Why the Ausies ???

[Wraith]

Where is this thread headed??

Indians are being attacked in Aussie land....thats is a fact. Whatever the motive maybe, it doesnt matter, what matters is how do we make it stop?

Bickering about racism and other blah blah that plagues our country is not going to help the Indians in australia. We all know there are many terrible things happenings in our country, and that in no way dilutes the pain of the many ppl suffering in australia.

We conduct nucleur tests and bam we get a zillion sanctions from everyone. Our ppl are being killed and troubled in our own country and else where and what do we do? We bicker amongst ourselves ponting out this and that.

I am happy paki players arent playing in the IPL, if we can stop the aussies from playing that will be great too. These trouble makers have to have some sanctions imposed upon them too. We cant be jolly good we those idiots!

 

[sabby]

@LN and blr_p



Why are you wasting your time ? That casper seems a fake id to me. Zero tech post but already loads of rant in general section.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Now there's rascists everywhere but i'm curious to know what basis you used to classify entire countries as rascist in the here & now. So far all i see is historical referrences but nothing that survives to the present day.

Even for arguments sake if we consider history as the benchmark, then India probably has the longest history of discrimination considering our civilization has been around longer than most only matched by the Egyptian and Chinese. So we have had discrimination in our societies long before the Europeans had societies. Its true that America had one of the most bloody and relatively recent history of racial discrimination by Europeans against many native civilizations and a lot of those people have been thoroughly wiped out. Its the same with Australia. But we too have a long history of discrimination at various stages and levels in our society that continues to this day.

I have never been outside India ever, but I have interacted and worked with Americans, Europeans, Pakistani's, Chinese and Koreans and the only glimpse of racism I have witnessed is what our very Indians have displayed from time to time through discriminative comments, acts and stereotyping.

I am not against protesting if racial discrimination is taking place in another country, but we should not at least protest as if we have no such evil in our own country and its always the other country that has all the evil. At least responding to racism with racism is no form of protest.

 

[MAGNeT]

I have never been outside India ever, but I have interacted and worked with Americans, Europeans, Pakistani's, Chinese and Koreans and the only glimpse of racism I have witnessed is what our very Indians have displayed from time to time through discriminative comments, acts and stereotyping.

Agreed dont we say our dark skin friend kalia..isnt that racist?

Anyways wont type some stuff as long as others did in this thread...

As i know where this thread is heading...:bleh:

 

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I am happy paki players arent playing in the IPL, if we can stop the aussies from playing that will be great too. These trouble makers have to have some sanctions imposed upon them too.

OK, so we don't allow them to play, can you tell us what the desired deliverables will be ?

- Less pak inspired terrorism
- Attacks on Indians go down in Oz.

You actually expect the above to happen as a result ?

If not what reason is there to support these arbitrary decisons.

@LN and blr_p

Why are you wasting your time ? That casper seems a fake id to me. Zero tech post but already loads of rant in general section.

Did notice that actually, let's see whether he has any comeback

 

[Wraith]

OK, so we don't allow them to play, can you tell us what the desired deliverables will be ?

- Less pak inspired terrorism

- Attacks on Indians go down in Oz.

You actually expect the above to happen as a result ?

If not what reason is there to support these arbitrary decisons.

Did notice that actually, let's see whether he has any comeback

I dont expect any of the above to happen overnight. But we have to take a stand and do something for once instead of having "talks".

"talks" havent got us anything so far have they? In this day and age where money makes the world go round, economic or similar sanctions seems like a logical choice.

Dont let the paki and aussie players and artists perform in India. Maybe someday their local population and govt will realize the reason behind it. Will we loose something imp in our lives, if paki singers dont singing for bollywood or if that aman ki asha thing doesnt happen?

The IPL thing is crap anyways and if the aussies dont play in it and the IPL goes down the drain, even better. Bring on Test cricket.

Even though all this a long shot, a lot of ppl seem to be crapping their plans to study in aussie land. Some of them are apparently even coming back. When the aussie govt calculates the loss of revenue beacuse of this, I am sure some 'tough talking' and 'tough measures' might be taken.

 

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I dont expect any of the above to happen overnight. But we have to take a stand and do something for once instead of having "talks".

"talks" havent got us anything so far have they? In this day and age where money makes the world go round, economic or similar sanctions seems like a logical choice.

The current position wrt to the Paks is good enough, don't you think.

I happen to think the way their players were humiliated does not really make much difference except soothe a few injured egos here. If that made you feel better, good but i'm more interested in how effective it would be in changing their current stance instead.

Not much, because their ppl really dont get a say in how foreign affairs are run, even their elected officials do not. Does their military who calls the shots care, doubt it. So this action only pissed off their ppl who will be even more useless the next time something happens.

