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Did I? The discussion did not start with vacuum cleaners. The discussion was about me and another on how PowerPro is and you both started saying one should go for pro or pay for cordless. Then without even knowing the product, assumptions from you that PowerPro is hard to clean corners and form the other guy that PowerPro will heat up and all started.The point here is simple.
The discussion started with vacuum cleaners in general and you turned this into Philips power pro vs the rest of the world thread.
On one hand, you say this and then you do the same.
Throughout I maintained that this decision is taken after taking demo. Never did I rely on paper specs unlike you two, giving assumptions on this product category.In fact, no one had anything against your choice of vaccum, everyone is sharing their point of views on vacuums in general and the available options.
You are the one making assumptions on reading spec on paper and contradicting references.
Did I say that the award is useless for others? I pointed out lack fo service for Deerma and why one should pay double for these. Looks like you have started to twist my words.Even the so-called IF Design award, it's highly coveted for Philips Power Pro and the same is useless when awarded to other models.
Did I take personal potshots on you. I remember you giving me cordless vacuum cleaner gyaan ( I think that was on Facebook ) and at that time as well, I gave you respect and told you that that is not my type. Then, you do the same here. Again, I told you many times that I will look into those when the models from better brands become mainstream. Even after giving so many reasons, if you think that I am taking personal potshots, I cannot help.Where there is no other valid point to discuss, all you do is take personal potshots
Which is why I did not say that you made a bad purchase when you said you are using Dyson V11. Did I? You started irritating me with look at Dyson, look at Dyson though I said many times that it is not for everyone. So, I mentioned that you may have money to burn so it suits your need. If you feel that it is disrespect for you, I apologize from the bottom of my heart.Neither do you know my use case, nor do you know my due diligence before buying the said product, but you have assumptions for everyone/every product in this thread?
In the context of burning money, I can point out the cost of the few purchases that you had mentioned in this thread, but what would be the difference if I too take pot shots.
What's dust to you is gold to me and vice versa.
Just to set things straight, I have my fair share of vacuum cleaners ownership experience starting from a 1996 BPL-Sanyo dustbuster followed by several models from Eureka Forbes, Karcher, Black & Decker before ending up with Dyson V11. Not to mention the number of portable handheld vacuums from Bergmann, Black & Decker, Bissel that I stored away in between.
In this journey, I ended up taking a longer home demo of many products from Karcher/Eureka Forbes/Re-branded Bissel models from Eureka Forbes etc.
I have briefly used Roidmi F8 in the UK and in fact pre-ordered Roidmi X20 from Indiegogo when I moved back to India, which they cancelled citing custom issues, at which point I went with Dyson V11.
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Unlike the imaginary assumptions, I happened to have hands-on experience with different types of vacuum cleaners over several years, before making an observation from my practical experience.
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Not everyone is expected to purchase every available model and get to know it themselves.
I just happened to be someone with OCD and who upgraded the vacuums over years and settled down with something that ticked most of the boxes for my usage, like your Philips one ticked most of the boxes for your use case.
That doesn't mean either Dyson V11 or Philips power pro are the two best vacuums par excellence in the world of vacuum cleaners.
When you talk about so-called customer care/service etc, do you know how many times we had to reach out to customer care in almost 20 years of vacuum cleaners usage?
Once or twice and that too for procuring the filters and dust bags, this was way before online orders had become mainstream.
These are not cupboard warmers and all these machines were abused to the maximum to extract every ounce of suction left on the machines.
Our BPL Sanyo vacuum's age is close to 30 years.
Last I checked a couple of months back, it still turns on and it works, although it so loud to wake up people in the entire apartment.
But, hey it works and the machine has never seen any service centre/nor a replacement part needed.
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So how many real ownership experiences have you listened to before generalising a few negative reviews on online portals?
How many times do people leave feedback for online orders when they really liked the product? Probably a few instances.
How many times do people leave feedback when they had an issue? Almost every single time.
Happy to have meaningful conversations about vacuums in this thread, but I think it's pretty evident for everyone where these conversations are leading to.
Anyways let me end this conversation by saying the golden words.
Philips power pro is the best vacuum cleaner in the world and is the greatest choice of the century!
