UnitedHealthcare CEO's Murder - Looks like everyone is celebrating

[mayank11280]

Sounds like an enforcer

What does it sound like is not the concern. The question was “what was his motive”. This is all we know about the shooter’s motive. Anything else is unproven.

True

Going by the reports

Media reports are as much to be trusted as much a gossiping aunty. In fact media houses are worse than that.

Moreover, media houses are embedded in the status quo. In a clearly broken system, media houses become the ideological apparatus of the ruling elite to break the unity of the masses.

So, a constructive skeptical stance should be maintained until everything is proven out in the open.

 

[blr_p]

When it's well mentioned "common man dislike violence", you are shamefully using dog-whistle tactics to subdue other's opinions trying to frame them in bad light.

I'm calling out all the morons that are supporting this guy. And there are people doing that.

> "^Which part of that sentence do you not understand?
This is not something you vote for.

You are not making a debate, you are not even arguing, you are just wrestling with words without any meaningful sense or result.

You're the one coming up with arguments to justify what this so called "common man" wants.

If he did crime, he should be punished. He is from a well to do situation, so they will be able to take it as an accolade unlike common man. To see such people emerge from affluent conditions is quite interesting.

That is the perplexing part.

Malcom X did influence the populace in a good way, will be remembered for good ideas, even with all the black spots. You should also remember his comments about JFK's death.
That random ceo will go out like any random road kill who will never be remembered ever. Unlike Luigi's name which will come randomly in mind when playing games.

People don't care for Malcolm X. They care for Martin Luther king.

 

[mayank11280]

I'm calling out all the morons that are supporting this guy.

So, powerless people, who for the first time felt any degree of control over their fate, celebrating an initiation of change are morons? So, the powerful who have clearly created and benefitted from an exploitative system are intelligent? Conformists become smart? i would wager Conformists lack the ability to question the status quo, the notion of right and wrong. They are the true morons. Right now when people are debating what’s right and wrong then they are clearly not morons but very smart.

People don't care for Malcolm X. They care for Martin Luther king.

This is clearly not coming from a well informed position.

 

[TEUser2K1]

I'm calling out all the morons that are supporting this guy.

But not a single word about moronity of ceo who used AI to deny treatment to people in most precarious conditions.
Then you have to take it from common man and you can dishonorably gulp it down.
Exactly what happened, not such a complex situation so difficult to understand here.

You're the one coming up with arguments to justify what this so called "common man" wants.

It's already proven. No need for any further clarification for sane headed people.

People don't care for Malcolm X. They care for Martin Luther king.

People know both of them.
Nobody will remember a scummy ceo random roadkill.

 

[mayank11280]

But not a single word about moronity of ceo who used AI to deny treatment to people in most precarious conditions.
Then you have to take it from common man and you can dishonorably gulp it down.
Exactly what happened, what such a complex situation so difficult to understand here.

“Status quo and exploitative elites are intelligent. Anyone else is a moron. Those who suffer are morons. Those who want relief from suffering are morons. Those who celebrate a sign of change are morons. French Revolution was led by morons. American Revolution was began by morons. Inndependence movement..”

This is a very troubling POV, IMO.

 

[blr_p]

But not a single word about moronity of ceo who used AI to deny treatment to people in most precarious conditions.
Then you have to take it from common man and you can dishonorably gulp it down.
Exactly what happened, not such a complex situation so difficult to understand here.

You are free to choose another insurance provider. Also its not clear whether the company in question was within their rights to do so.

We don't know the exact circumstances he was refused

 

[mayank11280]

You are free to choose another insurance provider. Also its not clear whether the company in question was within their rights to do so.

We don't know the exact circumstances he was refused

So, what do we think?

Is American healthcare system top notch and there is nothing broken to break a man of 300 million enough to take such a drastic action?

Basically: is american healthcare working perfectly fine?

 

[blr_p]

Is American healthcare system top notch

Yes. Lots of money for research.

and there is nothing broken to break a man of 300 million enough to take such drastic action?

Insurance system has been going for a long time now. When has something like this happened. I cannot recall.

 

[roadrash99]

I'm calling out all the morons that are supporting this guy. And there are people doing that.

Sympathy for the guy (or absence of sympathy for the CEO) doesn't mean people are supporting the murder. There are some in media who are turning this story into "the commies are coming for our CEOs" which is just not true.

 

[blr_p]

Media reports are as much to be trusted as much a gossiping aunty. In fact media houses are worse than that.

Moreover, media houses are embedded in the status quo. In a clearly broken system, media houses become the ideological apparatus of the ruling elite to break the unity of the masses.

So, a constructive skeptical stance should be maintained until everything is proven out in the open.

He's the only suspect or person of interest sought.

Sympathy for the guy (or absence of sympathy for the CEO) doesn't mean people are supporting the murder.

Aren't they? What am I to understand otherwise

There are some in media who are turning this story into "the commies are coming for our CEOs" which is just not true.

More like anarchists

 

[mayank11280]

Yes. Lots of money for research.

Insurance system has been going for a long time now. When has something like this happened. I cannot recall.

Lots of, fair. But what about lab to patient? What is the OOPE status of US in the world? Life expectancy of US in the world? Total healthcare expenditure of US expenditure in the world? DALY of US in the world? IMR and MMR of US in the world?

