The Swastika, and the Nazi connection

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gauravH said:
looks like Vivek used to sleep during his history/social studies classes :p
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That link has quite a bit more interesting stuff that i bet nobody learned in history/social studies classes. All i knew was the nazis reversed the image of the swastika which was an ancient symbol of goodwill used by other cultures in addition to India.

Hindus were/are not interested in any of these crazy comparisons of Nazi leaders with Hindu gods and for the most part unaware of what Hitler did after he wrote his autobiography.
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Exactly, why would they be.
 
Yes, the feature is quite enlightening. Specially this

In his 1925 work Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that: "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika."
 
I remember back at School, I had a friend from Tanzania. We were standing on the road and a TATA truck was parked. He asked "why is the Nazi symbol on the bonnet".
 
vivek.krishnan said:
Never had this stuff. As for WW II - this part was largely glossed over.

I actually feel bad that we partly joined with the Axis powers during WW II.
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Don't. We were fighting for freedom. Any help was welcome.

Also, the atrocities committed by Nazis were not known to the rest of the world. I remember reading that some people who managed to escape and tell the horrors of Nazi concentration camp were thought to be exaggerating. It was only during the end of war, it all came to light when Allies invaded Germany and were able to witness the concentration camps by their own eyes.
 
letmein said:
??? And you think that if the Japanese defeated the British, they were going to grant us independence?
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heh, they would have made almost 90 years of British rule seem like a vacation in less than ten years. Siding with the imperial Japs was wrong on many counts. Just see the atrocities they committed in China or Korea which were never really atoned for, still rankles people there to this day.
 
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blr_p said:
heh, they would have made almost 90 years of British rule seem like a vacation in less than ten years. Siding with the imperial Japs was wrong on many counts. Just see the atrocities they committed in China or Korea which were never really atoned for, still rankles people there to this day.
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I actually couldn't agree more. The japs would plucked us in our behinds. Used us to build arms and ammunitions and just brutally screwed us to death.
 
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vivek.krishnan said:
Link : http://www.quora.com/Swastika/What-...mblance-to-the-Nazi-symbol-just-a-coincidence

Read the above, and was thinking, Holy Shit! Never even thought that the Germans were twisting Hindu beliefs, myths for themselves.
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Actually, they were not twisting anything except for the bits about the Aryan race superiority. The connection between the Germans and Indians is considered to date a long way back to the time of the Indus valley civilization when people from over there have have settled in India either as part of a Migration or an Invasion. Several India languages and Germanic language are considered to belong to the same group. There is also a lot of commonality between the Indian and Germanic mythologies as well. Considerable bits of Hindu beliefs and culture from the northern parts of India is supposed have originated from the pre-christian beliefs from that region.
 
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Lord Nemesis said:
Actually, they were not twisting anything except for the bits about the Aryan race superiority. The connection between the Germans and Indians is considered to date a long way back to the time of the Indus valley civilization when people from over there have have settled in India either as part of a Migration or an Invasion. Several India languages and Germanic language are considered to belong to the same group. There is also a lot of commonality between the Indian and Germanic mythologies as well. Considerable bits of Hindu beliefs and culture from the northern parts of India is supposed have originated from the pre-christian beliefs from that region.
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Yups....!

Apart from the Dravidian language spectrum, most of the other languages found in India are Indo-European (by classification). Just finding the proto factor is what has us all in argument(s).

This tree basically shows it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages#mediaviewer/File:IndoEuropeanTree.svg

Language / religion / genetics : are variations which are studied by sociologists in tandem to see the movements of populations. Amazing....!
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Actually, they were not twisting anything except for the bits about the Aryan race superiority. The connection between the Germans and Indians is considered to date a long way back to the time of the Indus valley civilization when people from over there have have settled in India either as part of a Migration or an Invasion. Several India languages and Germanic language are considered to belong to the same group. There is also a lot of commonality between the Indian and Germanic mythologies as well. Considerable bits of Hindu beliefs and culture from the northern parts of India is supposed have originated from the pre-christian beliefs from that region.
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asingh said:
Yups....!

