Subhas Chandra Bose wanted ruthless dictatorship in India for 20 years

[Lord Nemesis]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-India-for-20-years/articleshow/46980513.cms

Netaji Bose, by his own admission in his book, "Indian Struggle" (published in 1935 in London), believed India needed a political system that was a mix of fascism and communism — something that he called samyavad.

A lot of people still see Bose as a freedom fighter, but I believe that has he got any control over India, it would have ended up in a much worse state than Nazi Germany at least in terms of atrocities on people. Our population would probably be less than 1/4th of what it is now and majority of Indians based on their race, caste and other criteria would have been in concentration camps either being used in experiments or doing hard labor for a select "elite" few

Bose was a keen supporter of both Fascism and communism. He and his wife were supposedly responsible for a majority of poisoning of Hitlers mind with the Aryan supremacy theory and convinced him that he was a savior of the Aryan race ( an avatar of God) and encouraged him to commit many atrocities. They also convinced him Aryans in India should not be allowed to be ruled by the British because they are of a much superior race than than the British. His INA (Indian National Army or Azad hind Fauj) was for all purposes a division of Hitlers Nazi army.

If nothing else, the atrocities committed by the INA and their Japanese allies when they invaded India should serve as a an example of what would have happened had he got control in India. Indian soldiers who were captured (war prisoners) were used for target practice and the victims were also cannibalized (their flesh eaten). This was because they believed that eating the flesh of their prey gives them immunity from their prey for future hunt.

If anything people ought to be thankful that Chandra Bose did not get the chance to have his way with the country.

 

[bigb123]

If nothing else, the atrocities committed by the INA and their Japanese allies when they invaded India should serve as a an example of what would have happened had he got control in India. Indian soldiers who were captured (war prisoners) were used for target practice and the victims were also cannibalized (their flesh eaten). This was because they believed that eating the flesh of their prey gives them immunity from their prey for future hunt.

Any solid proof or just plain imagination.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

^^ Search in google, you will find several references. Its even republished in TOI a few months back (original news about it published back in the 1940's).

 

[booo]

you are talking things as if you were first hand witness to everything that you mentioned.

 

[avi]

Any solid proof or just plain imagination.

^^ Search in google, you will find several references. Its even republished in TOI a few months back (original news about it published back in the 1940's).

This one I think: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...live-targets-in-WWII/articleshow/40017577.cms

 

[drkrack]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-India-for-20-years/articleshow/46980513.cms



A lot of people still see Bose as a freedom fighter, but I believe that has he got any control over India, it would have ended up in a much worse state than Nazi Germany at least in terms of atrocities on people. Our population would probably be less than 1/4th of what it is now and majority of Indians based on their race, caste and other criteria would have been in concentration camps either being used in experiments or doing hard labor for a select "elite" few

Bose was a keen supporter of both Fascism and communism. He and his wife were supposedly responsible for a majority of poisoning of Hitlers mind with the Aryan supremacy theory and convinced him that he was a savior of the Aryan race ( an avatar of God) and encouraged him to commit many atrocities. They also convinced him Aryans in India should not be allowed to be ruled by the British because they are of a much superior race than than the British. His INA (Indian National Army or Azad hind Fauj) was for all purposes a division of Hitlers Nazi army.

If nothing else, the atrocities committed by the INA and their Japanese allies when they invaded India should serve as a an example of what would have happened had he got control in India. Indian soldiers who were captured (war prisoners) were used for target practice and the victims were also cannibalized (their flesh eaten). This was because they believed that eating the flesh of their prey gives them immunity from their prey for future hunt.

If anything people ought to be thankful that Chandra Bose did not get the chance to have his way with the country.

I guess it would still have been less miserable than Playboy becoming PM for 17yrs. We gave virtual dictatorship to a undeserved candidate.

Name a policy that has been successfully conceptualized & implemented in his tenure. Nation has paid a lot for his personal ambitions.

The fourth generation of his Kith & Kins are fighting the election on the same issues which he fought.

 

[axeman]

In hindsight many will feel that this would have put the nation on a better path to growth. Also, could have either furthered the cause of corruption or hindered it depending on view points and thought processes applied. Still, this is now just an academic discussion.

 

[avi]

I guess it would still have been less miserable than Playboy becoming PM for 17yrs. We gave virtual dictatorship to a undeserved candidate

Yup. North Korea is surely a better place.

source: me go there for holidays

In hindsight many will feel that this would have put the nation on a better path to growth. Also, could have either furthered the cause of corruption or hindered it depending on view points and thought processes applied. Still, this is now just an academic discussion.

Absolute power corrupts anyone. This would have made rather worse.

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One more thing, when Bose sought for alliance of Hitler, he surely did know what was going on in those concentration camps. Yeah yeah, I get it, enemy's enemy and all... But just that I would never make a deal with evil or seek help. Hitler was plain evil. And Bose shook hands with him.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

you are talking things as if you were first hand witness to everything that you mentioned.

