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Very thumb-rule like, indirect taxes were averaging around 15% before and now they're almost 20%. I would appreciate if someone could get more accurate data.

Fuel prices are a whole different ball game on another level altogether. They've bled the country dry, emptied each and every common man's wallets, and still don't have money to run the country. And somehow congress is the cancer and we're just holding it wrong, this actually is acche din good times...
 
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I used to think the same but as of now Congress seems to be the lesser evil.


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The list goes on and on.

Recently took a look at LPG/petrol/cooking oil prices?

Democracy is never about the best form of governance...its just the least worst.

We live in a democracy, so would not agree with you, but I would certainly respect your opinion on who is the lesser evil according to you. GDP, we all know has shrinked in congress times and BJP's times too but was there a pandemic back then? We have seen what congress did in emergency, what they did in 84, and then to appease what they did in 84, they appointed MMS.

Let's talk abt petrol/diesel prices 01-03-2002 26.54 Rs, and in 2014 71.51 Rs, (delhi) - Google as source , so gap 44.97 - . Now, let's continue from 2014 till today, 92.85(today) , so gap 21.34. Not talking abt inflation, this is pretty good. Please check the gas price in 2012 (I think don't remember), it was above 1k under UPA
 
Very thumb-rule like, indirect taxes were averaging around 15% before and now they're almost 20%. I would appreciate if someone could get more accurate data.

Fuel prices are a whole different ball game on another level altogether. They've bled the country dry, emptied each and every common man's wallets, and still don't have money to run the country. And somehow congress is the cancer and we're just holding it wrong, this actually is acche din...
can we have a mature debate where slangs like aache din are not used, I mean I have many I can use (from congress/others), but that wont be a civilized debate now would it?
 
I was about to write don't bother with GDP growth because he will blame it on the pandemic but he beat me to it lol
can we have a mature debate where slangs like aache din are not used, I mean I have many I can use (from congress/others), but that wont be a civilized debate now would it?
My bad, let me correct that. Oh and there is no chance in hell of a 'mature debate' because the nonsense logic you are trying to shovel cannot be debated. it's that exceptional. you win.
 
We live in a democracy, so would not agree with you, but I would certainly respect your opinion on who is the lesser evil according to you. GDP, we all know has shrinked in congress times and BJP's times too but was there a pandemic back then? We have seen what congress did in emergency, what they did in 84, and then to appease what they did in 84, they appointed MMS.

Let's talk abt petrol/diesel prices 01-03-2002 26.54 Rs, and in 2014 71.51 Rs, (delhi) - Google as source , so gap 44.97 - . Now, let's continue from 2014 till today, 92.85(today) , so gap 21.34. Not talking abt inflation, this is pretty good. Please check the gas price in 2012 (I think don't remember), it was above 1k under UPA
Furthermore the GDP data I shared is upto 2019 only. I am not even taking economic damage due to COVID into consideration.
In G20 I guess our economy has been hit the hardest.

Nah mate you are not taking the international crude price into consideration so this doesn't hold up.

Crude price graph

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Petrol price graph

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We have seen what congress did in emergency, what they did in 84
Exactly my point. Back then Indira was India and see what happened. Never put that kind of power in the hands of a single person. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
I was about to write don't bother with GDP growth because he will blame it on the pandemic but he beat me to it lol

My bad, let me correct that. Oh and there is no chance in hell of a 'mature debate' because the nonsense logic you are trying to shovel cannot be debated. it's that exceptional. you win.

If there can't be mature debate, we can part ways here. Good knowing you. I can't talk to people who are so high on puff made taken and shoved on a person's throat by opposition that he can't manage to do mature/civilized debate.
 
Furthermore the GDP data I shared is upto 2019 only. I am not even taking economic damage due to COVID into consideration.
In G20 I guess our economy has been hit the hardest.

Nah mate you are not taking the international crude price into consideration so this doesn't hold up.

Crude price graph

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Exactly my point. Back then Indira was India and see what happened. Never put that kind of power in the hands of a single person. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I wouldn't really say that. Indira regardless her administration made us win a war which we flaunt like crazy in front of pakistan and whole world. The key here is, no Govt is perfect and we need to understand here. Crude prices is something Indian's don't care/know. We are getting into nit-picking here. The major thing here is that revenue will be spent on the country alone. The revenue used anywhere and everywhere can be accessed by a simple RTI. Apart from congress's failure, have to compliment congress to pass the RTI bill. Quite handy, however I guess they didn't think of the abuse of RTI (I see few people whole day doing RTI's just to prove their point against BJP and it's just talk, nothing comes out of it concrete). May be a limit for RTI's a month (50? o something) as many times RTI is done by a single person only.
I don't give a shit about the opposition. Or what they say. Or what the media says.

