Telegram may get banned in India.

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When was the last time you heard famous persons announcing news/share stuff over TG compared to IG? Instagram has similar problem true but it also has dozens of times more resources both manual & automated for content moderation unlike TG where it seems there is sometimes just a few guys managing reports from entire countries by themselves. Also, when was the last time you saw pirates advertising full HD latest movies downloads on twitter IDs with hundred thousands+ followers?
We don't know how many takedown requests each of these platforms receive and how many each of them comply with. Anyway, i think we need to make a clear distinction between things like removing child exploitation material and anti piracy requests from copyright trolls like RIAA when discussing moderation. One of them is much more serious even though lobbyists want us to believe that they are the same with high profile raids like the one on kim dotcom.
 
Twitter files made everything public and it's now known that FBI, etc decided which things were allowed to be posted and what narratives to construct. Even zuck recently expressed regret about Meta working with them. There are public statements and court lawsuits yet people still say "Do you really believe FBI wastes time censoring social media??"
Here is an interview with one of the twitter files authors.


It's now known the FBI & CIA spread disinformation about hunter Biden's laptop. They said it was Russian disinfo to influence the elections. No such evidence has come forth. The laptop story was true but was made to be less prominent. And it turns out it was the FBI & CIA that interferred in the 2020 election. Has anybody been made accountable. Nope.

These agencies are supposed to be apolitical. But they blatantly took sides. I've heard similar accusations about partisan behaviour from these two orgs back in 2016. They have become politicised. This a big deal.
We don't know how many takedown requests each of these platforms receive and how many each of them comply with.
Here is one example from 2021

The rate of compliance with the Indian government’s legal demands is only around 10 percent—the ambiguously stated reason for which is that the flagged tweets may not violate Twitter’s own terms of service.
Pretty low isn't it.

Yet i hear musk does comply with the Indian government.
 
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We don't know how many takedown requests each of these platforms receive and how many each of them comply with. Anyway, i think we need to make a clear distinction between things like removing child exploitation material and anti piracy requests from copyright trolls like RIAA when discussing moderation. One of them is much more serious even though lobbyists want us to believe that they are the same with high profile raids like the one on kim dotcom.
All Big Tech companies publish a transparency request on the content they have taken down every quarter. Following is an example of the Meta report.


Telegram has never published such a report and nor have they even bothered to respond to requests that they are legally obliged to do.


The other key point is that most Telegram chats are not end to end encrypted and thus Telegram has full access to the content on their server which also makes encryption an invalid defense unlike Signal or WhatsApp.
 
It's now known the FBI & CIA spread disinformation about hunter Biden's laptop. They said it was Russian disinfo to influence the elections. No such evidence has come forth. The laptop story was true but was made to be less prominent. And it turns out it was the FBI & CIA that interferred in the 2020 election. Has anybody been made accountable. Nope.
Yeah right. Capitol Hill attack criminals are getting convicted left & right while SC of USA loaded with Trump nominees & almost half of the states with republican majority are sitting on their thumbs not able to file even a half decent & believable court case against FBI & CIA. Looks like you took "internet gossips" too seriously (silver lining, at least you didn't took pizzagate seriously). Always remember, if it can't be proved in courts of a first world nation then it wasn't worth seriously considering to begin with.
 
So twitter files is internet gossip for you?
Ever heard of "concrete evidence", the one they ask in courts? If twitter files were "concrete evidence" then republicans would have filed at least a dozen cases all over the US in various state courts controlled by them but till now no such thing is done meaning twitter files might be a bit more than internet gossip but much less than concrete evidence.
 
X has been suspended in Brazil. Let's see how long for. And what the response if any from Musk will be.

Maduro in Venezuela could only manage 10 days suspension.
 
X has been suspended in Brazil. Let's see how long for. And what the response if any from Musk will be.

Maduro in Venezuela could only manage 10 days suspension.
Musk just gets into ego fights everywhere. It is amusing that he keeps blocking, deleting anti-Trump, anti-him content and spreading misinformation while advocating free speech but can't digest what he dishes out.

Maduro ordered a 10-day suspension from the beginning, so it is not about managing it. In Brazil, Musk has to either appoint a legal representative and/or pay the $3 million fine, so the ball is in in his court.

Don't think anyone needs X as much as Musk does.
 
Musk just gets into ego fights everywhere. It is amusing that he keeps blocking, deleting anti-Trump, anti-him content
Show where he has done that? Adding temporary warnings to a story has occurred from what i could find
and spreading misinformation
You must be referring to twitter files here. There's another installment called the Brazil files. I'm still getting through this. Argument. Counter. Round and round it goes...

The principle he is following is publish until unambiguous fact checking shows otherwise. Circumstantial evidence won't win court cases but is deemed acceptable. No smoke without fire in the hope more damning evidence may show up.

Very point that Zuckerberg regretted not following and instead removing content when contacted by the WH.
while advocating free speech but can't digest what he dishes out.
The inconsistency AFAICT is acquiescing to some governments demands (seen as authoritarian) and refusing others



Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%.
I'm trying to find the differences here as this article doesn't take context into account just goes with numbers.

