I'm trying to get out of India since Indian companies can't match the payscale if you want to live better life
Gannu
Your choice of countries is obviously because of your profession that involves ships and vessels, right ?
Basic corruption is not the primary reason I would want to leave India. And it is not just the large population which is resulting in India to what it is. Most of our behavioral aspects are embedded in our culture and frankly speaking: I hate them. Call me different or weird, but that is it. I am a medium class citizen here, and nor am I striving to move up the ranks, but I am not corrupt. Why would you map such an incorrect logic for people here. Have you actually worked in India as a professional. Not hitting out at you, but questioning you, cause that statement really does not make sense. Am I a Saint, no, but I am not a corrupt government officer, or i.e.; I do not exploit the position I am in, directly or indirectly. How can high population be an answer for lack of empathy. Indian's are selfish and only care for the world around them, not even their families. And this is inculcated within us since birth. I have it too...! Humans are not valued as life, or fellow humans, people just move on. I have been to crowded places in Singapore and America (NA); I did not see people pushing and shoving and being downright 'mean' to each other. Not even starting the way women are treated, cause we all know the answer to that...! Cheating, dishonesty, unprofessional behavior, thug mentality, crass ideas, non-respect of privacy are all our inherent attributes, sadly. As an individual, one is bound to reach a catharsis; and feel diminutive and ostracized. We are doing this to each other, day-in-day-out. Our society, internally is hemorrhaging itself, without even realizing this.That's the problem in India. The population:resource ratio is extremely skewed, leading to basic corruption in every day life and lack of empathy. I don't care how much of a saint you think you are, but nobody is 'uncorruptable' in India, simply because you need to be corrupt, at least to some level, just to survive and reach medium/high class societies.
^Root of all problems in India, imho. No wonder people are trying to get out. Its like population self correction. You think USA won't degrade to a 3rd world nation when it suddenly wakes up with a billion+ people to feed instead of 300 million that it has now? Go to NYC, outside times square. Its basically halfway through turning into a 3rd world metropolitan city. Traffic jams everywhere, no lane driving, garbage/piss on the streets with a lot of homeless and beggars, not as much as Indian cities right now, but the intensity is definitely racking up. Turns out its also the most populated city in the US. Its no coincidence.
...or Sweden!
I always wanted to go abroad and live there, but after being here for 1.5 years I would really like to come back. Without actually living in a foreign country for some time the idea of living in a developed country seems really attractive and intriguing, but after you get there you might feel differently. The people there do not share your first-language, there is a stark cultural difference and the majority already have a certain perception about you just by the color of your skin. And I wouldn't blame them, the majority of Indians that come here are from small towns or villages and thus help in perpetuating stereotypes about us. You cant really relate with the Indians here that come from India, and the majority of the ones that were brought up here have a sense of 'superiority' while interacting with the newly arrived Indians.
Although yeah, the work ethic and the ease of living here certainly beckons you, but it can get depressing at times and I think peace of mind is more important then all of the things western countries have to offer.
You reminded me of two things I have heard(never been outside): a. In India when you take a leave for something other than sickness/existing family emergency(being the highlight word) it's considered nothing short of treachery. In US, a person can easily say he needs to watch his son's baseball game and no one questions him.My personal experience has been good for whatever short stint i had in the US. Apart from money what i valued more there was my family life, i was able to spend more (than in India) time at my home outside work. This might be just my case or probably i am wrong but i found quality of life better in a developed nation and major contributors was non hectic travel time (currently i spend total 3 Hours traveling daily) , more family life and mostly importantly ease of getting things done, especially because corruption is not that much prevalent at the lower level of the hierarchy, which is where we as a common person deals with.
Apart from USA i have stayed in China for a good period and my personal experience of that country is that it is almost similar to India. If you have been staying in a major city in India and live in a major city in China (like Shanghai, Beijing) the experience was almost similar.
The Nordic/Scandinavian countries would be a good place to go to. Just that the cold will be a bi***; and for work a third language might need to be learned (could be wrong). But they are nice places, and well run countries. Irreligious too.
I am thinking of Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai and the likes - essentially a place which has advanced shipyards and ship-repair facilities. US is out of question.
: a. In India when you take a leave for something other than sickness/existing family emergency(being the highlight word) it's considered nothing short of treachery. In US, a person can easily say he needs to watch his son's baseball game and no one questions him.
Edit: 500th post yay!
b. Outside work is part of life, In India it is life. Maybe its due to struggle people go through to make even the bare minimum.
a. In India when you take a leave for something other than sickness/existing family emergency(being the highlight word) it's considered nothing short of treachery. In US, a person can easily say he needs to watch his son's baseball game and no one questions him.
Very wise choice of nations, I must say.
Nah, that might be generalising it a bit. It's more or less the same case there. People making minimum wage have lots of horror stories to tell. They live in cramped, stinking apartments or broken (literally) homes. The employers exploit them badly. Keep in mind the high costs of healthcare and in some cases, the minimum wage employees don't even get medical insurance.
Even there, there are people who spend 10-12 hours at work everyday. But, I can say that they take their holidays very seriously. No mails, no office work. I wish it was the same in India.
Haha, I salute your boss. Its very cool of him to consider gaming as an excuseIn fact, the next working day sometimes he used to follow up asking 'did you finally manage to complete that game?!'. He's in his late 30s so he probably understands all these.
Its easy to say when you have earned considerable amount of money and you have good financial background , all the peeople saying want to stay in country is just because they parents has great financial backing to cover them up remove that & they would be first one to get out of the country.Even though i have good pay way better than my collegaues in India(sometimes i even beat my colleagues who are in onsite ) but due to human nature and its unpredictibility one always ask for more.Not entirely true (although true in my case ), in India i feel even the most basic needs have increased in prices so much and the cascading effect is what is more worrying. Petrol and Diesel price increases due to which the vegetable vendors increase prices citing fuel costs. My company increased bus fares only because fuel price increase. In such cases even if you are directly not consuming fuel (vehicle etc) it still affects you drastically.
Also living better is not necessarily associated with have huge pay scales (although it does help) but at least being able to buy things we need and services we want at reasonable price and still having ability to save.
This! This is the only part which I absolutely desist about working here. For taking a leave for 4 days at my new job here, I had to come up with all kinds of reasons. I was soooooo pissed off. Now that I have established myself in the company (sort of), I am not going to explain anything ever again. The company is giving me leave and I am going to utilise it. ALL OF IT. Take a hike if you don't understand or don't like it.
Completely agree with this post.
I've lived in the US for 4+ years now after having moved here in 2009. I was 25 when I moved, to give things a perspective. There is always an effort required to integrate into any place you move to. (One faces the same issue even while moving to another city/state within India). People might complain about aloofness/reservations that people have in the US. I don't see that. It is just that the familiarity (maybe even over-familiarity) that is quickly assumed in Indian social interactions is not present in western cultures. That is not racism. They are not being cold to non-americans. That is an attitude displayed regardless of citizenship/race.
Also, I don't agree with the 'second-class citizens' tag that is being utilised here. To be frank, it is easier to become a second-class citizen in India. If a person is not in the sweet spot of a social or economic section or is a slight outlier from what is considered "normal" behaviour, life in India is not very rosy. There is a lot of prejudice and stereotyping. When I met new people in India, I noticed the initial conversations involved trying to estimate and place each other in a economic/social hierarchy and that estimate tends to colour all future interactions. I am rather glad that the situations where I have to deal with things like that are much fewer now.