... have issues upon release? :< they can make good mice when they work on it but i wish they'd put more time into it before putting stuff out to the market.
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^actually no 
we bought our db's pretty late. the very first batch had some problems and the ones before the plasma had a minor pixel skipping issue (which was later fixed with the drivers). the db is actually one of their better mice, not as many problems as some of their others. the boomslang was known to literally snap and break while playing lol. the first copperheads required you to upgrade the firmware and stuff before they actually became usable.. and even after that there were many reports of erratic polling rates. now this... it maybe safe to say that razer will fix this mouse soon too but the first few batches from them are always really risky.
oh... did you have any problems after all that you had to do to fix your mouse cord? i just left mine back in india and brought a wheel mouse optical here with me.
we bought our db's pretty late. the very first batch had some problems and the ones before the plasma had a minor pixel skipping issue (which was later fixed with the drivers). the db is actually one of their better mice, not as many problems as some of their others. the boomslang was known to literally snap and break while playing lol. the first copperheads required you to upgrade the firmware and stuff before they actually became usable.. and even after that there were many reports of erratic polling rates. now this... it maybe safe to say that razer will fix this mouse soon too but the first few batches from them are always really risky.oh... did you have any problems after all that you had to do to fix your mouse cord? i just left mine back in india and brought a wheel mouse optical here with me.
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another reason to stick to the wheelmouse optical. whenever problems happen with it u can always afford a new 1. lol. but unfortunately its been stopped now.
MaxAxe said:
hmm well my opinion... taken from a post of mine in a gaming website in reply to a guy who said MS and razer were both shitty :
i wouldn't say that.. imo each mouse company (ms, logitech, razer only) has had its ups and downs. logitech had so many issues with drivers in the past but so many people swear by the mx510 or 518. MS had the IE 3.0 and everyone knows the kinda response it got from gamers.. pretty much the pioneer of 'gaming grade' mice and still holds up today even though it doesn't have as high dpi as the other brands.. all their other mice which used that sensor are great too like the WMO and the intelli optical. however the 4.0 was a pos and the laser mice they made weren't that much better either. i've only used one mouse of razer which is the diamondback and it was really good while it lasted. great shape, great sensor but was pretty fragile i guess. died out on me without warning. the copperhead, i've read... has issues with its sensor and iirc, the g5 and g3 have the same problems as they use the same sensor as well..
The MS IE 3 si easily the best mouse I have ever used, its unfortunate that all of them seem to develop the left-clik problem over a period of time.
Im using the Razer Copperhead right now, since about 6 months.. but no problem at all (atleast till now). The only problem I face is when the comp restarts or has to be restarted.. the mouse doesnt get detected. I have to remove it, put it into another USB port , remove and reattach it into the original port and then start the drivers to get the over sensitive pointer in control. Even this is pretty annoying.
Afaik, users of MS mice dont get used to Logitech mice too easily and vice versa ?
I cant wait to get the same old IE 3 back, MS made the best decision to get it back, shudve let it stay silver instead of black though.
Im using the Razer Copperhead right now, since about 6 months.. but no problem at all (atleast till now). The only problem I face is when the comp restarts or has to be restarted.. the mouse doesnt get detected. I have to remove it, put it into another USB port , remove and reattach it into the original port and then start the drivers to get the over sensitive pointer in control. Even this is pretty annoying.
Afaik, users of MS mice dont get used to Logitech mice too easily and vice versa ?
I cant wait to get the same old IE 3 back, MS made the best decision to get it back, shudve let it stay silver instead of black though.
Gr1M said:
.... my IE3 mouse came with this problem out of the box
It took me around a year to convince M$ to replace the mouse and they replaced it with a IE 4 mouse which I dislike a lot .... a helluva lot .... my finger aches with the force required to move the wheel and the position of thumb buttons are pathetic 
^^ well then your definitions are wrong.
All the issues with the CH, were fixed only because of the Firmware Upgrades.
Im sure Razer knew that there were issues at launch, but due to the Firmware upgradability, they released it anyways, with the Issues fixed with later firmwares.