With India its generally content with the potential to cause unrest.

In Turkey he complied with a takedown and the important part is otherwise Turkey threatened to suspend X two days before their election finished. Literally put a gun to his head. Loss of X that close to an election could be detrimental to those opposing Erdogan inspite of some of them losing their accounts

With Brazil. Elections are over. He is refusing to assist the prosecutor with going after 'digital mitias'. The opposition accounts he refuses to suspend. Not help the state prosecute people for political crimes. Retribution by winning party against defeated party.

It's not clear to me as yet which of the two is in the right here.

Maduro ordered a 10-day suspension from the beginning, so it is not about managing it. In Brazil, Musk has to either appoint a legal representative and/or pay the $3 million fine, so the ball is in in his court.
Who will be imprisoned or be at risk of.
Don't think anyone needs X as much as Musk does.
This is the argument. Very few countries have a permanent ban. China & Iran were first back in 2010. North Korea in 2016 and Russia only after the war began in 2022. Couple of Central Asian countries. That's it.

Many have temporarily suspended Twitter. I'm not sure if the suspension is lifted because twitter caved or their own people started agitating.

Germany has been going after him for not enforcing their unique hate speech laws. He won't comply. The Germans have got nowhere after two years.

So yeah for the time being he can continue to be cocky and its the governments that blink in the end.
 
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@blr_p last time I dropped the ball when you asked for sources (work ugh) so this time, I'll put my money where my mouth is, Here are some sources for you (all of this took me like 2 minutes to find on reddit)

Exhibits:

1. Melon Chan suspending 200+ LGBTQ accounts
2. Elon threatening to ban someone off Twitter because they made fun of daddy Trump
3. Elon chan banning account tracking his jet, left journalists etc (a summary)
4. Elon firing a Twitter employee because he corrected him on Twitter
5. Retard Elon making deep fakes of Biden because his daddy got hurt
6. Elon actively announcing his support for his daddy Trump
7. Elon blocking community notes because he's a little b**ch who cant handle people correcting him
8. b**ch ass Elon going off his rails after being forced to share custody with Grimes (his third? baby momma) when he was actively blocking Grimes from their new born? maybe 1-2year old? child from her when Grimes's mother was dying and her mother had to ****ing tweet to beg Elon to allow Grimes access to the child
9. More tweets showing b**chy Elon has turned off community notes
10. Liam Niisan putting Elon in his place (this was just for fun lmao)
11. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez putting Elon in his place (****ing love her for this)
12. King Retard Elon justifying him banning journalists on twitter because in some parts of the world they get MURDERED ->this is my bad, this was a fake tweet, I forgot
13. Elon shadow banning AOC
14. Elon blocking starlink access to US troops in Taiwan to help China (do you seriously need more?)
15. Elon on one of his unhinged Illegal voter rants and ofc dems
16. Melon husk's alt account where the retard praises himself for validation
17. Proof for Elon's Alt account shenanigans (not Dittman, but you can find many posts on reddit where you can match the similarities with Elon)
18. Elon trying to shit on AOC before AOC claps back on him
19. A summary of Elon chan's blocking of starlink in Ukraine (yeeah, he sure aint a Russian Plant)
20. Melon chan banning a Biden Promotion account
21. Elon banning Pete Souza (a renowned photographer who worked for the White House)
I can go on and on but I got lazy adding more (seriously TE needs some way better formatting tools, the current ones are just trash).
 
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I find it quite amusing that there are "supporters" of billionaires amongst general public who will never see even a few millions (USD) in their entire lives. I can understand if billionaires fight amongst themselves because they are of same "level" as they have an understanding what it takes to earn billions but a typical person arguing passionately on behalf of some billionaire thinking the person earned those billions & keep earning those billions while being a "good"/"free speech supporter"/"defender of truth & justice" etc is just laughable.
 
@blr_p last time I dropped the ball when you asked for sources (work ugh) so this time, I'll put my money where my mouth is, Here are some sources for you (all of this took me like 2 minutes to find on reddit)
And it shows. Did you even go through that list?

Whenever i see lists like that meant to be mass copy pasted with no review of the actual list.

By the time i got to point 8, i could not find anything that qualified and wondered where the childish, suggestive but oh so butthurt titles came from :)
This one looked semi serious until you realise he's blocked people tracking his real time movements. His family was stalked by someone using these accounts.

Going through some of the posts in there I've already addressed the ones where he complied with country demands.
The thread has become totally retarded. Mods please close the thread :(
Why? Your contribution (just 1 post)

This discussion is not over by a long shot
Just referring to his everyday posts.

Main source is the le monde article


They're upset that this upstart (how dare he) is threatening the legacy media model. OMG! 1.2 billion views. Go blame social media for that.

They found 50 posts out of god knows how many over a period of 7 months that were incorrect. I'm sure counters would have appeared promptly for all of them.

Why do so many leaders have social media accounts? To get around/bypass even media bias. So they can clearly communicate their intent.

The rest is pretty much a mirror copy of complaints the right had with twitter before he took over. Same bias. Now the boot is on the other foot. People disagree that the way to fix the earlier left leaning is to lurch in the opposite direction.

