PC Peripherals Tips for buying a new PC - What to avoid
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sTALKEr said:
jokes apart
i had said hd enclosures are a big no no
why ?
well i have personally used one and had data loss after two months.
my 3 frnds also used hd enclosures for some times(all diff brands)
they were really happy to find use of their 40 gb hd after they already had 250 gb in their rig
first few months went okay.
needless to say after them all of them failed.
2 were able to use hd internally in their pc. one hd totally went kaput and is just lying there.
so i am yet to come across a hd enclosure that doesn't leave bad taste in the mouth.
and if u search for a few good quality enclosures , their prices are so repulsive.
regarding wd portables , well i don't have any personal experience wid them.
but on internet they have been shown in poor light by its users.
also even the shopkeepers have been reported recommending against them due to poor reliability.
since i don't have personal experience wid them that is why i said that we need more inputs here regarding them.
so guys post ur personal experiences with portable hd/ enclosures.
only after we arrive on a conclusion , the stuff would be added to the list
greenhorn said:but newbies too should make an effort and search TE before asking questions. We're not here to rehash the same info every day. I mean, how many 3k speaker recommendation threads do we need ( we just got another one now). Also , since TE is growing , we need to be careful what we say not to buy . some mfr might decide to sue us or something due to lost reputation :ashamed:
PS : since you asked politely, here you go http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/msg/2752a4477e3503f8?dmode=source&output=gplain
Bose vs greenhorn?
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greenhorn said:
stability issues was as compared to intel chipsets(especially i u wanna overclock).
and regarding playing games with onboard gfx , that means user is a casual gamer.
in this department i think amd is ahead of intel with their 780g chipset.
right now both inel/nvidia chipsets dont stand a chance against it
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main_trouble said:
I want to add this point, but its already there.
dynet never heard of this manf. but bought because its Rs.200 less than Kingston, Corsair, Transcend.
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AMD Athlon Processor with 780G chipset mobo is a good combination, for an AIO (All-in-One) System.
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Nice Thread ..Here are some of my rants/points
1.AMD Rigs-Proccy+Mobo
I am not comparing them with Intel or wotsoever but i do have a point from my personal exp which may come in handy.
AMD rigs in India mostly offer low service satisfaction,i do agree that its really VFM and no one can argue that they come up Performance wise but god forbid u end up screwing up ur AMD rig it might send u packin to buy another rig..Take My case:-
Bought a socket 939 3000+ venice core and ASUS A8N-E in Feb 06 offcourse after discussing here at T.E for arnd 11.5k.
Well n Good
Current Situation->2008
Suddenly around Nov 2007 i had a display problem with my mobo and i decided to send it for repairs ,first to Rashi for RMA
1.RMA Sucks->ASUS
2.No day to day Mobo Repair Guys could find some parts for the 939 as it was discontinued
Would have been an Intel i would have easily got it repaired or would have just Bought another Mobo and Go but in my case as it was 939 both the Proccy and Mobo i was forced to Upgrade both of them
To all this im reduced to a useless Board and useless Proccy which neway are on sale in the Market Section.
2.Audio Equipment (Earphones/Headphones/etc etc)
Just ask around for model No's and please give them a listen before buying them..you are the only one to decide what suits u best ,generally ive noticed ppl suggesting all sort of Studio Stuff for normal usage which is sometimes can be a waste of money .
I.E-Bayer Dynamics for general purposes common gimme a break they are standard Studio Monitors we Music Proff swear By but then Money can buy u stuff ..to each his own
Neway just look around and decide for urself instead of pickin up top models/recommendations etc like for example EP-630 is just VFM i dont find it filling my music needs id rather go with Philips
3.Cooling Products/etc etc
If u dont overclock/etc whats really leet abt putting in 123456789 fans and add LED'S to make ur system look like a star wars Pod .
P.S-just adding a Big IMO
1.AMD Rigs-Proccy+Mobo
I am not comparing them with Intel or wotsoever but i do have a point from my personal exp which may come in handy.
AMD rigs in India mostly offer low service satisfaction,i do agree that its really VFM and no one can argue that they come up Performance wise but god forbid u end up screwing up ur AMD rig it might send u packin to buy another rig..Take My case:-
Bought a socket 939 3000+ venice core and ASUS A8N-E in Feb 06 offcourse after discussing here at T.E for arnd 11.5k.