Europe gave up on insurance model for health because of the problems it brought. So, clearly the better option hasn’t been opted by the US, hence the mass resentment in the US.

 

[roadrash99]

Aren't they? What am I to understand otherwise

It means the company and its CEO had earned net negative goodwill among the general public, It's not rocket science.

 

[blr_p]

So, powerless people, who for the first time felt any degree of control over their fate, celebrating an initiation of change are morons?

What does powerless mean here?

Either you're insured or you're not.

There are terms for the coverage which if not met means your claim will be refused.

Don't agree. Find another. Nobody is forcing you to take only what this company offers

Tell me something. You don't think there are people trying to game the system or cheat here?

So, the powerful who have clearly created and benefitted from an exploitative system are intelligent? Conformists become smart? i would wager Conformists lack the ability to question the status quo, the notion of right and wrong. They are the true morons. Right now when people are debating what’s right and wrong then they are clearly not morons but very smart.

This is clearly not coming from a well informed position.

Either you follow the law or you don't.

There is no justification whatsoever for what this guy did. And some fans on the internet aren't going to change that.

 

[mayank11280]

He's the only suspect or person of interest sought.

That means nothing at the moment.

Either you follow the law or you don't.

There used to be laws favouring owning slaves. Slaves could be beaten for good. Black and white must be segregated. Women couldn’t divorce as per the law. British had laws banning Indians from boggies and all.

 

[blr_p]

That means nothing at the moment.

It means until further notice he's the only shooter. I don't think there is any doubt here. Witnesses said only one guy

There used to be laws favouring owning slaves. Slaves could be beaten for good. Black and white must be segregated. Women couldn’t divorce as per the law. British had laws banning Indians from boggies and all.

This is about murdering people in the street.

Now apply your logic to that

 

[mayank11280]

Don't agree. Find another. Nobody is forcing you to take only what this company offers

Why not, don’t agree, overhaul the system? The health insurance model is extremely broken and is well documented. That’s why the European people as a whole decided to change the system. I don’t think insurance corporations are necessary to the health grievances of people. UK people believed this too and the government heard the grievances and bloodlessly introduced a more acceptable healthcare model for people. And when the status quo is entrenched and people feel unable to ventilate their desire for change, then that silence is broken by the noise of direct action. Violence is the voice of the voiceless. That’s what is happening in US.

This is about murdering people in the street.

Now apply your logic to that

This is oversimplifying the nuances underlying the shooting.

If murder is the only metric then what is Bhagat Singh? He did “murder” someone right?

It means until further notice he's the only shooter. I don't think there is any doubt here. Witnesses said only one guy

So, one unknown guy shot someone, one guy got arrested. Still it is not established that they are the same people.

 

[TEUser2K1]

Suspect in CEO shooting to plead not guilty and fight extradition, lawyer says

Suspect shouted outside court before hearing where he was denied bail

www.theguardian.com

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

Luigi Mangione was arrested at the fast-food restaurant in Pennsylvania after a tip-off from an employee

www.unilad.com

 

[mayank11280]

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

Luigi Mangione was arrested at the fast-food restaurant in Pennsylvania after a tip-off from an employee

www.unilad.com

This is USA. People had already predicted that the reward will never be paid out for some or the other reason.

 

[TEUser2K1]

IMR and MMR of US in the world?

In 2022, the infant mortality rate in the United States was 5.6 deaths per 1,000 live births.
The infant mortality rate for India in 2022 was 27.695 deaths per 1000 live births, a 3.74% decline from 2021.
In 2020, the infant mortality rate in the state of Kerala in India was about six deaths per 1,000 live births.

Despite changes in surveillance methods, National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) reports show that maternal mortality rates in the United States have continued to increase from 17.4 in 2018, to 20.1 in 2019, 23.8 in 2020, and 32.9 per 100,000 live births in 2021.
The MMR declined in India by about 70% from 398/100 000 live births (95% CI 378–417) in 1997–98 to 99/100 000 (90–108) in 2020.
Maternal Mortality Ratio- a measure of women's reproductive health- for Kerala is 19 as against the all-India average of 97.

Mentioning Kerala to show how better it can be achieved in India by other states.

 

[blr_p]

Why not, don’t agree, overhaul the system? The health insurance model is extremely broken and is well documented. That’s why the European people as a whole decided to change the system. I don’t think corporations are necessary to the health grievances of people.

Litigation means doctors have to be protected from malpractice suits. That's what ups the cost to see any doctor.

There are other factors too.

UK heard the grievances and bloodlessly introduced a more acceptable healthcare model for people.

The NHS is shit. I met many doctors who came to the US from there.

And when the status quo is entrenched and people feel unable to ventilate their desire for change, then that silence is broken by the noise of direct action. Violence is the voice of the voiceless. That’s what is happening in US.

And law enforcement will deal with them.

Your argument is more appropriate for some dictatorship or failed state.

This is oversimplifying the nuances underlying the shooting.

Not over simplyfying, getting to the point, that is what he will be tried for.

Why he did it won't matter.

If murder is so wrong then what is Bhagat Singh? He did “murder” someone right?

And they hung him for it. You can go romanticise it all you want.

So, one unknown guy shot someone, one guy got arrested. Still it is not established that they are the same people.

Closest match based on eye witness accounts and cctv.

They will still have to prove he did it but I think he's incriminated himself already with his anti insurance manifesto.