Vacuum cleaner for home

The point here is simple.
The discussion started with vacuum cleaners in general and you turned this into Philips power pro vs the rest of the world thread.

On one hand, you say this and then you do the same.
Did I? The discussion did not start with vacuum cleaners. The discussion was about me and another on how PowerPro is and you both started saying one should go for pro or pay for cordless. Then without even knowing the product, assumptions from you that PowerPro is hard to clean corners and form the other guy that PowerPro will heat up and all started.
In fact, no one had anything against your choice of vaccum, everyone is sharing their point of views on vacuums in general and the available options.

You are the one making assumptions on reading spec on paper and contradicting references.
Throughout I maintained that this decision is taken after taking demo. Never did I rely on paper specs unlike you two, giving assumptions on this product category.
Even the so-called IF Design award, it's highly coveted for Philips Power Pro and the same is useless when awarded to other models.
Did I say that the award is useless for others? I pointed out lack fo service for Deerma and why one should pay double for these. Looks like you have started to twist my words.
Where there is no other valid point to discuss, all you do is take personal potshots :)
Did I take personal potshots on you. I remember you giving me cordless vacuum cleaner gyaan ( I think that was on Facebook ) and at that time as well, I gave you respect and told you that that is not my type. Then, you do the same here. Again, I told you many times that I will look into those when the models from better brands become mainstream. Even after giving so many reasons, if you think that I am taking personal potshots, I cannot help.
Neither do you know my use case, nor do you know my due diligence before buying the said product, but you have assumptions for everyone/every product in this thread?
In the context of burning money, I can point out the cost of the few purchases that you had mentioned in this thread, but what would be the difference if I too take pot shots.
What's dust to you is gold to me and vice versa.
Which is why I did not say that you made a bad purchase when you said you are using Dyson V11. Did I? You started irritating me with look at Dyson, look at Dyson though I said many times that it is not for everyone. So, I mentioned that you may have money to burn so it suits your need. If you feel that it is disrespect for you, I apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Just to set things straight, I have my fair share of vacuum cleaners ownership experience starting from a 1996 BPL-Sanyo dustbuster followed by several models from Eureka Forbes, Karcher, Black & Decker before ending up with Dyson V11. Not to mention the number of portable handheld vacuums from Bergmann, Black & Decker, Bissel that I stored away in between.
In this journey, I ended up taking a longer home demo of many products from Karcher/Eureka Forbes/Re-branded Bissel models from Eureka Forbes etc.
I have briefly used Roidmi F8 in the UK and in fact pre-ordered Roidmi X20 from Indiegogo when I moved back to India, which they cancelled citing custom issues, at which point I went with Dyson V11.

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Unlike the imaginary assumptions, I happened to have hands-on experience with different types of vacuum cleaners over several years, before making an observation from my practical experience.

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Not everyone is expected to purchase every available model and get to know it themselves.
I just happened to be someone with OCD and who upgraded the vacuums over years and settled down with something that ticked most of the boxes for my usage, like your Philips one ticked most of the boxes for your use case.

That doesn't mean either Dyson V11 or Philips power pro are the two best vacuums par excellence in the world of vacuum cleaners.

When you talk about so-called customer care/service etc, do you know how many times we had to reach out to customer care in almost 20 years of vacuum cleaners usage?
Once or twice and that too for procuring the filters and dust bags, this was way before online orders had become mainstream.
These are not cupboard warmers and all these machines were abused to the maximum to extract every ounce of suction left on the machines.

Our BPL Sanyo vacuum's age is close to 30 years.
Last I checked a couple of months back, it still turns on and it works, although it so loud to wake up people in the entire apartment.
But, hey it works and the machine has never seen any service centre/nor a replacement part needed.

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So how many real ownership experiences have you listened to before generalising a few negative reviews on online portals?

How many times do people leave feedback for online orders when they really liked the product? Probably a few instances.
How many times do people leave feedback when they had an issue? Almost every single time.

Happy to have meaningful conversations about vacuums in this thread, but I think it's pretty evident for everyone where these conversations are leading to.

Anyways let me end this conversation by saying the golden words.
Philips power pro is the best vacuum cleaner in the world and is the greatest choice of the century!

