Storage Solutions SSD Queries & Discussion Thread

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I don't think SSD's give enough performance gain to warrant giving 12.5k for a puny 80GB of space or do they?

Wait 10 seconds or 1 second does it matter?

We won't Die or Lose work if we wait 9-10 seconds extra?

What the hell are TRIM & GC also what is their purpose?
 
TRIM - Wiki

IMO SSDs are quite worth it if you can shell out that kind of moolah to buy a drive.

I for one would wait for some time for SSDs to become mainstream OS drives. Maybe in a year's time or a little less. I'd wait for WD to launch one rather.

Besides, space doesn't matter when it comes to SSDs since you might store the OS and perhaps the game installations and the likes on the SSD. So price per GB doesn't matter much if you ask.
 
Udit said:
I don't think SSD's give enough performance gain to warrant giving 12.5k for a puny 80GB of space or do they?

Wait 10 seconds or 1 second does it matter?



We won't Die or Lose work if we wait 9-10 seconds extra?

What the hell are TRIM & GC also what is their purpose?

In that case most of the high performance stuff you get is not worth the cost .

As for SSD's even I am going to wait till its like 60 - 70$ for the 80gig version . (6-8 months ?)
 
udayrulz said:
In that case most of the high performance stuff you get is not worth the cost.

I get high performance stuff to run games at all max with AA at 1080p & Show-Off

A Fast HDD just reduces installation & loading times of games, apps & os after that's done it's useless isn't it?

WD Black is fast enough & 1TB of it costs 5-6k
 
SumitB said:
Actually, I too am getting an itch to go the SSD way. So will keep an eye on this thread. :-)

I'm too getting the SSD itch but need to know it's worth before I drop 12.5k on it :O
 
Udit said:
I get high performance stuff to run games at all max with AA at 1080p & Show-Off

A Fast HDD just reduces installation & loading times of games, apps & os after that's done it's useless isn't it

WD Black is fast enough & 1TB of it costs 5-6k

A 200$ video card is going to give you an upgrade in gaming for the 10-20% of the time you use your PC.

A 200$ SSD is going to make your system feel fresh and snappy for the ramining 80-90% of the time. I feel like I am always working on a system that has a fresh install of Windows.

The small things like opening a pdf in a browser, opening a large word document someone mailed you, having incredible boot/restart times, etc

That performance for 80-90% of the time I use my computer is definitely worth the 200$ to me.

(Of course, there is the small gain in loading times in games but that is not the main reason to get an SSD)
 
Just in case if anyone has been keeping a note on the price tag of SSDs for months. All of a sudden the price went up by 40%, and the reason was the demand and less production
 
What are you talking about.There is a recent thread in the Show Off Section where somebody got an x-25 80Gb for 12.5k which is 1-1.5k less than what I remember it was just a month back.
 
Udit said:
I don't think SSD's give enough performance gain to warrant giving 12.5k for a puny 80GB of space or do they?

Wait 10 seconds or 1 second does it matter?

We won't Die or Lose work if we wait 9-10 seconds extra?
I guess you're thinking just in terms of gaming performance in which case it doesn't matter as almost everything is first loaded into the RAM anyway.

Also you're thinking about the price per performance factor in terms of SSDs purely as a storage solution. Imo, considering their current pricing, SSDs aren't feasible as a good storage solution.
Just install your OS and games on it, and say Hello to 5 second cold boots and Goodbye to texture streaming in poorly coded games :D.
 
Udit said:
I don't think SSD's give enough performance gain to warrant giving 12.5k for a puny 80GB of space or do they?

Wait 10 seconds or 1 second does it matter?

We won't Die or Lose work if we wait 9-10 seconds extra?

What the hell are TRIM & GC also what is their purpose?

Die/Lose work is a relative term. Some people use SSDs coz it helps them get their work done faster, a few use them because it's the in thing, while most appreciate the overall snappiness they bring to your machine.

TRIM/GC are technologies that help offset the inherent disadvantage of solid state devices.

In simple terms, as SSDs get filled with data, they get slower. TRIM is basically is an Operating System issued command that tells the SSD controller to completely purge those particular blocks of data.

The task of keeping track of blocks to cleanup is left to the OS. In garbage collection this functionality is handled by the controller itself.

Desecrator said:
TRIM - Wiki

IMO SSDs are quite worth it if you can shell out that kind of moolah to buy a drive.

I for one would wait for some time for SSDs to become mainstream OS drives. Maybe in a year's time or a little less. I'd wait for WD to launch one rather.

Besides, space doesn't matter when it comes to SSDs since you might store the OS and perhaps the game installations and the likes on the SSD. So price per GB doesn't matter much if you ask.

WD already has SSDs. I should add, that they are among the most ridiculously priced SSDs in the market as well right now. $250 for a 64GB SSD.

Saying, Price per GB doesn't matter much is kinda silly imho :P

It's probably gonna be atleast 24-36 months before SSDs get close to approaching HDD pricing, but still, it is a pretty significant factor.

