Karnataka Elections 2018

Whatever said and done.
Bjp is still largest single party in karnataka. It’s Kannada people’s bad luck that their educated class and so called forum and online arm chair chairmen who did NOTA or didn’t vote at all.
So, you will teach Kannadigas whom to vote and how to vote? It's their Vote and Fate!

Don’t forget Tipu Jayanti and illegal immigrants. Be lucky if you and your family doesn’t get dislodged from your houses by peaceful immigrants.

Requesting all Pro Hindus or Fellow Indians to go through History and not fall prey to these UBJP/RSS distorted stories.
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This 56 inch hypocrite fellow won't get even 200 in 2019. This is the practical situation all around india.

No Secular Ideology and you are not shutting down your shop. Republic India is built strong on the grounds of Secularism, You don't support it, Then you are not seeing a Steady India.

Speaking of which, I'm Not a supporter of Congress or Such with Fake Secularism.


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BC patil should be brought in For questioning along with Muralidhar rao and ramulu. A case should be booked. ... Aaa... and also Yeddy..




 
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Don't be, we are a system that works under the presumption of innocent until proven guilty

All those cases are pending, these people haven't been tried yet.

Think otherwise what would happen, if you wanted to stop any one from contesting just file a case for whatever pretext and you have effectively blocked them from standing for office.

That is the greater evil

certainly not.
the greatest evil is criminals sitting in legislation and dodging all prosecution.

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This 56 inch hypocrite fellow won't get even 200 in 2019. This is the practical situation all around india.

I disagreed with this.
He will return.
 
So, you will teach Kannadigas whom to vote and how to vote? It's their Vote and Fate!

Requesting all Pro Hindus or Fellow Indians to go through History and not fall prey to these UBJP/RSS distorted stories.

Don't bother. Its a rant from one of many stupid hate mongers in this country and personally, a person who has demonstrated that he can't even read and understand a few paragraphs of a document and would rather go by the propaganda spread by some unqualified politician is not a person who should be taken seriously at all. In fact, I personally don't even believe his credentials for a moment. Its not a question of ideology. I don't mind people taking sides and debating, but these sort of people just show their poor standard and defective thinking whenever they open their mouth. Their ilk are one of many diseases plaguing this nation. It is these sort of people who often rally to get the corrupt and the criminals into power as you can see him doing now.
 
Requesting all Pro Hindus or Fellow Indians to go through History and not fall prey to these UBJP/RSS distorted stories.
A victory for regional forces then.

One national party kicked out another reduced to playing second fiddle despite getting twice as many seats

In what world does the party that came third get to be CM

There is always an uneasy alliance between national and local, national will use local to the extent then discard when no longer useful. That won't happen this time as both are fighting for survival

This 56 inch hypocrite fellow won't get even 200 in 2019. This is the practical situation all around india.

No Secular Ideology and you are not shutting down your shop. Republic India is built strong on the grounds of Secularism, You don't support it, Then you are not seeing a Steady India.

Speaking of which, I'm Not a supporter of Congress or Such with Fake Secularism.
Is there any ideology left ? both sides would like you to believe there is but all i see is a fight for power

The seculars and market have won, that won't change regardless which party comes to office

Or is it too early to say that.
 
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Not convicted. Big difference

Just because they didn't get convicted doesn't mean they didn't commit a crime. Many crimes are openly visible to the people, but their perpetrators will never get convicted in a court of law because they will make the evidence disappear and hush up the witnesses. But that doesn't mean people are not aware.
For example, the crimes of YS Jagan or Gali Janardhan are openly visible.
 
Just because they didn't get convicted doesn't mean they didn't commit a crime. Many crimes are openly visible to the people, but their perpetrators will never get convicted in a court of law because they will make the evidence disappear and hush up the witnesses. But that doesn't mean people are not aware.
For example, the crimes of YS Jagan or Gali Janardhan are openly visible.
Until you convict them they are innocent. You are advocating labeling people as criminals without due process.

This is the case in authoritarian countries, lock up without charges filed or any trial

Current PM knows all about this having lived through it for over a decade
 
Why didn't it happen this time then ?
Its because congress ****ing took their MLAs cellphones and herded them like cattle thru bus when security at resort was removed and private jets were not allowed. Do you remember that or already forgot? I ****ing hate congress and BJP are making them look like saints.

and why should all this drama happen in the first place? didnt BJP not get half the required seats? oh yeah, they didn't. Neither congress nor BJP got mandate here.
 
Bjp did not herd their mla's ? And if cell phones were taken, how did reddy brothers manage to contact them offering 100 crs
Via telepathy or what
 
Its because congress ****ing took their MLAs cellphones and herded them like cattle thru bus when security at resort was removed and private jets were not allowed. Do you remember that or already forgot?
Is it really that simple ?

BJP failed to poach any because Congress locked them up so well

Let's say BJP did poach some, wouldn't they be automatically disqualified by the anti-defection law

So now you have a party that flouted the rules as well as an MLA that jumped ship. All open and transparent.

How will that sit with the public

Congress & JDS would have a much harder job of keeping their flock intact, BJP's job much easier. Yet it didn't happen

Not enough time or something else ?
 
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game?
as for entertainment?

and yes, every aware citizen knows, these netas are bringing misfortune to our country and embarrassment to countrymen.
it's not a game!
Not entertainment. This is a game of high stakes. Winner take all.

I was led to believe with all the money power, slick management, institutional capture some said that the BJP should have aced this and not gone out with a whimper

So what stopped them ? that is where the speculation come in
 
Until you convict them they are innocent. You are advocating labeling people as criminals without due process.