Well n Good
Current Situation->2008
Suddenly around Nov 2007 i had a display problem with my mobo and i decided to send it for repairs ,first to Rashi for RMA
1.RMA Sucks->ASUS
2.No day to day Mobo Repair Guys could find some parts for the 939 as it was discontinued
Would have been an Intel i would have easily got it repaired or would have just Bought another Mobo and Go but in my case as it was 939 both the Proccy and Mobo i was forced to Upgrade both of them
To all this im reduced to a useless Board and useless Proccy which neway are on sale in the Market Section.
2.Audio Equipment (Earphones/Headphones/etc etc)
Just ask around for model No's and please give them a listen before buying them..you are the only one to decide what suits u best ,generally ive noticed ppl suggesting all sort of Studio Stuff for normal usage which is sometimes can be a waste of money .
I.E-Bayer Dynamics for general purposes common gimme a break they are standard Studio Monitors we Music Proff swear By but then Money can buy u stuff ..to each his own
Neway just look around and decide for urself instead of pickin up top models/recommendations etc like for example EP-630 is just VFM i dont find it filling my music needs id rather go with Philips
3.Cooling Products/etc etc
If u dont overclock/etc whats really leet abt putting in 123456789 fans and add LED'S to make ur system look like a star wars Pod .
P.S-just adding a Big IMO
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ReekingArchvile said:Nice Thread ..Here are some of my rants/points
1.AMD Rigs-Proccy+Mobo
I am not comparing them with Intel or wotsoever but i do have a point from my personal exp which may come in handy.
AMD rigs in India mostly offer low service satisfaction,i do agree that its really VFM and no one can argue that they come up Performance wise but god forbid u end up screwing up ur AMD rig it might send u packin to buy another rig..Take My case:-
Bought a socket 939 3000+ venice core and ASUS A8N-E in Feb 06 offcourse after discussing here at T.E for arnd 11.5k.
Well n Good
Current Situation->2008
Suddenly around Nov 2007 i had a display problem with my mobo and i decided to send it for repairs ,first to Rashi for RMA
1.RMA Sucks->ASUS
2.No day to day Mobo Repair Guys could find some parts for the 939 as it was discontinued
Would have been an Intel i would have easily got it repaired or would have just Bought another Mobo and Go but in my case as it was 939 both the Proccy and Mobo i was forced to Upgrade both of them
To all this im reduced to a useless Board and useless Proccy which neway are on sale in the Market Section.
2.Audio Equipment (Earphones/Headphones/etc etc)
Just ask around for model No's and please give them a listen before buying them..you are the only one to decide what suits u best ,generally ive noticed ppl suggesting all sort of Studio Stuff for normal usage which is sometimes can be a waste of money .
I.E-Bayer Dynamics for general purposes common gimme a break they are standard Studio Monitors we Music Proff swear By but then Money can buy u stuff ..to each his own
Neway just look around and decide for urself instead of pickin up top models/recommendations etc like for example EP-630 is just VFM i dont find it filling my music needs id rather go with Philips
3.Cooling Products/etc etc
If u dont overclock/etc whats really leet abt putting in 123456789 fans and add LED'S to make ur system look like a star wars Pod .
P.S-just adding a Big IMO
thanx for ur inputs
Couple of clarifications.. as to why its not good to generalise :
- poor performance versus the X2 will be obvious in apps that can't take advantage of multiple cores.. especially with the lower clock-speed per core on the Phenoms.
- 9x50 procs are out and even available in India. B3 stepping variants ensure the TLB bug is no more!
- Not everyone who picks up a quad core machine overclocks. At stock clocks, a Phenom is still within reach of the Intels C2Qs and can be coupled with much cheaper boards making the platform still VFM.
- The new Phenom Tricore models seem interesting, again if you do not factor overclocking into the picture.
Saw this being discussed elsewhere, and its a common misconception.
1. Everyone seems to be forgetting the 'burst speed' i.e. the speed between your controller and your hard disk's cache. You probably won't saturate the bandwidth during sustained transfers, but stuff often gets cached on your hard disk's cache that can make full use of this 300MBps bandwidth.
2. SATA 3.0Gbps drives are backward compatible, so there's nothing about people being 'forced' to upgrade to SATA 3 Gbps controllers.