Again, you have been twisting this and acting as if I believe PowerPro to be the best. I for sure would not believe that PowerPro is the best. It is stupid to say that PowerPro is the best vacuum cleaner out there. Neither did I say that PowerPro is better than industrial grade cleaner. How many times did I say that if I have money to pay, I would gladly go with Dyson V11+robot cleaner combo. I think you should understand my PoV and stop jumping into conclusion. My stance has been the same from the beginning. For budget conscious buyers, compact cleaners are better suited than pro/industrial ones and cordless ones. These new models are able to match and even beat industrial grade ones (in suction power and cleaning power) and are compact enough to move around easily. Yes, some industrial grade cleaners last longer and are easier to repair but do average buyer really care about that? Some of them go and buy such cleaners and then they come back to Amazon complaining about lack of suction power and how they are not able to find a good service centre. My point: pro ones may be good but for ease of use and service reach, these compact cleaners from mainstream brands are preferred for obvious reasons. Also, go back and see my responses where I said that these compact cleaners are kind of middle ground for buyers till cordless cleaners get better and become mainstream. If this makes you think that I am calling PowerPro as the best one out there, again, my apologies for giving you this impression.
I have to give it to you. You have real talent to ignore bad reviews that mention product issues for products that you go ga-ga over.Do you even read what you are typing, you are so childish. Why on earth would I give you a guarantee, that's for the manufacturer to give. Even then people abuse the warranties like operating above its rated specs and procedures or having crappy power or being hit by a lightning.
If all things be equal pro products will without doubt last longer, only a fool will deny that. Even when they do need repairs, spares and support for them are much faster.
So top spec tank like M1A2 abrams can still be taken down with RPG or a kornet. A F22 or a F35 can still be taken down by the right adversary. These cost several times more then a basic off the shelf stuff from russia and china. So why do you think the US still invests in them, its because the odds of surviving or living to fight another day is more in these then cheap stuff.
Just like that as said plenty of times the Pro level stuff is built better, last longer, easier spares and support. They may lack the bling stuff but they get the Job done running almost daily.
I have not seen the power pro personally, I merely look at the design, motor specs air flow, I came to the conclusions that it would heat up fast. How I know this because I have seen a ton of vacuum cleaners in my lifetime, I still have my 1990 forbes vac. I have gone through several vacs, mostly because they stop selling spares, even have a 110v hoover vac(its runs slower in India using a 220v to 110v converter due to 50hz), thats some where in my tools room. I have tested and demoed some of the best vacuum cleaners out there, not relied on iF award or youtube/online reviews. I took a anemometer, clamp meter and a dB meter to all my demos. I only initially took a clamp meter but some demo people even had the setup ready with those other meters, hence I bought one for my self. So i have lot of practical data on this. Spending that much on a vac is not without through research.
But thanks to your post about the bosch amazon review, I saw the power clean pro amazon 1 star review, there are tons of report of motor burnt issues, do you see why.
So for that single 1 star review on the GAS-12-25 where the user is complaining it lacks a additional power socket feature of EU versions, you go around beating around the bush.
I said fine to but I also said that I have not replaced my not-so-pro applicances in 10 years. Reason, I do not waste money to flash 'pro' monicker. Non-pro appliance work pretty well for me, without any probglem for years and years. So, why should I buy pro ones that comes with higher price tag.Weren't you saying you are fine with replacing stuff every 3 years. So now you want to tell him he has lot of money to burn. He also appears to have used many corded machines. I know the merits of cordless, If I had a cordless Vac, I would use it majority of the time. He has used both and he knows the merits otherwise he wouldn't have spent that much on a cordless machine.
There is one solid reason for this. Put a photo in 'show off' section in forums across the globe, get some likes and feel pride feeling 'hey, look, I have this pro version for which I paid couple of time extra.'. After all, nothing satisfies more than fueling self ego. Believe this is why you are feeling so hurt. That a product that you do not approve is one of the best selling across the globe, that it costs so much less though it is from one of the best home appliances and consumer electronics brand.
This is all that you have got? I am living in a world where I do not throw cash for 'pro' tag and I make my purchases that last long. This is where the burn is for you, isnt it? How is it possible that one who is spending so less on non-pro stuff is having reliable products at home. Somehow, you have this pseudo feeling that you are mighty at judging consumer electronics but then in the end, you are not able to digest the fact that my products are just as reliable.Lol frost free, double door, front load are the most basic stuff, what world are you living in.
Btw, want to know which phone do you use. I am very sure that you use one of those rugged phones that construction workers use. After all, they are made of industrial quality and can last really long. Anyways, I dont care. You jumped the gun when you blindly called compact cleaners as bad product and I am just toying with you. I know that you do not have the capability to look at this category without showing bias. I never thought that there will be anti-fanboys for compact cleaners till I found you.
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