Dont let the paki and aussie players and artists perform in India. Maybe someday their local population and govt will realize the reason behind it.

Wrt to Australia you do realise one of the reasons Rudd was in Delhi recently was to discuss the Gorgon deal. Google it, expect the Chinese would have no problems snapping that one up

The IPL thing is crap anyways and if the aussies dont play in it and the IPL goes down the drain, even better. Bring on Test cricket.

[STRIKE]Any other takers for this position ?[/STRIKE]
Let the market decide that without interfering in it!

When the aussie govt calculates the loss of revenue beacuse of this, I am sure some 'tough talking' and 'tough measures' might be taken.

What do you expect them to do ?

They have crime in areas where these students live. That means not only Indians are being attacked but anyone that looks worth the hassle will be but we don't read about that. Should Oz tell these students to be home by 6pm or something. You are asking that crime be not as bad in tough areas and its not feasible. So in the meantime you get more useless statements from Oz officials.

If this keeps up it will become harder to get visas to go to Oz which would arguably be worse than the current situation.

 

[Wraith]

If this keeps up, i dont think there will be many Indians lining up to get the aussie visa anyways!

You are saying that not only Indians but everyone else is being attacked in aussie land, right? That means its not a safe place to visit or stay! If those idiots cant keep the crime in control we shldnt go there!

Govt of India issued an advisory regarding travel to aussie land, and the aussies immediately frowned upon it.

And when every country in the world issues an advisory regarding visiting India, what do we as Indians say? Well they might have a point blah blah...

We as Indians have our own problems and plenty of them! But when we have to face the world and stand up for other Indians, we must do so together, and not bicker amongst ourselves regarding our problems.

 

[Casperondope]

Now there's rascists everywhere but i'm curious to know what basis you used to classify entire countries as rascist in the here & now.

I wasn't there when i pulled out historical references so what does that mean? I wasn't there when the indians were attacked. I wasn't there when bihari's got attacked but i was still in mumbai. I still cite those events. Does it matter that i was 50 miles away or 500 or 5000?

I never said that the whole population was racist. I'll tell you about people who went to places we talk about. I have read dozens of articles where indian journalists went to pakistan and wrote fine things about hospitality and care. You talk about the similar things. Then why is that i still think pakistan is racist or intolerant? Why did i point out suburbans white trash infested neighborhoods in US/australia. I never went there or got to read articles in news papers about red necks. Obviously, i was citing information in got from friends, people who live or who have lived there just like you. I have and still participate in underground forums. Those are the places where you get candid information.

If say, oz decided it would not allow any more indians to enter their country, your argument might have had more merit.

India along with china is THE market where every businessmen from every country wants to do business in. Why would they want to lock themselves out by getting into the faces of indian diplomats? Read this BTW

Then why did i take sides?
I just do it to engage in arguments. If people on this forum were cursing australia in this thread then i would have taken the australian side.

Do i think racism was involved in australia?
Yes. That's a gut instinct. Not one of reason.

I lived in the UK for many years and have on occasion experienced what you said in the surburbs but it never got to the point where i could classify an entire country as such.

A white man is a very tough nut to crack. You need to feed him enough to open him up. White pride is something they don't talk about. Indians have a lot of secrets and we know they got there secrets.

What's troubling is you use these countries past wrongs as a justification for us to do no better. In short the 'everyone does it' argument. Are these the kind of stds you want us to emulate ? otherwise why defend this sort of behaviour.

Prosperity does amazing things to people.

And people like you make me laugh and cry at the same time.

Im confused!

Look at how easily you put down people of other cultures and counties saying they are this, they are that, they stole someone else's land

Did i lie?
You don't forget the past. The past is there to make you and others realize the mistakes. It is there to punish you. If isn't there to be forgotten. Else why don't they forget the holocaust? Why won't they forget the 1984 sikh riots? Why won't they forget the babri masjid demolition? Why won't they forget the godhra massacre? Yes! Why should you forget years of british rule? Why should you forget that the muslim invaders slaughtered 8 crore hindus and buddhists? Do you think the native indians in US have forgot? We are free but there still under foreign rule. That is what "avatar" tried to say.

Who ever said that history should be forgotten is a dangerous thought.

we are still great no matter what without seeing that we are same as everyone else and without trying to better ourselves rather than trying to preach to others what we do not practice.

I never said we are great. Saying that Mr. A is great doesn't automatically mean that Mr. B is not great. You are making your own stories here.

In fact if you are against the discrimination in other countries while ignoring it in our own country
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you are yourself a racist no better than one in any other country of the world.

I never said i ignored the discrimination in my own country.
Im against discrimination here and im against discrimination elsewhere. Now your putting words into my mouth and based on that you call me a racist? Are you ok?

