The Trumps & Elon tweets thread (Had to make this since it's never ending)

You cannot be a global hegemon without the ability to project force anywhere on the planet (<-definition of a super power)

You don't get rewarded with any title.
My point is no one asked US to spend so much money on its military. It willingly did that and also reaped the benefits of it. Also note that Germany has been demilitarised twice and for very good reasons :laughing: . After the two world wars the general opinion in the western world was that Europe should not become the reason for another one. US taking the role of the enforcer with its military might was the mutually agreed upon situation.

This schism between US and Europe is very recent and Europe will no doubt adapt to the new reality of an unreliable US, but it's wrong to paint the picture that innocent US somehow got duped into spending trillions for the security of Europe and Japan.
 
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Step 1
Zelensky says "no" to Trump again: "I will not sign an agreement that will cost ten generations of Ukraine"

Step 2
Zelensky Says Ukraine Won't Trade Minerals For Debt, Seeks 'Win-Win' Deal With US

Step 3
Ukraine official says minerals deal agreed with US

This comedian and those who supported him are clowns now ? A brutal comedy show indeed.
Step 1
Force Ukraine to hold elections

Step 2
Kick zelensky out of office

Step 3
Work with his replacement to end the war

 
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My point is no one asked US to spend so much money on its military.
Just as the US need not have intervened in WW1 or WW2 and left the world to its own devices. Hell, why even bother with the cold war
It willingly did that and also reaped the benefits of it.
Why did you leave out that this arrangement also benefitted the rest of the world? You and me grew up in a US ordered world and owe our current lifestyles to the US. Period!

Quick primer on globalisation. After ww2 the US realised that the best way to achieve enduring peace & prosperity was that each nation should be free to trade with whomever they wanted. To do so global trade had to flow freely and without risk. As earlier the world was partitioned into trading blocks with restrictions on trade which inevitably led to friction between various countries. It also artificially limited the volume of trade that was theoretically possible leaving everyone the poorer.

This was achieved by policing various choke points and establishing bases with numerous allied countries. This marked the start of globalisation. The US would throw open its markets to the world after WW2 in exchange for the US having a monopoly on global security. The Marshall plan brought Europe back. Preferential trading with the US and with anyone else resulted in the most prosperity and enduring peace the world had not seen before. Same was done with the far east as well as China and fifty years later the results are obvious to see. At the same time west Asia needed security so the oil could flow freely and fuel this prosperity. Pretty much all major Asian economies have been freeloading off US provided security in west Asia since half a century. Any interruption in oil supply will quickly cause major problems in these Asian economies. Yet none of them are capable of replacing the security provided by the US in west Asia. Whether on their own or in concert with other Asian powers.

The US bankrolled the security of Europe, west Asia and the far East since WW2.

Didn't we all gain as a result?
Also note that Germany has been demilitarised twice and for very good reasons :laughing: . After the two world wars the general opinion in the western world was that Europe should not become the reason for another one.
Cold war was all about Europe. That's why NATO was formed.
US taking the role of the enforcer with its military might was the mutually agreed upon situation.
No one else could do it. And this is a role the US took on reluctantly as Britain was finished at that point.
This schism between US and Europe is very recent and Europe will no doubt adapt to the new reality of an unreliable US, but it's wrong to paint the picture that innocent US somehow got duped into spending trillions for the security of Europe and Japan.
You do accept that the euros need to pull their weight when it comes to their defence?

Requirement was all NATO should spend 2% of their GDP. Well, until Trump showed up not even half of NATO was doing that.

So it was the US filling in the balance and Trump is right about being duped because this euro defense spending deficit had been brought up by at least three US presidents prior to Trump in a less public manner. So at least two plus decades of defense deficit by the euros.

It was the only after the Ukraine conflict began they started to increase defense spending.

This fiction that Europe will adapt without US is just that. Euros are big on talk but unable to walk the talk.
 
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In the end, western countries will be forced to increase their defense spending, USA will profit from weapon sales, use resources from UA and RU to make those weapons. RU will be perceptual enemy and when this conflict ends, RU will end up in difficult situation.
 