I care what the current regime is actually, currently doing to my wallet. And my peace of mind.

This ^^ said by every loser I ever met opposing Modi and and saying "I don't care/vote for opposition". Please rather than using filthy language on me, I would say use that anger on elections and choose your representative in a democratic manner, it's a power given to us by the constitution, make the use of it. :)
 
Thanks a lot for the tool kit explanation. I was thinking something way more sinister.
It's just a false document!!
The entire WhatsApp University is filled up with thousands of toolkits. Pretty much everything comes from Sambit Patra is lie. Everything from 56 incher is lie or useless/ another propaganda. These are not "tools" making these statements on daily basis?
Marcus is on fire with the graphs!!
 
Thanks a lot for the tool kit explanation. I was thinking something way more sinister.
It's just a false document!!
The entire WhatsApp University is filled up with thousands of toolkits. Pretty much everything comes from Sambit Patra is lie. Everything from 56 incher is lie or useless/ another propaganda. These are not "tools" making these statements on daily basis?

Whatsapp is filled with modi hate propoganda aswell, pretty much anything that comes from congress is a lie too. The 56 inch jab, is basically modi hate and not constructive debate, so I won't get into it by calling other party leaders with names and jabs as there won't be much difference here b/w u and me then.

As I see it, it's not a false document, but can be inclined to say it's genuine coz those things which toolkit mentions have already happened in real life with international media and trends to set the narrative. However, it can't be called false/fake without evidence/proof.
As for Delhi police investigating this issue do we really think they are gonna do any real work?

After all they are busy arresting people who are putting up posters for Christ's sake.

Forgot to answer this bit.

Well that depends if you have faith in the system. If you are against the center then you have already lost faith in the system. So I really can't do much here in order to restore that faith as your mind might already be made up and nothing I say will change that stance.

Yes, they are busy arresting people who put up posters, but remember, they arrested doesn't mean the whole delhi police dept. (which consists of 84k people as per google) is all doing the poster arresting. What you said, isn't even making sense even if I didn't support BJP. May be 10 police personnel went arrested or may be 20, or 50, max 100. What about 83.9k policemen doing? all are arresting? Pls make some sense in th argument. Another thing, whoever did that, is wrong. I am against any posters whatsoever in general in any wall/cities/public places. No political parties should be allowed to put any posters and this should be criminalized. Regardless which political party does the stunt(bjp/aap/inc). There should be no posters whatsoever. Let our city/town/state be clean ffs from all these BS posters.
 
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It's high time that we shud look for alternate politicians , this bjp vs congress cannot go on , they both are cancer they have proven it . On one side is massive corruption on other side are false promises and image management ..
Sometimes I think mamta can be next pm . However I sometimes get vibes like mamta is just modi wearing saree ... I wish kejri can be another pm candidate
 
It's high time that we shud look for alternate politicians , this bjp vs congress cannot go on , they both are cancer they have proven it . On one side is massive corruption on other side are false promises and image management ..
Sometimes I think mamta can be next pm . However I sometimes get vibes like mamta is just modi wearing saree ... I wish kejri can be another pm candidate
Massive corruption? Not even a single charge was proved against dr mms or his cabinet.
 
I wish kejri can be another pm candidate

There are rumors about Kejri being a CIA agent. In 2012, congress BJP/RSS was behind the protest of anna hazarre which obviously was false given the current hostility we see b/w Modi and Kejri, so no way they colluded. So now, once congress understood this and the massive domestic media's support for anna hazarre movement and international media (likes of democrats mainstream media) also supported it, WHY???? Congress got the understanding why it got international support, coz US wanted to plant him as upcoming politician which can be their future asset. You might think it's the RW conspiracy on Kejriwal but it's actually congress's allegations on Kejriwal.

Sources :
1. https://www.hindustantimes.com/punj...cong-to-aap/story-B9Ns6k4dNzyxcGRmXCoY1J.html
2. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...rinder-singh-sikh-chhotepur-337574-2016-08-27
3. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/features/kejriwal-a-cia-agent-says-chandumajra-357896
4. https://www.hindustantimes.com/delh...rsh-vardhan/story-Y3nwitkmZGxTx2EJ0Gd6bJ.html

Even Ashwini Upadhyay, AAP's legal cell convenor called him a CIA agent : https://www.firstpost.com/politics/aap-leader-calls-arvind-kejriwal-a-liar-a-cia-agent-1426007.html

If true, it would be like handing over the country to a US's puppet and doing the work which is in US's interest and doing US' bidding in India. I thought we already got freedom in 47 lol.