This is the case in authoritarian countries, lock up without charges filed or any trial

Current PM knows all about this having lived through it for over a decade

If a crime happens openly, but the court lets of the culprit out because evidence is made to disappear and witnesses are silenced, you will consider them to be innocent based on the verdict? Like in the Kathua Rape case which was suppressed and still doesn't have a very good chance of conviction? There is enough out in public knowledge to know that it happened, but not enough for the court to pronounce a guilty verdict.

If that really is the logic you want to go by, then there are no crimes committed by politicians of any party since they never get convicted. Once evidence and witnesses are made to disappear they should all be considered innocent. On the same lines, why do people call congress corrupt when there are no convictions in court?

Legal process does not determine whether a crime has been committed or not. It only determines whether there is any permissible evidence to return a guilty verdict and to dole out punishment. There will be numerous cases where you know directly that wrongdoing has occurred, but will never get acknowledged in a court of law. Just because a court didn't acknowledge it doesn't mean that crime didn't happen.
 
Political state map as of May 20 2018

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Who are the people that vote for Modi ? 18 - 30yrs who dream of jobs and a better life, all over the country
Probably it will be 18 - 23 because after 23 he\she will be more socially aware and realizes how bad bhagwan Modi is destroying this country and its economy.

I know you still believe in Modi.. that he will be a better PM. I don't blame you it's good if we all have someone to believe in. But can you tell me at least one good thing he did (DID not PROMISED) the past 4 years.

I can quickly list a few he has wrecked:
1. Implementing the stupidly planned demonetization set back the GDP growth rate by 2%.. which in turn translates to a loss of 3.3 Lakh Crores.
2. Unemployment is at an all time high
3. Inflation skyrocketing
4. Fuel prices are going berserk.The BJP-led government had raised excise duty nine times between November 2014 and January 2016. I am not sure how much it translates to Rs\liter but i think its between Rs.8 - 10 if not higher.
6. Subsidies are being taken away from common men.
7. Fraudsters are looting banks by millions.
8. For the first time supreme court judges are complaining about 'external Involvements' in the judiciary.
9. Add to that the religious extremism they are watering and nurturing.

And these are just a few..
 
Probably it will be 18 - 23 because after 23 he\she will be more socially aware and realizes how bad bhagwan Modi is destroying this country and its economy.

I know you still believe in Modi.. that he will be a better PM. I don't blame you it's good if we all have someone to believe in. But can you tell me at least one good thing he did (DID not PROMISED) the past 4 years.
Any aspirational class is going to vote for Modi. This means young people and we have lots of them.

Would you vote for a fragmented coalition or a party with a clear leader that commands the respect of those below. As a PM he reinvigorated the office of PM.

He needs two terms at least. Expecting miracles when the previous one was hobbled because one coalition partner or the other demanded their share for anything isn't something i want to go back to. This is the rub. he won't get 280 like last time, he'll also be part of a coalition. Still with him at the lead at the national level is better than without.

We are still a year out. Things could change. Manmohan was lucky, it wasn't until well into his second term that people figured he couldn't really do much. Modi won't be that lucky. Since he has a larger presence any failure anywhere will immediately be pinned on him. Already there is a whispering campaign going on but these elections did not bear them out.

I can quickly list a few he has wrecked:
1. Implementing the stupidly planned demonetization set back the GDP growth rate by 2%.. which in turn translates to a loss of 3.3 Lakh Crores.
2. Unemployment is at an all time high
3. Inflation skyrocketing
4. Fuel prices are going berserk.The BJP-led government had raised excise duty nine times between November 2014 and January 2016. I am not sure how much it translates to Rs\liter but i think its between Rs.8 - 10 if not higher.
6. Subsidies are being taken away from common men.
7. Fraudsters are looting banks by millions.
8. For the first time supreme court judges are complaining about 'external Involvements' in the judiciary.
9. Add to that the religious extremism they are watering and nurturing.

And these are just a few..
1. class warfare from a so called right wing party
2. jobless growth, attract investment to maintain the growth rate but doesn't translate into more jobs
3&4 have external inputs
5. there ain't one :D
6. as a taxpayer why would i complain
7. result of policies of the previous govt. i've mentioned these in another thread. Given the situation it wouldn't have matterd who was in office the result would be similar
8. this i've not followed too closely but i've got the impression there was judicial over reach. Why ? because the last executive was weak. Not so with this one. if the judiciary is cribbing then tough titty. There is supposed to be a balance of power between legislature, executive & judiciary. And i think we have that or are closer than previously
9. this was mentioned often back in 2014 but i didn't see much of a correlation. Coastal karnataka is communally sensitive. In the last twenty years. Was there any difference when BJP wasn't in power. No. The same story applies in other parts of the country. There are areas that are sensitive and no matter which govt is in office the best that can be done is manage. Some times it goes out of hand. The govt gets slammed no matter which so they do the least to avoid becoming a party to the conflict. You are getting bashed no matter what. Lose lose all the way for any govt

For all the hindutva the liberal press screams about we've had a soft version and even here i was listening to some one that writes for the organiser saying he's seen very little of this agenda to date. Watch out for the fear mongering.

I look at foreign relations more than domestic. How India interacts with other powers and he has been a breath of fresh air here. He's given people a lot of pride. I don't think of this country as a third world power but one that aspires to be a leading power. That is a pretty big turnaround just in perception. That plays into the aspirations of the middle class. And it gives PIO's abroad a serious high. There was a time when saying you were an Indian usually got you abuse. Not these days

The funny thing is its only the BJP that can pull this mind trick off, i recall similar with Vajpayee. Positive thinkers. Can do, art of the possible. Rajeev comes to mind as well, similar rush.

This is very heady stuff. I avoid cynics because for them nothing ever changes. Skeptics are fine but cynics are no hopers.

In 2014 people believed the next five years would be better. I don't think that number has come down much
 
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