Again, you have been twisting this and acting as if I believe PowerPro to be the best. I for sure would not believe that PowerPro is the best. It is stupid to say that PowerPro is the best vacuum cleaner out there. Neither did I say that PowerPro is better than industrial grade cleaner. How many times did I say that if I have money to pay, I would gladly go with Dyson V11+robot cleaner combo. I think you should understand my PoV and stop jumping into conclusion. My stance has been the same from the beginning. For budget conscious buyers, compact cleaners are better suited than pro/industrial ones and cordless ones. These new models are able to match and even beat industrial grade ones (in suction power and cleaning power) and are compact enough to move around easily. Yes, some industrial grade cleaners last longer and are easier to repair but do average buyer really care about that? Some of them go and buy such cleaners and then they come back to Amazon complaining about lack of suction power and how they are not able to find a good service centre. My point: pro ones may be good but for ease of use and service reach, these compact cleaners from mainstream brands are preferred for obvious reasons. Also, go back and see my responses where I said that these compact cleaners are kind of middle ground for buyers till cordless cleaners get better and become mainstream. If this makes you think that I am calling PowerPro as the best one out there, again, my apologies for giving you this impression.
Do you even read what you are typing, you are so childish. Why on earth would I give you a guarantee, that's for the manufacturer to give. Even then people abuse the warranties like operating above its rated specs and procedures or having crappy power or being hit by a lightning.
If all things be equal pro products will without doubt last longer, only a fool will deny that. Even when they do need repairs, spares and support for them are much faster.


So top spec tank like M1A2 abrams can still be taken down with RPG or a kornet. A F22 or a F35 can still be taken down by the right adversary. These cost several times more then a basic off the shelf stuff from russia and china. So why do you think the US still invests in them, its because the odds of surviving or living to fight another day is more in these then cheap stuff.

Just like that as said plenty of times the Pro level stuff is built better, last longer, easier spares and support. They may lack the bling stuff but they get the Job done running almost daily.

I have not seen the power pro personally, I merely look at the design, motor specs air flow, I came to the conclusions that it would heat up fast. How I know this because I have seen a ton of vacuum cleaners in my lifetime, I still have my 1990 forbes vac. I have gone through several vacs, mostly because they stop selling spares, even have a 110v hoover vac(its runs slower in India using a 220v to 110v converter due to 50hz), thats some where in my tools room. I have tested and demoed some of the best vacuum cleaners out there, not relied on iF award or youtube/online reviews. I took a anemometer, clamp meter and a dB meter to all my demos. I only initially took a clamp meter but some demo people even had the setup ready with those other meters, hence I bought one for my self. So i have lot of practical data on this. Spending that much on a vac is not without through research.

But thanks to your post about the bosch amazon review, I saw the power clean pro amazon 1 star review, there are tons of report of motor burnt issues, do you see why.
So for that single 1 star review on the GAS-12-25 where the user is complaining it lacks a additional power socket feature of EU versions, you go around beating around the bush.
I have to give it to you. You have real talent to ignore bad reviews that mention product issues for products that you go ga-ga over.
Weren't you saying you are fine with replacing stuff every 3 years. So now you want to tell him he has lot of money to burn. He also appears to have used many corded machines. I know the merits of cordless, If I had a cordless Vac, I would use it majority of the time. He has used both and he knows the merits otherwise he wouldn't have spent that much on a cordless machine.
I said fine to but I also said that I have not replaced my not-so-pro applicances in 10 years. Reason, I do not waste money to flash 'pro' monicker. Non-pro appliance work pretty well for me, without any probglem for years and years. So, why should I buy pro ones that comes with higher price tag.
There is one solid reason for this. Put a photo in 'show off' section in forums across the globe, get some likes and feel pride feeling 'hey, look, I have this pro version for which I paid couple of time extra.'. After all, nothing satisfies more than fueling self ego. Believe this is why you are feeling so hurt. That a product that you do not approve is one of the best selling across the globe, that it costs so much less though it is from one of the best home appliances and consumer electronics brand.
Lol frost free, double door, front load are the most basic stuff, what world are you living in.
This is all that you have got? I am living in a world where I do not throw cash for 'pro' tag and I make my purchases that last long. This is where the burn is for you, isnt it? How is it possible that one who is spending so less on non-pro stuff is having reliable products at home. Somehow, you have this pseudo feeling that you are mighty at judging consumer electronics but then in the end, you are not able to digest the fact that my products are just as reliable.