There are many numerous reasons for kejriwal one of being women are not safe in kejriwal's party Source : , and kejriwal has lied countless times in press, for ex he stated that he built 8 bridges/highways etc, but a RTI revealed that he didn't built any, completely 0. Source : https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...19-pandemic/articleshow/82277980.cms?from=mdr

Also, another RTI : https://newsroompost.com/india/no-n...s-kejriwal-govts-failed-promises/1414117.html
 
As I see it, it's not a false document, but can be inclined to say it's genuine coz those things which toolkit mentions have already happened in real life with international media and trends to set the narrative. However, it can't be called false/fake without evidence/proof.

Actually it is the other way around. In justice systems all over the world including India, the system is 'innocent until proven guilty'. So if someone brings charges on someone else they have to prove that the accused is guilty. So if BJP, through Sambit Patra are accusing the Congress party of something, then they have to prove the genuineness of their claim by providing proof for that. And if they can, then they should go ahead and even charge the Congress Party for criminal behaviour which led to the deaths of so many people.
But you and I both know that that is never gonna happen and neither is BJP also gonna be held accountable for their actions, even if Congress gets voted for in the next elections. No real justice ever happens and both parties just like to fling accusations at each other and keep the general populace occupied with that.

As for the post you made about petrol prices above, mate, even you know that is not how comparisons work. Marcus has explained the folly of your statement regarding that in the subsequent post, but you decided to side-step that and not talk about it. But one thing which neither of you touched upon is the indirect consequences of such high fuel prices and that is that every single commodity becomes more expensive due to rise in fuel prices. Already refined oil prices have increased so much and that affects far more people than just car users. I wouldn't have had a problem with BJP increasing those prices if they had never themselves protested about that in the past. That shows blatant hypocrisy and something I can't easily forgive and forget.
 
When india voted for congressin 2004, did it vote for any particular PM candidate? No. A consensus will come . You don't ask what's the alternative to corona or cancer. Your aim is to eradicate it. Congress is nota cadre based party. So will trust collective wisdom over individualistic.
Raga and or are rallying points.

Don't say india voted for congress in 2004 lol. Congress didn't win majority in 2004. Look at the popular vote in 2004, 1.39 cr for congress and 1.28 cr for BJP. The difference was hardly 10 Lakhs. So let's not talk about a laughable elections of 2004 where congress licked everyone's boot to form a coalition govt.

Congress is nothing but a certain community appeasement party and does fearmongering in the same community when voted out of power being in the opposition (they are not even an opposition officially, as don't have 10% of seats in parliament).

Also, congress fought the election in 2014 without revealing who will be PM candidate but we all knew who willl be the PM candidate didn't we? Congress doesn't have a Face simple as that and your "not a cadre based party" argument will go out of water once they do have a face in future, they surely will milk it how much ever they want. They did that with indira gandhi and used the "sympathy" when she was assassinated to get power again.

Massive corruption? Not even a single charge was proved against dr mms or his cabinet.
Same can be said for Modi. However in UPA era, scandals came out in open. Many and many and most of them were not allegations from BJP(opposition) at the time. They happened in the market.

But in modi's era, all scandals/scams are basically just "talk" and "allegations" from the oppositions, for ex-rafale deal.
 
Yeah I have heard those rumors too that kejri is a CIA agent , I have also heard rumors that kodi is a Pakistani agent. He wants to divide india into hindu muslman which can fulfil the dream of Pakistan to divide india . Abhi proof chahiye to 9 baje koi bhi news channel dekh lena..
Proper bjp dialogue diya bhai tune , Hindu khatre m hai types..
Baaki bhai women safety kaazak mat Bana for taking side of people who leave their wives and not even give them divorce
 
So if someone brings charges on someone else they have to prove that the accused is guilty. So if BJP, through Sambit Patra are accusing the Congress party of something, then they have to prove the genuineness of their claim by providing proof for that.

Exactly my point. Legal case and FIR has been done by congress accusing sambit patra and not sambit patra put fir/case against congress here, hence by your words, congress has to prove their claim here.