3. Lastly with hard drives always increasing in speed, why wait till you hit the limit before increasing the interface speed? An interface should never be a bottleneck. P.s: Its Gbps, not GBps.
Data is very rarely accessed in a sequential fashion from a hard disk. This is exactly why a disk that performs great in sequential data tests like HDTach may not exhibit similar performance gains in a real-world environment.
You also forget that there are 101 processes running in the background that do need to access files every now and then (step away from your computer and notice the hard disk LED flashing every few seconds?).
And once again, its not forcing anyone to upgrade.. its upto end users to determine its benefits before upgrading
This is one case where I have to agree that public perception of DVI > VGA is correct. However it is also true that LCDs with a VGA-only port tend to have better circuitry optimised for the VGA port than LCDs with DVI + VGA ports, but the quality with DVI is noticeably better.
Actually its the other way round, people are encouraged to use HT 3.0 equipped boards for optimal performance with Phenoms. Nothing at all about Athlons or anything else. And again, nothing wrong with providing a higher-speed interface.
Two things :
1. For Intel platforms, it has always been ideal to keep FSB:RAM ratios at 1:1 . 1066Mhz DDR2 RAM will help you touch FSB speeds of 533MHz when overclocking. Considering all the latest E8xxx series come with 333MHz as the stock FSB speed, its still not a lot of headroom for overclocking.
2. Buying higher speed RAM usually gives you better latency settings when down-clocked to lower speeds. Also note the flexibility of tighter timings when running stock, or higher clock speeds when overclocking.
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Summing up, I do think you put in a lot of effort. But without ground work, making generalisations like this can be just as misleading as original recommendations
:- poor performance versus the X2 will be obvious in apps that can't take advantage of multiple cores.. especially with the lower clock-speed per core on the Phenoms.
- 9x50 procs are out and even available in India. B3 stepping variants ensure the TLB bug is no more!
- Not everyone who picks up a quad core machine overclocks. At stock clocks, a Phenom is still within reach of the Intels C2Qs and can be coupled with much cheaper boards making the platform still VFM.
- The new Phenom Tricore models seem interesting, again if you do not factor overclocking into the picture.
Saw this being discussed elsewhere, and its a common misconception.
1. Everyone seems to be forgetting the 'burst speed' i.e. the speed between your controller and your hard disk's cache. You probably won't saturate the bandwidth during sustained transfers, but stuff often gets cached on your hard disk's cache that can make full use of this 300MBps bandwidth.
2. SATA 3.0Gbps drives are backward compatible, so there's nothing about people being 'forced' to upgrade to SATA 3 Gbps controllers.
3. Lastly with hard drives always increasing in speed, why wait till you hit the limit before increasing the interface speed? An interface should never be a bottleneck. P.s: Its Gbps, not GBps.
Data is very rarely accessed in a sequential fashion from a hard disk. This is exactly why a disk that performs great in sequential data tests like HDTach may not exhibit similar performance gains in a real-world environment.
You also forget that there are 101 processes running in the background that do need to access files every now and then (step away from your computer and notice the hard disk LED flashing every few seconds?).
And once again, its not forcing anyone to upgrade.. its upto end users to determine its benefits before upgrading
This is one case where I have to agree that public perception of DVI > VGA is correct. However it is also true that LCDs with a VGA-only port tend to have better circuitry optimised for the VGA port than LCDs with DVI + VGA ports, but the quality with DVI is noticeably better.
Actually its the other way round, people are encouraged to use HT 3.0 equipped boards for optimal performance with Phenoms. Nothing at all about Athlons or anything else. And again, nothing wrong with providing a higher-speed interface.
Two things :
1. For Intel platforms, it has always been ideal to keep FSB:RAM ratios at 1:1 . 1066Mhz DDR2 RAM will help you touch FSB speeds of 533MHz when overclocking. Considering all the latest E8xxx series come with 333MHz as the stock FSB speed, its still not a lot of headroom for overclocking.
2. Buying higher speed RAM usually gives you better latency settings when down-clocked to lower speeds. Also note the flexibility of tighter timings when running stock, or higher clock speeds when overclocking.
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Summing up, I do think you put in a lot of effort. But without ground work, making generalisations like this can be just as misleading as original recommendations
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