Btw, want to know which phone do you use. I am very sure that you use one of those rugged phones that construction workers use. After all, they are made of industrial quality and can last really long. Anyways, I dont care. You jumped the gun when you blindly called compact cleaners as bad product and I am just toying with you. I know that you do not have the capability to look at this category without showing bias. I never thought that there will be anti-fanboys for compact cleaners till I found you.
 
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Did I? The discussion did not start with vacuum cleaners. The discussion was about me and another on how PowerPro is and you both started saying one should go for pro or pay for cordless. Then without even knowing the product, assumptions from you that PowerPro is hard to clean corners and form the other guy that PowerPro will heat up and all started.
This is exactly the reason why I kept saying that you have been connecting every point to PowerPro, getting defensive and not thinking in terms of the generic pros/cons of a product category.
Even the smallest of the vacuums with paltry suction power can easily clean corners with a crevice tool.

Robot Vacuums are ofcourse floor use only, but they reach nook and corners where neither corded/cordless vaccums could easily reach everyday. Say underneath the cots, underneath furniture, behind furniture etc.
You had completely missed the context in which I spoke about cleaning corners.
I said robot vacuums could easily reach corners, which would otherwise not be easily accessed unless you move the furniture/do acrobatics, like behind the entire length of an L shaped sofa or underneath a bed.

Even when I said the convenience of cordless vacuums on overhead cleaning, do you think I have not experienced this in all these years while using corded vacuums?
I have done all sorts of acrobatics, keeping the base unit on step ladders to increase the reach and several other desi jugaad.
I'm sure, several years down the line, you'd understand what I was referring to once you've experienced the shortfalls.


In terms of vacuums getting hot and eventually the thermal switch kicking in, this is a thing of the past.
This is especially true with canister vacuum with bags or old cloth filter vacuums.
The minute they get clogged, it takes just a few mins of usage for the thermal switch to kick in.
I really doubt if any current day multi-cyclonic vacuums would ever hit the thermal limit on a household usage unless one never really cleans the filters.

Having a great motor with monstrous suction is not a pro in daily usage, it's the sustained suction from start to end that really matters in household usage.
This was high end exclusive in the past, which is slowly becoming mainstream.


I don't know what is your aversion towards the mention of the brand Dyson, but they solved so many practical issues faced on old-gen vacuums with ingenious implementations.
Dyson is not V11 alone, they have a varied portfolio from V7 to V11 in India (Upcoming V15).
You really have to experience Dyson to appreciate it, which I can bet is nothing compared to a store demo.
Many of these features eventually became mainstream and are slowly becoming industry standard.
The reason why I suggested a home demo is to understand the difference in efficiency compared to conventional vacuums.
In a day to day usage, where you can actually gauge when both machines are used in the same environment with the same usage scenarios. For e.g. my very own corded vacuums can't hold a candle to the cheapest Dyson when it comes to upholstery cleaning, their motorised upholstery brushes are that effective.
I'm pretty sure anyone who took a home demo of Dyson would agree with my statement.

Does that mean everyone should stop buying other vacuums and save up for a Dyson? No.
But for those who are hanging in between, then it's a no brainer.
It's like the broadband analogy, where the appreciation level varies.
Those who moved from yesteryear broadband to highspeed internet wouldn't have the same level of appreciation as those who moved from paltry daily up speeds.


P.S: You and I go way back to TDF days and not many are active anymore.
My intention was always to have a healthy discussion, why I would want to pick on old friends :)
 
Did I? The discussion did not start with vacuum cleaners. The discussion was about me and another on how PowerPro is and you both started saying one should go for pro or pay for cordless. Then without even knowing the product, assumptions from you that PowerPro is hard to clean corners and form the other guy that PowerPro will heat up and all started.
The discussion was never about you, you made the discussion about yourself. Three members here said that no one is pissing on your purchase but you are blind to see that.
If another member asks about the product, everyone has their right to their opinion here in this forum.