As for the post you made about petrol prices above, mate, even you know that is not how comparisons work. Marcus has explained the folly of your statement regarding that in the subsequent post, but you decided to side-step that and not talk about it. But one thing which neither of you touched upon is the indirect consequences of such high fuel prices and that is that every single commodity becomes more expensive due to rise in fuel prices. Already refined oil prices have increased so much and that affects far more people than just car users. I wouldn't have had a problem with BJP increasing those prices if they had never themselves protested about that in the past. That shows blatant hypocrisy and something I can't easily forgive and forget.

Completely agreed, and I take my point back and thankyou for having good type of debate here where we both are meeting half way rather than some amateurs here who take politics are emotions and with whatsapp university get's more angry bcoz of hate for a single man.

Anyways, coming to this topic for petrol, exactly, I remember BJP protested every damn day when congress increased fuel price. So yes, I am in support for that. I have said it in the past btw if you chk my post history of 3 months ago, but anyways, I will show it here https://techenclave.com/threads/india-petrol-and-diesel-discussion-thread.171443/post-2249876 , so yeah, I am in support of this. Congress needs to go full throttle on this as this really is a genuine issue, problem is they wanna just come to a protest started by some farm leaders, click selfies and then go back to their AC offices and Left think they are MK Gandhi's shadow. So, yeah, start the protest, even I'll join lol, can congress do it?? This petrol price increased with revenue generated by GOI is going to welfare schemes Modi is sponsoring. So it helps the poor, but it does put alot of burden in the middle class. I see the moral ground here to support the BJP but to give you the benefit of the doubt and meet you half way here, sure, let's start the protest, as I said 3 months ago, does congress have the bawls to do it? You tell me.
Yeah I have heard those rumors too that kejri is a CIA agent , I have also heard rumors that kodi is a Pakistani agent. He wants to divide india into hindu muslman which can fulfil the dream of Pakistan to divide india . Abhi proof chahiye to 9 baje koi bhi news channel dekh lena..
Proper bjp dialogue diya bhai tune , Hindu khatre m hai types..
Baaki bhai women safety kaazak mat Bana for taking side of people who leave their wives and not even give them divorce

Pak agent? Pak is shitting in their pants today coz of Modi. They wanted to start the import even though they were the one's who stopped it. They(pak govt) wanted media to start the narrative of pak-india friendship (source: ) to get the import started lol. Anyways, I rather provide source then blow up smock up my a... and not talk like you up the air.

Modi's wife hasn't b**ched abt it, and rather is supportive, but you are like that 3rd wheel who is BS'ing his way out of this, but seriously? raga has rape accusations on him. Atleast with modi we don't have to worry abt that.

"Hindu khate mein hai"? Reading alot of Left media wire, quint, ndtv are we? You might wanna draw attention to this https://indianexpress.com/article/c...h-2-booked-for-wasting-vaccine-covid-7338863/ which will blow up for a communal narrative soon. Why did Ms Khan did this? alot of hate for a political party? Islam/muslim khatre mein hai? Minorities ko bhaga ke hindu rastr bnana hai?? I mean come on, speak some sense. I would rather talk in a civilized manner than having this nonsense debate with the likes of you.
 
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Let guj govt give permission to prosecute vanzara and ors, let it release sanjiv bhatt and pradip sharma from jail, then courts can find modi guilty.
Did upa stop the justice from working ? Cases were tried and verdicts given .
Whereas against modi and shah, judges killed, witnesses killed, judges bought, sit chief bought qnd clean chit given.
That's the difference.
When esan jafri cried for help, what was modi's comments, are you aware?
 
Let guj govt give permission to prosecute vanzara and ors, let it release sanjiv bhatt and pradip sharma from jail, then courts can find modi guilty.
Did upa stop the justice from working ? Cases were tried and verdicts given .
Whereas against modi and shah, judges killed, witnesses killed, judges bought, sit chief bought qnd clean chit given.
That's the difference.
When esan jafri cried for help, what was modi's comments, are you aware?

Let this let that, let's not do whataboutery here.

Cases were tried and verdicts given a clean chit to modi by SC. Whatever else is just air. CBI's chief even claimed they are clean and resign for the witch hunt started by congress.

Bought judges? put a case na dude? whose stopping you? If a case was there, they be in jail. whatever else you see is said by an opposition by themselves and you are just narrating me a copy/paste.

Congress started emergency, put all opposition in jail, and civil liberties cancelled. The press was censored. Several other human rights violations were reported from the time, including a mass forced sterilization. So spare me the "difference" BS. In BJP's rule with vajpayee and now Modi, we haven't seen that BS yet so here's your reality check "difference".
 
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