, BJP should have focused more on spending money on defence.

'Even One Crash Is Too Many'

The death of a young pilot and three fighter jet crashes prompt the question -- should there be more simulation training?

www.rediff.com

 

[blr_p]

It is a failure for sure but we have to understand ...It is impossible to stop these attacks. No country has been successful to ever stop it completely.

Then how can it be a failure?

Nobody would hold the government responsible for this incident. This is a neat deflection by the opposition from the real issue that is radical Islam. The government should crack down on these characters.

No more swearing on the Koran in Kashmir. Only the Indian constitution.

 

[yugaaa]

Thats the bullshit people like you keep coming up on the internet all the time .
Terrorist attacks like this has been happening since late 1980s .

But you have already made your mind to keep blaming everything BJP instead of using your own brain for once.


I have studied well on this enough to understand and back up what i am saying and no it did not come from whatsapp .



Anything you say against Nehru or congress these days and you are immediately called Bhakt.


So what is the use to put one's point when the other person has already labeled you. Not that I care what you think.

Look Indian politics is dirty.. They all will keep blaming each other while we suffer.

this Hypocrisy is

Israel has failed many times to keep a check on its border and its not even that long. USA struggles in same case with Mexico ...Pakistan with Iran and so on.

It is not easy to survey and keep check on entire border all the time that too in mountainous region. Beside they are well planned too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915099757300858937

. Since you claim to.have studied the treaty and geography ,can you please go.through the gentleman tweet and clarify ? FYI .. he is a renowed water resources specialist .

Blaming Nehru or Gandhi for following international.conventions after 70+ years whithout having even the basic knowledge or common sense is why such people.get tagged as bhakts .
Are you suggesting Indian army is useless when pitted against a well planned terrorist groups ?
Israel and palestine virtually have no border . Tunnels can be dug and movement can happen . So are you trying to normalise terrorist attacks ,railway accidents ? We lost more no. Of people due to.railway accidents ,road accidents . When the incidents happen sensible people are put down when they raise questions citing fake nationalism ,politicising a bad incident . Has it even been accounted or has the govt ever been accountable ?

 

[k_m_Arya]

Then how can it be a failure?

Nobody would hold the government responsible for this incident. This is a neat deflection by the oppositio ln from the real issue that is radical Islam. The government should crack down on these characters.

I agree the government should crack down but how will they do it. The government is a giant machine which effectively makes policies. The armed forces implement it but to do it effectively they need to be given the sufficient tools. You can't give them antiques and expect miracles. Give them fifth generation fighters, rafales, jaguar. Give them the latest drone technologies.

Why was recruitment paused? We now have shortage of people and that's an irony since we have huge population unemployed and vacancies in armed forces and railways.

 

[blr_p]

Since you claim to.have studied the treaty and geography ,can you please go.through the gentleman tweet and clarify ? FYI .. he is a renowed water resources specialist .

It's not about stopping the water buy rather interfering with it and drawing leverage. Your water expert does not know warfare.

The General has already mentioned one scenario.

 

[k_m_Arya]

What India can do I guess then is follow israel's footsteps and poison the water supply since gravity will take care of the rest.

Water for peace? Peace for water in Gaza!

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Operation Cast Thy Bread - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[blr_p]

I agree the government should crack down but how will they do it.

have you heard of PFI and governments actions against. That is an example at the national level.

what's needed is action at the local level and thats why he mentioned going after the OGW's and other things.

Put it this way. Things that happen there or are allowed to happen there would seem odd to anyone from the rest of the country. Appears less Indian is what I'm getting at. That difference encourages separatism and othering.

This has gone on for decades with a clear separatist agenda that J&K is not India. It will take time to change that perception.

What India can do I guess then is follow israel's footsteps and poison the water supply since gravity will take care of the rest.

1. No
2. Israel poisoning wells is an example of jihadi propaganda. Lies.

 

[k_m_Arya]

Then why not take a page from jihadi propaganda and implement it? Are they scared to show them a mirror to their face? If they can do it so can we? Don't you think so?

 

[blr_p]

Then why not take a page from jihadi propaganda and implement it?

Meaning?

Are they scared to show them a mirror to their face? If they can do it so can we? Don't you think so?

We are off to a late start.

Terrorism isn't the main issue.

Kashmir and its status is. We've only seriously addressed this since 370. Six years ago.

The jihadis have had a free run there for thirty odd years. Because intervening governments, all coalition were too weak to do the needful sooner.

We've mollycoddled these people for decades and nothing improved in fact it got worse. The hardliners took advantage. Until 370.

 

[k_m_Arya]

poison the water supply since gravity will take care of the rest.

 

[solo_wing]

Then how can it be a failure?

a security lapse is still considered a failure. Even though it is nearly impossible to get all scenarios right all the time.


1000s of scenarios can happen anytime in Kashmir.

How many can the govt. Get it right everytime?.

As much as it easy to blame the govt.

Something happened with someone I know.
he by mistake took scissors and knife on an international flight as carry-on
was really lucky to have had not to throw it.

Was it security lapse yes but ask yourself is it possible all the time everytime to keep checking thousands of passengers bags at same time.