Apart from the Dravidian language spectrum, most of the other languages found in India are Indo-European (by classification)............... Amazing....!
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It is the misfortune of this land that our [sic]history books were written by either foreigners or communist Indians who wanted to erase any sense of pride for this country/religion from the school books.
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In India, even before the colonial rulers, it was the Christian missionaries who saw the uses of the AIT, mainly to pit Dravidians and low-castes against the “Aryan invader” Brahmins and thus make them more amenable to conversion. Even then, they did not “concoct” anything, e.g. when Friedrich Max Müller wrote to his wife (as quoted in the lecture by Dr. Vinayachandra) that India was ripe for Christianization and that his own translation of the Rg-Veda would contribute to this by disenchanting the Rg-Veda.

Some more links : pl. read, understand & teach your kids/nephews/nieces/grandkids(!).
1. http://www.stephen-knapp.com/aryan_invasion_theory_the_final_nail_in_its_coffin.htm
2. http://arisebharat.com/2008/01/21/bbc-accepts-that-the-aryan-invasion-theory-is-flawed/
3. Death of AIT
4. Moralism & AIT
5. BBC admits AIT is false
6. Myth of AIT
7. New research debunks AIT
8. Research paper: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0507714103v1
9. Motivations for AIT: http://www.iskcon.com/icj/6_1/6_1klostermaier.html

I think those are enough numbers of links to keep you busy :)
 
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Jambumali said:
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It is the misfortune of this land that our [sic]history books were written by either foreigners or communist Indians who wanted to erase any sense of pride for this country/religion from the school books.
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In India, even before the colonial rulers, it was the Christian missionaries who saw the uses of the AIT, mainly to pit Dravidians and low-castes against the “Aryan invader” Brahmins and thus make them more amenable to conversion. Even then, they did not “concoct” anything, e.g. when Friedrich Max Müller wrote to his wife (as quoted in the lecture by Dr. Vinayachandra) that India was ripe for Christianization and that his own translation of the Rg-Veda would contribute to this by disenchanting the Rg-Veda.

Some more links : pl. read, understand & teach your kids/nephews/nieces/grandkids(!).
1. http://www.stephen-knapp.com/aryan_invasion_theory_the_final_nail_in_its_coffin.htm
2. http://arisebharat.com/2008/01/21/bbc-accepts-that-the-aryan-invasion-theory-is-flawed/
3. Death of AIT
4. Moralism & AIT
5. BBC admits AIT is false
6. Myth of AIT
7. New research debunks AIT
8. Research paper: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0507714103v1
9. Motivations for AIT: http://www.iskcon.com/icj/6_1/6_1klostermaier.html

I think those are enough numbers of links to keep you busy :)
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AIT has neither been proved nor disproved with conclusive evidence and it doesn't make any difference to the fact that there is commonality between the Germanic and Indian cultures. AIT is just one of many plausible theories proposed to explain the commonality.

As for Christianity, it arrived in India (southern parts like Tamil nadu and Kerala) very early on not later than 2nd century AD. It was here from the start and long before it spread in Europe. In fact, the corruption of the caste system in India also spread into Christianity in these regions. For instance, Lower caste people were not allowed to enter the churches built by the higher castes and other such things. The conversions that you are speaking of are from a very recent period and you cannot really blame those people for converting either. The caste system in India meant that the lives of the lower castes were made so miserable and bitter that they lost faith in their gods altogether and they were ready to convert to the faith of who ever showed some kindness to them.

Also, lets not try to blame others for trying to erase our so called pride. Indian culture and traditions had little for an Intelligent and open minded person to be truly proud about. The more you dig into our past, the more you would be disgusted by it. It is thanks to our colonial rulers who forcefully erased many of our so called "cultural traditions" despite vehement protests that we can be proud to say that we no longer have sati (atleast).
 
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