You say that internal shit is no business of Australians, agreed, but isn't it our business at least especially when we want to want preach to Australia how they should behave. You want to dictate how Australians should behave in Australia.

What happens in india is none of australia's business. I said that because when we pointed at them, they pointed back at us. The fact is the victims in australia are "indians" and speaking for them is our business.

Isn't it their own internal matter even if Indians are involved?

Indians are indians and whatever happens to them is an indians business. The indian govt. allows indians to visit australia and study there assuming that it is safe. If there are attacks, then it is india's job to call on australia to look into the attacks. If australia fails to do that then we will have to issue a travel advisory. We may even have to bar australians from doing business in india. Disallow them from exporting goods to india. That is how the world works. India can choose to stop but the world won't.

Isn't it also a form of racism to discriminate against cricket players who have nothing to do with the violence. If you respond to racism with racism, the mutual hate is only going to increase.

Im not a pacifist. There is nothing more illogical than that.

@LN and blr_p

Why are you wasting your time ? That casper seems a fake id to me. Zero tech post but already loads of rant in general section.

Im used to be a member here until i got banned. Think for a while and you'll remember me. I'll give you a hint... I participated in the RT and the telangana thread.

 

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If this keeps up, i dont think there will be many Indians lining up to get the aussie visa anyways!

You are saying that not only Indians but everyone else is being attacked in aussie land, right? That means its not a safe place to visit or stay! If those idiots cant keep the crime in control we shldnt go there!

Let Indians decide for themselves

..and its in tough areas where the problems are, the ones with the cheap rents where no one who's sane enough will want to live. But to many here its a land of opportunity and they are willing to take any risks to succeed. They cant afford to live in better areas or they would do so.

Read this BTW

Figures, Oz must have been the easiest country to get in to, not any more. I bet we'll see attacks come down now for sure.

Obviously, i was citing information in got from friends, people who live or who have lived there just like you. I have and still participate in underground forums. Those are the places where you get candid information.

Well, i've given you a different perspective.

Do i think racism was involved in australia?
Yes. That's a gut instinct. Not one of reason.

Instincts are well and good, but facts are better. Were there attacks that were racsist sure, how many out of the lot ? No one knows they dont keep that info. All they care about is recording that an attack occurred. We wont know more until some NGO with a vested interest decides to dig up Aussie police logs and files a 'report'.

A white man is a very tough nut to crack. You need to feed him enough to open him up. White pride is something they don't talk about. Indians have a lot of secrets and we know they got there secrets.

The is the biggest load of garbage i've ever read. What's more you lump dozens of countries & distinct cultures into one because they happen to be umm, white. Given you have yet to actually interact with 'white' ppl IRL i'd keep my mind open. Evidently you think the white man that colonised the world in the past is the same white man of today. Ha! not by a long shot.

However I will admit that this view is prevalent among a few of my elders generation, ones that had a harder time dealing with them. Those were very different times and that generation was prolly a good deal more rascist than the one today.

Prosperity does amazing things to people.

Wake me up when there are westerners queuing up outside our embassies hoping to come here for a degree with the hope of settling permanently after

 

[Casperondope]

The current position wrt to the Paks is good enough, don't you think.

The reasons for pakistan going over board for not being selected in IPL needs to be studied. Im sure there's something hidden in that reaction.

That means not only Indians are being attacked but anyone that looks worth the hassle will be but we don't read about that.

Karan thapar in a show on india tonight thought indians were picked up mostly.

 

[hash]

Why the heck should Australian players be forbidden from IPL? It's just 10 out of million are causing the trouble. All my cousins live in Australia and they say the racist is 'OVERLY' hyped , majority of the attacks are from Lebanese people. That's what he said on January when he visited India.

Why punish C when B causes the problem to A?

 

[Casperondope]

Figures, Oz must have been the easiest country to get in to, not any more. I bet we'll see attacks come down now for sure.

That's good right? The void will be filled elsewhere. In some other country. Where they teach indian kids how to dye there hair pink and cook foreign cuisines.

Instincts are well and good, but facts are better. Were there attacks that were racsist sure, how many out of the lot ? No one knows they dont keep that info. All they care about is recording that an attack occurred. We wont know more until some NGO with a vested interest decides to dig up Aussie police logs and files a 'report'.

And hence the gut feeling propping up indian media to engage in a media war. The message is simple - "We know some of them are racist. Investigate it and announce it publicly else watch watch as we stomp the image of australia down the drain".

The is the biggest load of garbage i've ever read.

Thank you

What's more you lump dozens of countries & distinct cultures into one because they happen to be umm, white.

Cultures? White? You want me to believe that there's a difference between autralia and usa aside from the name. lol

Given you have yet to actually interact with 'white' ppl IRL i'd keep my mind open.

A man with secrets recognizes another man of secrets immediately. Im an indian. What more could i say. Hehe.