Kamala is a media creation. One month ago she was nothing. Now she has suddenly become a contender. Complete media makeover. Because the media supports the Democrats. And musk is offering an alternative. Same story elsewhere. Liberal leaning is the most profitable and they have their preferences.

So social media is the only alternative right wing politicians have. Oh and that cannot be allowed to stand.
 
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So social media is the only alternative right wing extreme right/left wing politicians have. Oh and that cannot be allowed to stand.
Ftfy. Republicans do have "moderate/normal" right wing politicians unlike Trump who dream of becoming a "ruler" like Putin & Xi Jinping.

Why do so many leaders have social media accounts? To get around/bypass even media bias. So they can clearly communicate their intent.
I guess you don't have much experience in litigation/lawyer business. Remember those small box "apologies" tucked in a corner of some inside page of a printed newspaper for some wrong detail published in that newspaper a few days ago? Same thing is not possible for social media posts.
 
And it shows. Did you even go through that list?

Whenever i see lists like that meant to be mass copy pasted with no review of the actual list.

By the time i got to point 8, i could not find anything that qualified and wondered where the childish, suggestive but oh so butthurt titles came from :)
what exactly did you not find anything "qualified"? You literally asked for proof about Elon banning accounts and spreading misinformation, but NO its not relevant enough for you? you have lost the plot my guy.
Show where he has done that? Adding temporary warnings to a story has occurred from what i could find
These are literally your quotes.
This one looked semi serious until you realise he's blocked people tracking his real time movements. His family was stalked by someone using these accounts.
PUBLIC DOMAIN KNOWLEDGE, all the guy did was slap a UI for easier parsing and called it a day. And P.S. its the same family where that motherfucker would rather deprive his new born children from their mother over a petty feud than prioritise his wellbeing, the same motherfucker who would lie on internet about holding his baby in his arms while he (the baby) was dying for some internet points, the same motherfucker who would go so far as to forcing his baby's dying grandmother begging on twitter for access to her grandson and for the mother to see her son.

he doesnt give a flying **** about his family, he just hates he cant control anything.

You do realize what kind of man you are defending? or does all of this does not matter to you?
 
Even Signal is compromised by the NSA because they have access to the phones itself via apple or google. Tucker Carlson didn't even tell his own family that he wanted to interview Putin but NSA knew that based on his communication via Signal to the Russian side.


Musk just gets into ego fights everywhere. It is amusing that he keeps blocking, deleting anti-Trump, anti-him content and spreading misinformation while advocating free speech but can't digest what he dishes out.



Don't think anyone needs X as much as Musk does.
If Musk posted any misinformation, his own posts have been community noted. The source code for community notes is open source.

Musk buying twitter changed the course of history for the better. We wouldn't even know half the world events without X. The trust in the media is at all time low and western media even outright lies.

X usage activity is at all time high and is the number 1 source of raw news and events without any media spin.

Musk is enemy number 1 for globalists, Davos crowd, the deep state(unelected bureaucrats who wield the true power), MIC(Boeing, LM, Raytheon etc), MSM, Oil companies, Automakers, etc.
 
If Musk posted any misinformation, his own posts have been community noted. The source code for community notes is open source.
pfft scroll up, where I sent proof where that little b**ch blocked community posts on his account
Musk is enemy number 1 for globalists, Davos crowd, the deep state(unelected bureaucrats who wield the true power), MIC(Boeing, LM, Raytheon etc), MSM, Oil companies, Automakers, etc.
Oh boy, the irony is lost on you, aint it?
 
what exactly did you not find anything "qualified"? You literally asked for proof about Elon banning accounts and spreading misinformation, but NO its not relevant enough for you? you have lost the plot my guy.
The charge is he claims to be for freedom of speech but in reality is not.

Prove that with some genuine cases not bogus ones which is what your list or the little i went through which shows accounts suspended but totally ignores the reason.

You are then using all of them to make the case. Similar to charges of complying with some countries and not others.

What accounts were banned. Those breaking the tos.
These are literally your quotes.

PUBLIC DOMAIN KNOWLEDGE, all the guy did was slap a UI for easier parsing and called it a day.
To make it easier to dox him using his own platform? He's well within his rights to do so after being stalked. Given its a private platform he can literally do whatever.

You don't have a right to be there and he's not obligated to honour the 1st Amendment. Private company like private club.

All this i was bluntly told when protesting about Trump being removed.
You do realize what kind of man you are defending? or does all of this does not matter to you?
Go make your case. Leave the appeals to morals out of it.

With countries the test he uses is whether complying is better than not.

With Turkey & India the answer is yes. And that too is conditional.

With Brazil it is not.
I guess you don't have much experience in litigation/lawyer business. Remember those small box "apologies" tucked in a corner of some inside page of a printed newspaper for some wrong detail published in that newspaper a few days ago? Same thing is not possible for social media posts.
All of Modi's speeches appeared on his twitter account so he could not be quoted out of context as was the fashion before. Social media completely removed that stunt. That to me is the main reason. Direct line to whoever you support without middle man.

I have no idea as to your reason.
 
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