I have to give it to you. You have real talent to ignore bad reviews that mention product issues for products that you go ga-ga over.
So there a grand total of two, 2 star reviews and one,1 star review. One complains it looks old school as if that is Bosch or anyone fault. People do have eyes and youtube videos to see if they don't like how the aesthetics are. The other review said the blower is weak, in every vacuum cleaner the blower will be weak because the air has to go through filter. If you want a blower even a Rs1000 blower will blow away every vacuum out there for blowing function. Since a blower will have the least air flow resistance, but conversly will also have poor suction if you attach a nozzle to suction hole.
Third review says some times it doesn't sit fine, when you close it. My 20k flashlight battery cap doesn't close well on occasions. I sometimes fail to close the car door correctly requiring me to open and close it again. I some times fail to close the cooker lid. So somehow all of this is the companies fault.

Non-pro appliance work pretty well for me, without any probglem for years and years. So, why should I buy pro ones that comes with higher price tag.
I too have many regular appliances that worked for decades, but for some applications a pro level one would be better, due to countless times as said by me and others. I am not going to keep repeating the reasons.


There is one solid reason for this. Put a photo in 'show off' section in forums across the globe, get some likes and feel pride feeling 'hey, look, I have this pro version for which I paid couple of time extra.'. After all, nothing satisfies more than fueling self ego. Believe this is why you are feeling so hurt. That a product that you do not approve is one of the best selling across the globe, that it costs so much less though it is from one of the best home appliances and consumer electronics brand.
I have never have posted in show off section, the only time I did was, when I reminded other Sony alpha users about the free lens on registration. Contrary to my feelings you are the only one who is whining here. I couldn't care less if a product is sold by the millions. All I mentioned was the cons of such a design, as evidenced by the sheer number of negative review on the motor going kaput.

This is all that you have got? I am living in a world where I do not throw cash for 'pro' tag and I make my purchases that last long. This is where the burn is for you, isnt it? How is it possible that one who is spending so less on non-pro stuff is having reliable products at home. Somehow, you have this pseudo feeling that you are mighty at judging consumer electronics but then in the end, you are not able to digest the fact that my products are just as reliable.
I am delighted that some consumer stuff last a decade. Some don't. Certain things like fridges typically last a decade easily without any issues. Stuff life washing machines which have lot of physical stresses involved usually requires parts replacements and it all depends on several factors on the usage/load/rpm, power supply conditions in ones area etc.

Manufactures can well make a consumer product to last as long or improve the design for serviceability but they don't. For people who want these two options and better support, a pro level machines are good option if you can afford them.

Btw, want to know which phone do you use. I am very sure that you use one of those rugged phones that construction workers use. After all, they are made of industrial quality and can last really long. Anyways, I dont care. You jumped the gun when you blindly called compact cleaners as bad product and I am just toying with you. I know that you do not have the capability to look at this category without showing bias. I never thought that there will be anti-fanboys for compact cleaners till I found you.
I use regular phones, recently got a G8x here is my phone history https://techenclave.com/threads/is-oneplus-chinese.192981/#post-2206623

Sorry but I never said compact cleaners are a bad product. I said the cons of a product with low air flow, why a wet machine which doesn't need the bag change even after several years, even if you don't use the wet function.

You are free to assume what you want, but merely if some one points the cons of a product you take offense.

I think most of post here are just repeating the same thing. So lets just agree to disagree.
 
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zomg !! 3 pages of discussion and .... im unable to extraxt the information to take a decesion!

Sad news- in this tough time of lockdown when maid is on leave.
my samsung canister type died yesterday (got it free with some samsumg applicance decades back), it served me well.. carpert cleaning to blowing dust of from electic component. the electic guy said it cant be repaird (not worth the time and money).

Don't want to put lot of money (preferablly under 10k), what you guys recommend @adder @sriharsha_m @desiibond @rdst_1
Is this one fine - https://www.amazon.in/dp/B072NCN9M4 ? - seems new type .. or go back to canister ?
 
zomg !! 3 pages of discussion and .... im unable to extraxt the information to take a decesion!