Like where? I used the word "supposedly" in my text because my only source was online and offline reading and what my dad used to tell me when I was a kid. He himself was a teenager during the 40's.

 

[booo]

^well, just dont pick sides even before the discussion starts. Everything is not black and white in this world.

because no one knew about either concentration camps or Japanese Unit 731.
btw, Americans let go all of the Unit 731's members free after the japanese surrender. what does that make of America?

 

[booo]

One more thing, when Bose sought for alliance of Hitler, he surely did know what was going on in those concentration camps. Yeah yeah, I get it, enemy's enemy and all... But just that I would never make a deal with evil or seek help. Hitler was plain evil. And Bose shook hands with him.

Also, fatalities w.r.t armed struggle for independence would have been a lot lot more compared to non violent protests. we would've got a bloody independence but at what cost?

 

[avi]

because no one knew about either concentration camps or Japanese Unit 731.

Germans knew. Bose was in Germany. Those Nazis were proud of what they were doing and there were many repeated newspapers publications about concentration camps. The first concentration camp was in 1933-34, but yes, outside world had no idea what was going on.

But Bose had friendship and connections with higher ups in Nazis. He knew Goebbels. But... He also knew Hienrich Himler, who was the mastermind behind these camps. Himmler set up and controlled all those camps.

Also, Bose was not some tourist visiting Germany or some ignorant journalist who went to German. This fact alone makes me believe that Bose certainly knew about concentration camps.

 

[koolcoolkg]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-India-for-20-years/articleshow/46980513.cms



A lot of people still see Bose as a freedom fighter, but I believe that has he got any control over India, it would have ended up in a much worse state than Nazi Germany at least in terms of atrocities on people. Our population would probably be less than 1/4th of what it is now and majority of Indians based on their race, caste and other criteria would have been in concentration camps either being used in experiments or doing hard labor for a select "elite" few

Bose was a keen supporter of both Fascism and communism. He and his wife were supposedly responsible for a majority of poisoning of Hitlers mind with the Aryan supremacy theory and convinced him that he was a savior of the Aryan race ( an avatar of God) and encouraged him to commit many atrocities. They also convinced him Aryans in India should not be allowed to be ruled by the British because they are of a much superior race than than the British. His INA (Indian National Army or Azad hind Fauj) was for all purposes a division of Hitlers Nazi army.

If nothing else, the atrocities committed by the INA and their Japanese allies when they invaded India should serve as a an example of what would have happened had he got control in India. Indian soldiers who were captured (war prisoners) were used for target practice and the victims were also cannibalized (their flesh eaten). This was because they believed that eating the flesh of their prey gives them immunity from their prey for future hunt.

If anything people ought to be thankful that Chandra Bose did not get the chance to have his way with the country.

Utter Nonsense!!!

If you read his biography, you will come to know that he never was discriminatory on the basis of caste,culture,etc.

Nazi Germany is totally different.
He would had progressed India 10x where China stands now.

If you read Marx and Lenin's books,Communalism has no link to religion.
Even in communist countries like Russia at that time didn't execute people for practicing their religion.

Communalism is strictly related to Capitalism - Each and everyone should have equal share.

Hitler modified it to religious aspects by killing Jews.

Research before commenting.

 

[koolcoolkg]

Germans knew. Bose was in Germany. Those Nazis were proud of what they were doing and there were many repeated newspapers publications about concentration camps. The first concentration camp was in 1933-34, but yes, outside world had no idea what was going on.

But Bose had friendship and connections with higher ups in Nazis. He knew Goebbels. But... He also knew Hienrich Himler, who was the mastermind behind these camps. Himmler set up and controlled all those camps.

Also, Bose was not some tourist visiting Germany or some ignorant journalist who went to German. This fact alone makes me believe that Bose certainly knew about concentration camps.

Bose's only and only intentions with friendship of the Germans , Japanese was to free India.

Who would he use concentration camps for
Muslims ? Britishers ?

 

[rishabh.asthana]

Bose's only and only intentions with friendship of the Germans , Japanese was to free India.

Who would he use concentration camps for
Muslims ? Britishers ?

Like the Nazis or the Japanese would have left if India would have gained it freedom using their help. They would have forced India to follow their whims. Conditions would have been much worse than that under british rule.

If Bose still supported Nazis and Japanese even after knowing the atrocities they were committing then I believe it was much better that we gained independence without his help.

He would have used the concentration camps on people who followed different ideologies than him. Also I never found out what were his credentials to make himself the leader of INA? Was he a proven military leader or he just saw an opportunity and seized it.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Utter Nonsense!!!

If you read his biography, you will come to know that he never was discriminatory on the basis of caste,culture,etc.

Nazi Germany is totally different.
He would had progressed India 10x where China stands now.

If you read Marx and Lenin's books,Communalism has no link to religion.
Even in communist countries like Russia at that time didn't execute people for practicing their religion.

Communalism is strictly related to Capitalism - Each and everyone should have equal share.

Hitler modified it to religious aspects by killing Jews.

Research before commenting.

