I missed the 300 per "month" part
I missed the 300 per "month" part
Actually it is more like 5k divided by 3 as revenues are normally reported quarterly. Though bigbyte's post leaves me even more confused.
Not to turn this into a finance discussion neither of the calculations makes sense. 46-47 mil users means there is a 100% variance in what they say in the same sentence earlier (According to the IDFC analysis, at 50% capacity utilization) which is nearly 100 mil users.
The 2nd calculation of 140 mil users has a variance of 40-17% (based on their figures of 100-120mil users), a difference which can make or break a company.
Here's my last follow up on this as I have sold the phone locally.
On 19th May, Jio's network engineer called me to take my feedback and tell me a planned tower next to my building. "10 days sir" was something they promised. There were people on twitter saying Jio came up with towers near their place in a week or something. It seemed pretty exciting that there was a company who was ready to go out of its way to help its customer.
Things turned weird on 21st May when they called and said, they need to close my ticket. That incensed me a little cause they had not yet resolved the complain and the 10 days timeframe was kind of vague. So argument ensued and I asked them to increase my validity for each day they think it will be delayed. They obliged and increased it by a month.
The very same day Jio app's update was released which showed everyone getting validity increased by 3 months. Later it turned out to the 1 month extension was rolled back when the correct of 3 months happened. Calls to Jio support went nowhere as they claimed they never had any such offer, which pissed me more.
On 1st June, seeing no improvement I raised another ticket. Got a confirmation call but the connection was so bad that if I tried bringing the phone to my ear, it got disconnected. Jio support closed the ticket as "successfully resolved" without even talking to me once.
Raised a ticket again, this time Jio told it will take up to 3 months for the bad connection to resolve. This meant, I could be holding a worthless sim and phone in my hand.
Over this course I have seen people defending Jio with:
1. You were aware this was testing so you dug your own hole by spending 5k -> Two wrongs don't make it right. Yes, my mistake that I was kinda fanboyish and bought Jio after pestering someone for an invite. But then feedbacks are not supposed to be about me rather the service.
I have noticed that while they are aware of indoor coverage issue they are not doing much about it. Instead they are opening the testing for everyone without an invite. One might say services will improve once they take over Reliance CDMA frequency. But then could also do an no-invite beta when they are able to get that frequency instead of trying to clear their Lyf phone inventory.
Additionally, my issue not only stems from their service but customer support too. I have read some stories about them closing tickets without resolutions. They will also ban people from raising self service tickets if they see you opening tickets on their successfully resolved but not really issues. That to me is an ostrich like behaviour.
2. You should have checked your service around you before buying -> My fault again. Though I did re-check the service after I got nearly 0 bars in my house. Jio said my area was classified as excellent and later it was relegated to good. If 0 bars is good I can't really say much.
3. Jio's indoor coverage is not good -> This has been one of the most standard defence I have seen people put up for Jio. In an age of smartphones we seem to have forgotten that phone's primarily capability should be calling. Not surfing, not gaming but calling. Jio's VoLTE was supposed to deliver it big time. While there are instances like at my office where it could connect it delivered good voice quality but travelling with it is a pain. So it hasn't done that for me.
Given that I have choice of Airtel/Vodafone/Idea etc which give me near excellent coverage in my house, why should I even buy a Jio sim? Data? Nope cause I already have broadband, rates for which I am sure Jio mobile is not going to beat. Data on the go? In a normal month, I barely use 500MB out of the 1GB 3G I buy. So no.
Many people have reported 30-40Mbps and they have downloaded 100sGB from their network. That is what is keeping them happy. Not many have even checked if the Jio VoLTE works. So will they give 100s of GBs of data to customers at affordable rates? I don't know, but I think this is not going to be replacement for BB because the rates on mobile data are never going to be that cheap and they have Jio Fiber.
TL;DR - Jio's performance has not been good for me. I personally wouldn't be rushing to buy a sim, if and when they launch.
On 19th May, Jio's network engineer called me to take my feedback and tell me a planned tower next to my building. "10 days sir" was something they promised. There were people on twitter saying Jio came up with towers near their place in a week or something. It seemed pretty exciting that there was a company who was ready to go out of its way to help its customer.