Intel will be launching their G3 drives later this year (q3/q4). This should see a nice downward bump in prices. In the range of $80-100 for a 64GB drive. imho that should be a very nice pricepoint to jump onto the bandwagon.

Udit said:
I get high performance stuff to run games at all max with AA at 1080p & Show-Off

A Fast HDD just reduces installation & loading times of games, apps & os after that's done it's useless isn't it?

WD Black is fast enough & 1TB of it costs 5-6k

you don't use your computer to just play games do you? Or do you buy stuff just to showoff? :P

An SSD is gonna do what you mentioned as well as make a HUGE difference to day to day usage. Whether that difference can be quantified in terms of the expense involved is a personal issue and for you to make up your mind on.

Personally, I am of the opinion that if you can afford to go the SSD way, you should. As of right now, I cant :(, hence the wait for prices to come down a bit more.

saumilsingh said:
I guess you're thinking just in terms of gaming performance in which case it doesn't matter as almost everything is first loaded into the RAM anyway.

Also you're thinking about the price per performance factor in terms of SSDs purely as a storage solution. Imo, considering their current pricing, SSDs aren't feasible as a good storage solution.

Just install your OS and games on it, and say Hello to 5 second cold boots and Goodbye to texture streaming in poorly coded games :D.

+1
 
stalker said:
Some people use SSDs coz it helps them get their work done faster, a few use them because it's the in thing, while most appreciate the overall snappiness they bring to your machine.

+1 For me its ALL three :D The Crucial M225 model which I have is excellent in that it has both TRIM (for Win7) and the lifesaver GC (for Linux which currently has poor TRIM support) ... I am definitely going to put SSDs on any new machines I build for myself or friends/relatives... and I will try to convince my office admins to buy the next laptop with an SSD because I am looking forward to its performance there...
 
vishalrao said:
+1 For me its ALL three :D The Crucial M225 model which I have is excellent in that it has both TRIM (for Win7) and the lifesaver GC (for Linux which currently has poor TRIM support) ... I am definitely going to put SSDs on any new machines I build for myself or friends/relatives... and I will try to convince my office admins to buy the next laptop with an SSD because I am looking forward to its performance there...

Absolutely try to get the office guys to get you an SSD. I installed a 256GB Corsair for my dad's HP, that damn thing absolutely flies. Nearly cost as much as the damn laptop!
 
saumilsingh said:
Also you're thinking about the price per performance factor in terms of SSDs purely as a storage solution. Imo, considering their current pricing, SSDs aren't feasible as a good storage solution.
Just install your OS and games on it, and say Hello to 5 second cold boots and Goodbye to texture streaming in poorly coded games :D.

I'm thinking of ssd's as a os drive only but I can't fit everything (os, apps & games) in 80GB :S

@stalker, Thanks & your post made sense

how are:
Newegg.com - Kingston SSDNow V Series SNV425-S2BN/128GB 2.5" 128GB SATA II Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - SSD
Newegg.com - Corsair Nova Series CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - SSD

how are these?

both support TRIM

do they support GC?
 
Udit said:
I'm thinking of ssd's as a os drive only but I can't fit everything (os, apps & games) in 80GB :S

@stalker, Thanks & your post made sense

how are:
Newegg.com - Kingston SSDNow V Series SNV425-S2BN/128GB 2.5" 128GB SATA II Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - SSD
Newegg.com - Corsair Nova Series CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - SSD

how are these?

both support TRIM

do they support GC?

The Kingston is a Toshiba-controller based drive. Not too fast.Does not have TRIM.
The Corsair is based off the Indilinx Barefoot controller IIRC.. not too fast again. Supports TRIM. I would recommend the Intel 160GB G2.. best all round drive right now.
 
TechHead said:
The Kingston is a Toshiba-controller based drive. Not too fast.Does not have TRIM.

The Corsair is based off the Indilinx Barefoot controller IIRC.. not too fast again. Supports TRIM. I would recommend the Intel 160GB G2.. best all round drive right now.

but intel shows 70MB/s write while Kingston & Corsair show 150MB/s+ :S

my budget is like $300 (including kmd charges) if I buy & intel 160gb is like $500
 
Try to get the Crucial M225 128gb model (or an OCZ model with same controllre and firmware), good balance between size/cost/perf and should get it for about 20k now and latest firmware has both TRIM + GC and works great with Win7 and also Linux with a simple setting to be tweaked :D I get about 215 MBps read and 190 MBps write speeds and of course the seek (latency/lag) times are super fast! The same SSD will work with your desktop and can be fit into your laptop too...

Please do read through contents of each link pasted here:

Blog: Coding Horror: The State of Solid State Hard Drives
Showoff: http://www.techenclave.com/show-off/the-winchester-killer-154619.html
SSD IC: http://www.techenclave.com/hot-deal...riot-torqx-64gb-pfz64gs25ssdr-ssd-154801.html
Benchies: http://www.techenclave.com/show-off/the-winchester-killer-154619-2.html#post1357052
Linux: http://www.techenclave.com/open-source-and-linux/the-ssds-with-linux-thread-157152.html
 
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