Sad news- in this tough time of lockdown when maid is on leave.
my samsung canister type died yesterday (got it free with some samsumg applicance decades back), it served me well.. carpert cleaning to blowing dust of from electic component. the electic guy said it cant be repaird (not worth the time and money).

Don't want to put lot of money (preferablly under 10k), what you guys recommend @adder @sriharsha_m @desiibond @rdst_1
Is this one fine - https://www.amazon.in/dp/B072NCN9M4 ? - seems new type .. or go back to canister ?
That ami one is good. Do note that it has a high power motor and needs 15A socket. You will need long extension cord and something like this to cover the house. Connect the extension to 15A socket and your cleaner to the extension box. Do not use thin cable. This is a 45metre 14 gauge cable.
 

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That ami one is good. Do note that it has a high power motor and needs 15A socket. You will need long extension cord and something like this to cover the house. Connect the extension to 15A socket and your cleaner to the extension box. Do not use thin cable. This is a 45metre 14 gauge cable.
thanks for quick reply. most of the socket in my home in 10A, except in kitchen for appliances such as oven.
The previous one i had was 10A and was compatible everywhere.

Suggestion ?
(not mandatory that i had to go with that cleaner only, im yet to make an opinion)
 
zomg !! 3 pages of discussion and .... im unable to extraxt the information to take a decesion!

Sad news- in this tough time of lockdown when maid is on leave.
my samsung canister type died yesterday (got it free with some samsumg applicance decades back), it served me well.. carpert cleaning to blowing dust of from electic component. the electic guy said it cant be repaird (not worth the time and money).

Don't want to put lot of money (preferablly under 10k), what you guys recommend @adder @sriharsha_m @desiibond @rdst_1
Is this one fine - https://www.amazon.in/dp/B072NCN9M4 ? - seems new type .. or go back to canister ?
What is your regular use case or intended usage?
  • Floor vs carpet cleaning.
  • Upholstery/furnishing cleaning.
  • Deep cleaning/light everyday usage.
  • Blower function?
 
What is your regular use case or intended usage?
  • Floor vs carpet cleaning.
  • Upholstery/furnishing cleaning.
  • Deep cleaning/light everyday usage.
  • Blower function?
top most requirement is for carpet and sofa, etc, followed by generic everyday use.
i know deep cleaning equipment may not be expected in this price range.

i was using my previous cleaners' blower function to occasionally de-dust electric equipment. if needed i can get a separate blower.
 
how does these robo vaccums work....any good or just show off
Personally using Xiaomi Vacuum Mop-p for past 3-4 months.

Its nice and cleans very well but I need to remove/organize everything on floor everytime it runs including doormats, slippers, cables etc. It collects a lot of dust too so need to empty the dustbin almost everytime.. but can't complain much.. and it makes you even more lazy.

Its mopping feature though reasonably good, needs some extra prep so I just stick to Vacuuming.
 
I have a Philips power pro VC similar to the OP.
Runs hot as hell within 10-15 mins of usage.
So much that the back cover was deformed the first time i used it for more than 15 mins. Destroyed the Hepa filter as well.
Also the latch keeps coming off. There certainly is an issue in the latching design of the back cover
Also the hepa filter and its housing have a bad design - its just an interference fit between the hepa filter and its housing- no positive locking mechanism and hence keeps pushing the back cover out.(Most of the Amazon reviews point to the above issues as well)
The thermal management is more of a mismanagement with constricted air flows which leads to low rate of heat dissipation and the motor heating up soon on continuous runs.
The service center people advised me to run it not more than 10 mins continuously and then let it cool for 10 mins.

Coming to the performance - suction power is extremely good (no doubts here as its a 1900W model).
attachments are practical and can be used daily.
Not too heavy and your hands wont be fatigued.
Cord has a healthy range.
Service center response is quick ( at least in Bangalore).

This can be a great VFM vacuum cleaner once they sort out the engineering(locking mechanisms) and thermal issues.
 
top most requirement is for carpet and sofa, etc, followed by generic everyday use.
i know deep cleaning equipment may not be expected in this price range.

i was using my previous cleaners' blower function to occasionally de-dust electric equipment. if needed i can get a separate blower.
True, it's indeed difficult to find good upholstery vacuums below 10k.
Standard brushes can only pick up surface dust, irrespective of strong suction.
A roller brush is needed to agitate the deeply embedded dust on upholstery.
Guys how is Kent Zoom cordless? Amazon has good deal on it with ICICI credit card & lighting deal, its coming to about 6.1k.
Almost a carbon copy of Dyson V7 visually.
Probably a rebranded Chinese Dyson clone.