KingKrool, I guess your not a gamer. Those "bunch" of extra buttons, really help gamers, and that "Driver which affects performance in any way" is really important to FPS Gamers, for them to customise the mouse to how they like it.
All the issues with the CH, were fixed only because of the Firmware Upgrades.
Im sure Razer knew that there were issues at launch, but due to the Firmware upgradability, they released it anyways, with the Issues fixed with later firmwares.
KingKrool, I guess your not a gamer. Those "bunch" of extra buttons, really help gamers, and that "Driver which affects performance in any way" is really important to FPS Gamers, for them to customise the mouse to how they like it.
So technically speaking we dont really have a good reliable gaming mouse in the market other than the MX 510/18 (which I have used and the shape size buttons are pretty comfortable) and the M$ intelli 3.0. Sounds like BUMMER .... doesnt it?
And surprisingly the best mouse that I have used till now IMO is the IBM optical mouse 800 DPI but quite responsive and precise, bought it really really cheap (rs. 50) at the seconds shop, but i'm quite satisfied with it right now,.. it doesnt have any extra buttons as such but precision is all that I need and want.
I'm really kinda pissed at people who swear by Razor so much. I mean ... breaking the cord off a mouse while gaming is the last thing I would want to do.:bleh:
And surprisingly the best mouse that I have used till now IMO is the IBM optical mouse 800 DPI but quite responsive and precise, bought it really really cheap (rs. 50) at the seconds shop, but i'm quite satisfied with it right now,.. it doesnt have any extra buttons as such but precision is all that I need and want.
I'm really kinda pissed at people who swear by Razor so much. I mean ... breaking the cord off a mouse while gaming is the last thing I would want to do.:bleh:
Aditya said:
well that's just a shitty attitude if they knew about it lol. even with all the firmware upgrades, the copperhead has issues.. lemme post a test a friend over at kawa did with his CH. also, when i went to ESWC, i don't think i saw even a single copperhead being used lol. there were a few diamondbacks and a whole lot of mx510/518s and IE 3's, WMO 1.1s and Intelli Opticals. I'm not saying you should get them just because the pros use it but that's really what the pro circuit thinks of mice with laser sensors. almost nobody uses them.
*before someone tries to point this out... No SK does NOT use the copperhead. what they say on their site is just a marketing gimmick.
^he did this on notebooks and not a proper mousepad but that's just how finicky those laser sensors are about surfaces. most good opticals run on pretty much anything.
@binoy.. the black IE 3 looks much better than the silver one. it's not like how it is in the pics. looks great. maybe i'll get one for WoW
AshR, My Copperhead hasnt given me issues for a year.
Only issue now is the left click stopped responding, and ive sent me CH for RMA.
Thats mostly coz It takes a pounding in my bag in the Mumbai trains.
Plus, I use the mouse at 500Hz, You dont "NEED" the drivers...
You only need Razer Drivers if you want the 1000Hz !
At 500Hz, there are NO Tracking issues, absolutely NONE...
@ MaxAxe, first of all its "RAZER" NOT "RAZOR" !...
I swear by Razer for the amazing shapes of the mice..
Also, the sensor used on the CH is the same as the G5/G7/Genius Ergo 525.. I dont see people like you bashing those mice?
Also, Razer are the only innovators around. They are the people taking Gaming peripherals to another level.
They have tried to take the CH Laser sensor to another level, with 1000Hz polling. The G5 is only 500Hz, and the Ergo 525 is 125Hz polling..
Even if they havent succeeded, theyve atleast tried. They dont play it safe like Logitech and Micro$hit...
Only issue now is the left click stopped responding, and ive sent me CH for RMA.
Thats mostly coz It takes a pounding in my bag in the Mumbai trains.
Plus, I use the mouse at 500Hz, You dont "NEED" the drivers...
You only need Razer Drivers if you want the 1000Hz !
At 500Hz, there are NO Tracking issues, absolutely NONE...
@ MaxAxe, first of all its "RAZER" NOT "RAZOR" !...
I swear by Razer for the amazing shapes of the mice..