RU will be perceptual enemy and when this conflict ends, RU will end up in difficult situation.
Not necessarily

Important meeting that took place between the foreign ministers of US & Russia in Riyadh a week back.

Europe & Ukraine not invited. Brilliant. You can already see things falling into place


Russia is needed for the settlement of many conflicts

That is why Trump acknowledged Russia.

How refreshing to have a US president that actually gets this!

 
Russia is needed for the settlement of many conflicts

That is why Trump acknowledged Russia.

How refreshing to have a US president that actually gets this!
Let us see how it ends, seriously doubts whether USA and RU will patch up.
But, RU may be kept as a thorn by the side of EU perpetually, with USA exploiting both of them.

Likewise if USA want to take over Gaza, it's not about keeping Israel safe alone, but to keep close check on them too.
 
US does not want Russia going with China and leading the Middle East & South East Asia with them like forming a New World Order without US.
Because new countries are joining the BRICS as we speak and are talking or thinking of bringing an alternative to Dollars is very concerning to US's Trump. So he is siding with Russia and alienating Europe from them as he is afraid that he may be left out in the end.
 
Didn't we all gain as a result?
No one denied that, but US gained more than anyone. It gained strategic control, economic advantages (through trade and reserve currency status), and political leverage over allies. The U.S. expected Europe and Japan to remain economically and politically aligned in exchange for security guarantees.

We Indians honestly would be in the same situation either way, it would not have affected our position that much.
 
Let us see how it ends, seriously doubts whether USA and RU will patch up.
If the Republicans get another term as is expected? I would say it will happen

Post cold war its only the Democrats that have a hard on for Russia not Republicans.
But, RU may be kept as a thorn by the side of EU perpetually, with USA exploiting both of them.
The sanctions need to be lifted if these western economies want to recover and Russian energy needs to start flowing.
Likewise if USA want to take over Gaza, it's not about keeping Israel safe alone, but to keep close check on them too.
If the US is close by then a lot of pal BS will be exposed. Trump has appointed the most pro zionist cabinet the US has ever had so I don't see too many problems for Israel.
No one denied that, but US gained more than anyone.
I'm pointing out you leaving the rest of world out and painting a misleading perception.

They didn't gain from trade as that was never the goal of globalisation. The US wanted to move away from mercantilism and great power politics which was the norm pre WW2. Which is what China is threatening to do in the present and the US is working to counter.

That's why the US have such a large deficit. And also why they perpetually had trade deficits with numerous countries.

At the end of WW2, the US made up half the world's GDP. By the end of the cold war 30% and today around 16%. There was no threat to their economy by running trade policy favourable to the rest of the world. There were also political motivations like countering communism as well.

That the US can remain viable inspite of this deficit is another matter.
It gained strategic control, economic advantages (through trade and reserve currency status), and political leverage over allies.
I've already pointed out not trade. Strategic, political helped all the allies by keeping the commies out. Main reason Japan preferred to surrender to the Americans post Nagasaki and not the Soviets.

Dollar was voluntarily accepted by the world as a reserve currency because until 1971 it was fully backed by gold abroad. So countries could exchange their $ for the equivalent of gold.

The reason the US had so much gold is that is where people sent gold as a safe harbour. Also for the settlement of war time debts.

The dollar was backed by the US military so a safe bet for a reserve currency.
The U.S. expected Europe and Japan to remain economically and politically aligned in exchange for security guarantees.
Obviously, if they expected US protection so it was a two way deal.
We Indians honestly would be in the same situation either way, it would not have affected our position that much.
Yeah so long as the oil kept flowing. If it didn't we'd have been in deep shit. So No, we'd not have been in the same situation at all. If the Soviets got control of the gulf region there would have been a war with untold consequences.