Things turned weird on 21st May when they called and said, they need to close my ticket. That incensed me a little cause they had not yet resolved the complain and the 10 days timeframe was kind of vague. So argument ensued and I asked them to increase my validity for each day they think it will be delayed. They obliged and increased it by a month.
The very same day Jio app's update was released which showed everyone getting validity increased by 3 months. Later it turned out to the 1 month extension was rolled back when the correct of 3 months happened. Calls to Jio support went nowhere as they claimed they never had any such offer, which pissed me more.
On 1st June, seeing no improvement I raised another ticket. Got a confirmation call but the connection was so bad that if I tried bringing the phone to my ear, it got disconnected. Jio support closed the ticket as "successfully resolved" without even talking to me once.
Raised a ticket again, this time Jio told it will take up to 3 months for the bad connection to resolve. This meant, I could be holding a worthless sim and phone in my hand.
Over this course I have seen people defending Jio with:
1. You were aware this was testing so you dug your own hole by spending 5k -> Two wrongs don't make it right. Yes, my mistake that I was kinda fanboyish and bought Jio after pestering someone for an invite. But then feedbacks are not supposed to be about me rather the service.
I have noticed that while they are aware of indoor coverage issue they are not doing much about it. Instead they are opening the testing for everyone without an invite. One might say services will improve once they take over Reliance CDMA frequency. But then could also do an no-invite beta when they are able to get that frequency instead of trying to clear their Lyf phone inventory.
Additionally, my issue not only stems from their service but customer support too. I have read some stories about them closing tickets without resolutions. They will also ban people from raising self service tickets if they see you opening tickets on their successfully resolved but not really issues. That to me is an ostrich like behaviour.
2. You should have checked your service around you before buying -> My fault again. Though I did re-check the service after I got nearly 0 bars in my house. Jio said my area was classified as excellent and later it was relegated to good. If 0 bars is good I can't really say much.
3. Jio's indoor coverage is not good -> This has been one of the most standard defence I have seen people put up for Jio. In an age of smartphones we seem to have forgotten that phone's primarily capability should be calling. Not surfing, not gaming but calling. Jio's VoLTE was supposed to deliver it big time. While there are instances like at my office where it could connect it delivered good voice quality but travelling with it is a pain. So it hasn't done that for me.
Given that I have choice of Airtel/Vodafone/Idea etc which give me near excellent coverage in my house, why should I even buy a Jio sim? Data? Nope cause I already have broadband, rates for which I am sure Jio mobile is not going to beat. Data on the go? In a normal month, I barely use 500MB out of the 1GB 3G I buy. So no.
Many people have reported 30-40Mbps and they have downloaded 100sGB from their network. That is what is keeping them happy. Not many have even checked if the Jio VoLTE works. So will they give 100s of GBs of data to customers at affordable rates? I don't know, but I think this is not going to be replacement for BB because the rates on mobile data are never going to be that cheap and they have Jio Fiber.
TL;DR - Jio's performance has not been good for me. I personally wouldn't be rushing to buy a sim, if and when they launch.
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I feel the real reason for delay in launch of commercial service by Reliance JIO are the issues stated by @abhi1984 .I know a person who is working with Reliance JIO and he admits the issue. Earlier JIO was facing tremendous problems in implementing VoLTE which they have solved to certain extent. Now JIO has spectrum in 1800mhz or 800 mhz range in most circles, so technically they shall be able to provide indoor coverage in line with other operators, and we all know it's not there. Due to the delay in launch of commercial services the real value of LYF handsets have come down drastically and only way they can get rid of stocks is by means of bundling the free sim card and free services which is not bad.
I was using Reliance CDMA connection till their shutdown last month, it offered me indoor coverage where no GSM operator had any signal and it offered me fairly decent internet speed @ Rs.94/ month for 1 GB. What I ( and many of us, if not all ) need is a reliable internet on the move, not a 10mbps plus speed with patchy coverage like current 3G of all GSM operators.