For 6k, I think there is nothing much to complain about here.
One's getting a cordless canister vacuum with a motorised floor brush.
But the advertised suction power of 130AW is unrealistic, that's the Dyson V11 level of suction.
 
@sriharsha_m Is 19k good price for Roidmi F8 storm?. I am looking a vacuum for cleaning tile floor and sofa
Yeah, it's worth the price, but you may take a look at Dyson V7 Animal as well.
It was on sale for 20k on Flipkart and with the card offer, it comes down to the same 19K I guess.

When Roidmi announced pre-orders in India last year, F8 came with both soft roller and hard roller brush.
Later they reduced the price, removed the soft roller and made it an accessory >> https://www.roidmiindia.com/product-page/soft-roller-brush
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Even V7 Animal doesn't come with a soft roller, you need to purchase it separately >> https://www.dyson.in/v7-soft-roller-cleaner-head
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The hard roller is mainly for carpets, but it does a rather good job on hard floors as well.
But to truly experience the perfect dust pick up on hard floors, you need the soft rollers.

For upholstery, both V7 Animal/ Roidmi F8 come with a motorised upholstery brush, which does a great job of agitating and picking up the dust on a sofa.

Another difference between them is the canister size which is smaller in F8, so might require more emptying than V7.
Owing to this F8 is lighter than V7, So it's both a pro and con depending on the way you see it.

Both Roidmi and Dyson offer a home demo, but not sure how that works out in the current covid situation.
You can try them out before you purchase if you are unsure of what to expect.

I really wish Roidmi gets its full portfolio to India.
F8 is like a 4-year-old model now, their X20 and X30 are really VFM cordless vacuums.

Their latest X20s if it comes to India would be a hit for sure.

 
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Thanks for the detailed reply.

I didn't know Dyson v7 was available around 20k. will definitely check it out.

Yes I am also planning to buy the soft roller along with vacuum.

You can try them out before you purchase if you are unsure of what to expect.
Watched a few videos, got a overall idea on product. May be once the cases start to reduce will go to nearby reliance store to check if they have one.


I really wish Roidmi gets its full portfolio to India.
Yes their products seem cool. But I think they are building their brand presence as of now and will bring products slowly. Hope brands like Shark also come to India
 
Thanks for the detailed reply.

I didn't know Dyson v7 was available around 20k. will definitely check it out.

Watched a few videos, got a overall idea on product. May be once the cases start to reduce will go to nearby reliance store to check if they have one.

Dyson sells two V7 variants in India, V7 animal and V7 Trigger. Trigger is just a V7 animal without the wand/floor brush, intended to be used like a handheld vacuum. Trigger is officially sold for 20k, but I'd suggest V7 animal over this.

Vacuum wars is a really good channel with detailed and unbiased reviews. Infact this very video had bumped up my confidence on Roidmi back then.

Harkin India used to deal in Shark vacuums a while back. Don't know why they stopped distributing them, infact they are the ones dealing with Deerma now.

Bissel has some good models and infact many of them are rebadged and sold in India by Eureka Forbes.

Best example is the Euroclean mop & vac, which is nothing but a rebadged Bissel Crosswave.




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This is what I was referring to
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Dyson sells two V7 variants in India, V7 animal and V7 Trigger. Trigger is just a V7 animal without the wand/floor brush, intended to be used like a handheld vacuum. Trigger is officially sold for 20k, but I'd suggest V7 animal over this.

Vacuum wars is a really good channel with detailed and unbiased reviews. Infact this very video had bumped up my confidence on Roidmi back then.

Harkin India used to deal in Shark vacuums a while back. Don't know why they stopped distributing them, infact they are the ones dealing with Deerma now.

Bissel has some good models and infact many of them are rebadged and sold in India by Eureka Forbes.

Best example is the Euroclean mop & vac, which is nothing but a rebadged Bissel Crosswave.




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This is what I was referring to
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