Evidently you think the white man that colonised the world in the past is the same white man of today. Ha! not by a long shot.

That's like picking out democrats out of the republicans. That's like picking out the secular aspirants from BJP or congress. I don't think you you understood me when i said the "white man is a tough nut to crack". There is something within us, why some make animals and reptiles there god while others believe in a philosophy of survival of the strongest - top of the food chain. No amount of civilized courses change that basis nature.

However I will admit that this view is prevalent among a few of my elders generation, ones that had a harder time dealing with them. Those were very different times and that generation was prolly a good deal more rascist than the one today.

You should focus more on your instincts.

Wake me up when there are westerners queuing up outside our embassies hoping to come here for a degree with the hope of settling permanently after

okay

 

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The reasons for pakistan going over board for not being selected in IPL needs to be studied. Im sure there's something hidden in that reaction.

Don't think there is anything to see there, usual hysterical reaction. I mean what else did you expect. Every country's diplomats are trained to act like attack dogs when their country is sleighted.

Karan thapar in a show on india tonight thought indians were picked up mostly.

Maybe he has better sources and has seen reports that tabulated all of this ?

Who did he interview btw ?

That's good right? The gap will get filled elsewhere.

I don't know, fewer of our ppl will be able to take advantage of this now. So end result is that our image was more important well, you got what you wanted.

And hence the gut feeling propping up indian media to engage in a media war. The message is simple - "We know some of them are racist. Investigate it and announce it publicly else watch watch as we stomp the image of australia down the drain".

I don't have too much faith in their investigations, but i bet they are very capable at keeping everyone hooked to whatever they say.

A man with secrets recognizes another man of secrets immediately. Im an indian. What more could i say. Hehe.

Everyone's got secrets, so what ?

I don't think you you understood me when i said the "white man is a tough nut to crack".

Then try and do a better job than the last time around.

Why the heck should Australian players be forbidden from IPL? It's just 10 out of million are causing the trouble. All my cousins live in Australia and they say the racist is 'OVERLY' hyped , majority of the attacks are from Lebanese people. That's what he said on January when he visited India.

Why punish C when B causes the problem to A?

Exactly, as to the why, the party making the threats needs to create as much publicity as possible, they are in a life & death situation right now. It fits the pattern with previous acts committed of late. Course quite a few ppl think the reasons given are actually credible. They are not.

This is nothing more than a hijack of business for ulterior motives. Given that mumbai happens to be the business centre of the country, hijacking things there has a far reaching effect on the rest.

 

[sabby]

@those who thinks banning aussie players from IPL will stop the attacks on Indian

First thing first, the oz govt won't give a sh!t whether their players are allowed in IPL or not. In fact, CA will be happy as they were afraid that some players may retire from International cricket to play in IPL.

Now tell me, if the oz people are racist, then why only Indians are attacked ?? Are the other people from Asia white ?? The 24hrs news channels need something to yell about that's why they stick to one issue and makes various theories but move on if they find another issue. The politicians need something to divert us from our own problems.

I'm not praising oz here anyway. Its true that some people are racist. But I think the percentage in India will be multiple times than that of oz.

If you really think something is to be done, stop visiting oz ( whether its a tour/holiday or for studies ) Maybe then their govt will take some strict actions.

@casper

I guessed that you are broadway.

 

[Sei]

Agreed dont we say our dark skin friend kalia..isnt that racist?

Anyways wont type some stuff as long as others did in this thread...

As i know where this thread is heading...:bleh:

I object, Meeelorrrd! I'm called Kalia even though I don't have dark skin..

PS: It's my surname.

I love these threads.. The scroll button on my mouse has a miniorg@$m with all the rubbing it gets. I'm too vella hyeah:

 

[kippu]

i just see blr p and caser person talking to each other , quoting each other ,,, so long that i am sure others are not bothered to read it up , so why dont you guys go in pm

 

[sunny27]

casperondope is a fake user like the MIT guy?

<rant>

btw what i am going to post here is totally out of context or relevance to this thread and i know this is not meant to be posted here - but wanted to say something to the philosopher from MIT - he hurt my sentiments -about being a mechanic--IF YOU ARE READING THIS MR.SO CALLED PHILOSOPHER--with a couple of swigs of booze any mechanic or as a matter of fact any person would turn into a philosopher BUT with a couple of pegs of booze YOU can't turn into a mechanic! you cant work with circuits or write a program or solve sums! and all that you use and see around you comes from a mechanic but nothing in the real world that is practical or of any use or functional comes from a PHILOSOPHER.

</rant>

Back to the Australian Issue now!

 

[l33t_5n1p3r_max]

I've seen people frame better sentences when they're having a seizure..what are you, a moron or something?

 

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Anyone know when the decison about letting Aussies play is going to take place ?