What are you blabbering about? Where exactly did I talk anything about religion? Religion has no relationship to it at all. Religion had nothing to do with what Hitler did. All those atrocities were racially motivated. Although the word Jew is loosely used, his rampage was against all people who originally hailed from Israel. Didn't matter what their religion was. In his eyes, they were all inferior and akin to animals. In fact he even considered people with physical and mental disabilities to be inferior humans who did not deserve to live. As such they were also put in concentration camps and used for human experiments.

The closest race has any relationship to in India is the caste system. So if something similar got replicated in India, it would have been on basis of race or caste. Bose was obsessed with fascism and dictatorship. Not only was he an admirer of various dictators like Mussolini and Hitler and went around making friendships with such people, but he himself was in turn admired by people like Hitler. He and his wife were apparently very close to Hitler and were apparently responsible for poisoning Hitler's mind with ideas of Racial supremacy. He was also admired by the Japanese whose war efforts also had racial supremacy at its core.

China is currently where it is because of communism. Communism is never practically implementable in the way its preached. When everybody is supposed to get equal share regardless of less or more they work, the end result would be that no body works. So, in 100% of the cases, it ends up as a dictatorship where people are all forced to work whether they like it or not. Communism has no relation to religion. In fact, religious freedom is actually frowned upon in communist countries. Most communist countries don't want people practising any religion. They want the people's loyalty to be first and foremost towards the country and the people ruling them. Recently a guy in china was jailed for growing a beard after he converted to Islam.

And yeah, Is it really a surprise that dictatorships are always good for the unification and progress of the country. Nazi Germany advanced technology by a few hundred years in just a few years. Their rampart experimenting on humans is the basis for all medical advances that came drastically from that point. When a single person is forcing the entire population to move in one direction of his choosing, you don't need to second guess about the country advancing in that direction. Democracy is utterly useless in that sense. When people have too much freedom and moving in whatever direction they want to, the country is just going to torn apart with internal conflict and will move in no direction.

The question whether people would be fine with sacrificing their freedom (including the right to live) in favour of having such utter control just to enable the country to move in one direction at the whims of one person. There is no doubt that it will work, but at what cost? Subhas Chandra Bose apparently thought that the cost was okay and he preferred to have a country of mindless drones ruled by a dictator to one that where people were divided and didn't progress because they had too much freedom.

 

[avi]

Also I never found out what were his credentials to make himself the leader of INA? Was he a proven military leader or he just saw an opportunity and seized it.

from Bose's Wiki page:

Bose had great drive and charisma—creating popular Indian slogans, such as "Jai Hind,"—and the INA under Bose was a model of diversity by region, ethnicity, religion, and even gender. However, Bose turned out to be militarily unskilled,[ and his military effort was short lived

Gordon, p. 517: Quote: "At the same time that the Japanese appreciated the firmness with which Bose's forces continued to fight, they were endlessly exasperated with him. A number of Japanese officers, even those like Fujiwara, who were devoted to the Indian cause, saw Bose as a military incompetent as well as an unrealistic and stubborn man who saw only his own needs and problems and could not see the larger picture of the war as the Japanese had to."

 

[krugur]

What ever be his intentions and his methods, what he did "did" make and impact in the freedom struggle and for that he was a freedom fighter.
Like we cant read his mind, we can only speculate how it would and could be, based on facts "we" know, his army helped put a bit of scare in the British and helped take the fight to them.

 

[sabby]

@Lord Nemesis I'm kind of shocked to see this from a sensible poster as you !! Please don't base your opinions from articles in newspaper like ToI. I also noticed both the articles mentioned in this thread has the same author so I'd not be surprised if it (articles not your post) is a nonsensical PR move by some group/party. I read a lot of books about him and other freedom fighters in my teens as it used to be my hobby. I also had access to much more books that were written by Bengali researchers containing in depth interviews from people who were captured from British Army and then became part of INA and I can assure you the inaccuracy of the things mentioned in the article. He did take help from Hitler and Moussilini and Tojo. However, all the time he wanted to make sure they do not interfere how the Indian will achieve freedom or how things will be done after. He even once famously told Hitler to his face that he should mind his own business when Hitler tried to advise him about operations to free India from the british govt. He was a very tactical person and created INA so that Japanese couldn't control India if they were successful to defeat British Army. The only reason he joined forces with Hitler ( and consequently Moussolini and Tojo since they were all part of the axix group ) was to defeat the British Army. Unlike many revolutionaries, Bose actually believed in non-violence and was an ardent Gandhi fan. However, he realized the futility of efforts and people's greedy and selfish mindset and left the congress. He actually won the election in Congress going against Gandhi who wanted Nehru as the President and won but resigned out of respect of Gandhi. That's when he probably realized just politically fighting wouldn't achieve much for the Indians. Another thing, he was never a true believer in Communism, he founded Forward Block even though Communist Party existed that time.

 

[koolcoolkg]

So moral of the story @Lord Nemesis "Half knowledge is dangerous "