Pre WW2 & independence we would have been able to protect west Asian energy as we were the hegemon from Suez to Singapore for 150 years prior. We were doing what the US does post WW2. That is why Indian currency circulated in the gulf prior to their independence and until '66 our oil purchases were settled with gulf countries in Rupees.

because there was no need to look after the people. Defense could get whatever budget and the Brits paid for a standing army. Meaning two and a half million personnel with battlefield experience after WW2. Enough to scare the Brits to quit. Enough to police the region as well.

Post independence all that went away because you had to uplift the people and the lefties pretty much decimated whatever military abilities we had at the end of WW2.

So it was left to Britain to watch over the gulf and the Americans took over after them. Had we maintained defense of the gulf post WW2 I'd be more inclined to agree with you.
 
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If the Republicans get another term as is expected? I would say it will happen

Post cold war its only the Democrats that have a hard on for Russia not Republicans.

The sanctions need to be lifted if these western economies want to recover and Russian energy needs to start flowing.

If the US is close by then a lot of pal BS will be exposed. Trump has appointed the most pro zionist cabinet the US has ever had so I don't see too many problems for Israel.

I'm pointing out you leaving the rest of world out and painting a misleading perception.

They didn't gain from trade as that was never the goal of globalisation. The US wanted to move away from mercantilism and great power politics which was the norm pre WW2. Which is what China is threatening to do in the present and the US is working to counter.

That's why the US have such a large deficit. And also why they perpetually had trade deficits with numerous countries.

At the end of WW2, the US made up half the world's GDP. By the end of the cold war 30% and today around 16%. There was no threat to their economy by running trade policy favourable to the rest of the world. There were also political motivations like countering communism as well.

That the US can remain viable inspite of this deficit is another matter.

I've already pointed out not trade. Strategic, political helped all the allies by keeping the commies out. Main reason Japan preferred to surrender to the Americans post Nagasaki and not the Soviets.

Dollar was voluntarily accepted by the world as a reserve currency because until 1971 it was fully backed by gold abroad. So countries could exchange their $ for the equivalent of gold.

The reason the US had so much gold is that is where people sent gold as a safe harbour. Also for the settlement of war time debts.

The dollar was backed by the US military so a safe bet for a reserve currency.

Obviously, if they expected US protection so it was a two way deal.

Yeah so long as the oil kept flowing. If it didn't we'd have been in deep shit. So No, we'd not have been in the same situation at all. If the Soviets got control of the gulf region there would have been a war with untold consequences.

Pre WW2 & independence we would have been able to protect west Asian energy as we were the hegemon from Suez to Singapore for 150 years prior. We were doing what the US does post WW2. That is why Indian currency circulated in the gulf prior to their independence and until '66 our oil purchases were settled with gulf countries in Rupees.

because there was no need to look after the people. Defense could get whatever budget and the Brits paid for a standing army. Meaning two and a half million personnel with battlefield experience after WW2. Enough to scare the Brits to quit. Enough to police the region as well.

Post independence all that went away because you had to uplift the people and the lefties pretty much decimated whatever military abilities we had at the end of WW2.

So it was left to Britain to watch over the gulf and the Americans took over after them. Had we maintained defense of the gulf post WW2 I'd be more inclined to agree with you.
The U.S. could afford trade deficits post-WWII because it had an overwhelming economic lead. A declining share of global GDP does not mean absolute U.S. decline, just that the rest of the world caught up. Trade deficits weren’t purely strategic, they also reflected outsourcing for corporate profit motives by the US's ruling elite. China’s exploitation of free trade while maintaining state-controlled capitalism and military expansion is a challenge the U.S. did not fully anticipate because they thought these guys are inferior to us and will never catch up. So much so that they dumped their IP in China not expecting any consequences.
 
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^This is the equivalent of Zelensky giving Trump the middle finger. Most likely scripted by the EU & Starmer using the MSM to shame Trump and sow dissent in his Cabinet

Nothing of the sort happened

So Trump drops the hammer on Zelensky

Trump Zel.jpg

Trump wants Zelensky gone. Putin wants Zelensky gone.

No way Zelensky is coming back from this


Bingo :cool:
 
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