Also, the sensor used on the CH is the same as the G5/G7/Genius Ergo 525.. I dont see people like you bashing those mice?
Also, Razer are the only innovators around. They are the people taking Gaming peripherals to another level.
They have tried to take the CH Laser sensor to another level, with 1000Hz polling. The G5 is only 500Hz, and the Ergo 525 is 125Hz polling..
Even if they havent succeeded, theyve atleast tried. They dont play it safe like Logitech and Micro$hit...
i'm bashing Razer for their problems on release right now... not the CH specifically. however, when i do bash the CH, i'm bashing the laser sensor which automatically means that i'm bashing the g5/g3 and everything else that uses that shit as well. the thing is laser has ABSOLUTELY NO advantage over optical sensors. it is just a marketing gimmick. the higher dpi (necessity at standard gaming resolutions is questionable) and higher polling rates are possible with optical sensors... i had pushed my db to 750 hertz and it was stable. you may not have a problem with the CH's tracking as you use a cloth pad but if you google, you'll find MANY people complaining about tracking issues of the CH/g5/g3 when used with surfaces like icemat and other hard pads. you yourself said in your post above that Razer knew they had issues. why couldn't they fix them? or better yet, why can't they just use optical when it has been tried and tested to work with a number of different surfaces? not everyone likes cloth. also, almost every single laser mouse that has come out until now has had people complaining about tracking issues (ch/g5/g3/mx1000/MS laser mice... the list goes on). in that sense, the success rate of optical is much higher than that of laser.
also, being innovative doesn't give Razer an excuse to sell faulty products. every single mouse they've come out with has had issues on release and all the people who bought the first or second batch have had to suffer through them. think of the tech noobs who buy a CH but have no clue about what firmware is or how to update it. not all gamers are good with computers. not to mention Razer mice are extremely fragile in comparison to others. so in most cases, playing it safe like Logitech and MS maybe better for the end user. arguing that it has no tracking issues at 500hz is just you finding a workaround. if they advertise 1ms polling rate, it should do that properly. Logitech could have advertised 1000hz too... it's the same sensor after all. atleast nobody will blame them now if it doesn't work properly at that rate.
the thing is Razer CAN make nice mice but they really need to test their products more.. not release them and fix them with 487238472942 driver and firmware updates 1 year later. i give Razer credit where it's due. i loved the diamondback when it worked, especially for its shape which fit my hand like a glove. the problem is... the seem to focus more on the looks and design rather than looking at stuff like durability and ease of use.
one REALLY good thing is that Razer seems to have realized that laser is so so. yes, their upcoming mouse the Death Adder is OPTICAL (infrared like the db plasma). If the sensor is an improved version of the diamondback's, they can't go wrong. i just hope it's not flimsy and the 1ms actually works. also it's the 3.0 shape
also, being innovative doesn't give Razer an excuse to sell faulty products. every single mouse they've come out with has had issues on release and all the people who bought the first or second batch have had to suffer through them. think of the tech noobs who buy a CH but have no clue about what firmware is or how to update it. not all gamers are good with computers. not to mention Razer mice are extremely fragile in comparison to others. so in most cases, playing it safe like Logitech and MS maybe better for the end user. arguing that it has no tracking issues at 500hz is just you finding a workaround. if they advertise 1ms polling rate, it should do that properly. Logitech could have advertised 1000hz too... it's the same sensor after all. atleast nobody will blame them now if it doesn't work properly at that rate.
the thing is Razer CAN make nice mice but they really need to test their products more.. not release them and fix them with 487238472942 driver and firmware updates 1 year later. i give Razer credit where it's due. i loved the diamondback when it worked, especially for its shape which fit my hand like a glove. the problem is... the seem to focus more on the looks and design rather than looking at stuff like durability and ease of use.
one REALLY good thing is that Razer seems to have realized that laser is so so. yes, their upcoming mouse the Death Adder is OPTICAL (infrared like the db plasma). If the sensor is an improved version of the diamondback's, they can't go wrong. i just hope it's not flimsy and the 1ms actually works. also it's the 3.0 shape
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