I was using Reliance CDMA connection till their shutdown last month, it offered me indoor coverage where no GSM operator had any signal and it offered me fairly decent internet speed @ Rs.94/ month for 1 GB. What I ( and many of us, if not all ) need is a reliable internet on the move, not a 10mbps plus speed with patchy coverage like current 3G of all GSM operators.
mahesh_bharti
Disciple
swatkats
Skilled
Many people did regster. More than 80% are interested in only SIM. If they refuse to give SIM only, No thanks but i'll take after December.
^^ Likewise here. Ready to buy just the SIM. Will wait until it becomes available. I don't see any point in buying a Lyf mobile for the SIM.
Actually it was not until people started using the phones, that they realized indoor coverage problem. I have seen some complains that VoLTE suffers from drop calls even in an excellent coverage but with every 9 out of 10 users reporting speeds and data downloads, there is not many meaningful data there. On the other hand, Jio doesn't seem to encourage people to report call issues too.
There is no doubt CDMA had one of the best coverage and so is 2G. That is pertinently because money invested in those infrastructure was to get customers onboarded to mobile than upgrades. So it had lot of money invested into it. Currently most people are not really impressed by 10mpbs speeds, specially on the phones (unless they have a mifi device), they are okay with 1-2Mbps with decent page loads and whatsapp.
The discussion of CDMA, 2G etc also reminds of one thing. When I was trying to use the sim in my moto G3, the battery drain was noticeably more. On searching around, I found couple of pages which actually pointed to a relation between bad coverage and battery. ex: http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/28893/does-poor-reception-deplete-the-battery-quicker
This actually added to my list of woes as to why I gave up on Jio.
adventureguy
Skilled
if tower is far away from phone, it has to use more battery to stay connected. This is the reason why battery drop is more when travelling in trains.
Its 600mtrs away from my house as per Jio support. I think problem is exacerbated by 4G LTE uses more battery than 3G/2G. And given LYF phone batteries are not exactly robust they have a really huge problem where it drains quicker than even charging when in tethering.
That said, here's one news item which I think patently is not true about Jio. Given the plan of 0.5p/10kb I think the rates would be much cheaper. But they seem to be quoting the IDFC research
http://phoneradar.com/reliance-jio-postpaid-voice-4g-data-plans/
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I strongly have a feeling that 4G data rates to be offered by JIO will not be disruptive in nature. It will only be marginally cheaper than current 3G rates, and incumbent operators shall be able to match rates. The real focus for JIO shall be to offer reliability and coverage, only then it can get a sizable chink of customers.
I think the rates will be disruptive. If they are going to provide only marginally cheaper rates, other providers will do the same. The other operators are just milking the users because there is no real competition. They also can afford to lower the rates. Jio is not tapping into a new market but an already saturated one where they have to introduce dhamaka offers for conversion.
Let's see what happens, RCom has already announced it's 4G rates for Up and MH circles. They are equivalent to curent pricing. The real hope lies only with RJio since they are the one with huge Data capacity. I'll be happy if I get the rates offered earlier by Reliance CDMA ( approx Rs. 100 for 1 gb) and a reliable data coverage.
swatkats
Skilled
Jio expects users to consume 10GB per month so the above PhoneRadar thing might be true.
100/GB is not at all bad and don't expect any company to give Data just for dirt cheap.. Every company wants to give more GB's only if the plan is on the higher end.
Let's consider Tentative postpaid plans :
- Unlimited Local calls - 499 minimum + 10Gb @ 50/GB = 1000/month + taxes
- Unlimited local & STD - 899 minimum + 20Gb @ 35/GB +Mi-Fi + Free Content = 2000/month + taxes
sharktale1212
Skilled
I think the 0.5p/10kb pointed out by @abhi1984 would mean the prices will be likely a 6th of the current rates. I am thinking ~40-50 per GB. But let's see first it should launch.
swatkats
Skilled
^^ Yeah. I too received an invite through email yesterday. Will skip it.
Well, one of my office colleagues got a Jio LYF phone and after using it, feel its not bad. I have still not recieved the invite from @vaibhavyagnik yet - checked in spam and all.