Israel Hezbollah Pager Attack.

solo_wing said:
Sometimes I wish Israel would have done same to Pakistan's nuclear plans...they almost were ready to hig Pakistanis but America didn't wanted India to have an major edge over Pakistan and stopped.
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It's not about edge but solidarity. Take yourself back to 1979. What happened? Russians enter Afghanistan. Americans rely on Pakistan to aid the Mujahideen.

After operation Opera. The Americans were furious. They were not informed and again see the situation. Iran iraq war began. US is opposed to Iran. So enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Reagan delayed delivery of F16s that were due to Israel by nearly two years.

So India would have to defy the US in this instance. In the 80s India wasn't weak. We had a currency swap agreement with the Soviets for oil right throughout that decade.

We had the capability by the time the Mirages arrived.

Yet we didn't go ahead. I wonder what pressure the US could bring to bear here given Indira was no pushover and with the likes of General Sundarji around there was no lack of guts to go around either. He simultaneously threatened both Pakistan & China with conflict by his operations on both fronts.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
...acquisition of new powerful Russian TU 160M bomber by India may put all Chinese cities in…
Each launcher can store 6 Raduga Kh-55SM/101/101/555 cruise missiles or 12 AS-16 Kickback short-range nuclear missiles.
www.india.com

Big trouble for China as acquisition of new powerful Russian bomber by India may put all Chinese cities in...

Each launcher can store 6 Raduga Kh-55SM/101/101/555 cruise missiles or 12 AS-16 Kickback short-range nuclear missiles.
www.india.com www.india.com

Ehm...
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Not sure hows the stealth capabilities.

The surface to air missiles have gone way ahead in terms of detecting enemy planes and strike it.

India does not have issues with the world so long Range bombers not sure it is meant for us...atleast for next 2-3 decades when we start playing bigger role.

Hamare issue is only with two countries...a terrorism export factory and another is virus spreading country.

I think nuclear submarine are best for us.
Just quietly launch missiles from anywhere.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
...acquisition of new powerful Russian TU 160M bomber by India may put all Chinese cities in…
Each launcher can store 6 Raduga Kh-55SM/101/101/555 cruise missiles or 12 AS-16 Kickback short-range nuclear missiles.
www.india.com

Big trouble for China as acquisition of new powerful Russian bomber by India may put all Chinese cities in...

Each launcher can store 6 Raduga Kh-55SM/101/101/555 cruise missiles or 12 AS-16 Kickback short-range nuclear missiles.
www.india.com www.india.com

Ehm...
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This article doesn't explain why we need them other than Russia maybe offering Black Friday deal?


Historically we've never needed them.

So what changed?
 
blr_p said:
Historically we've never needed them.
So what changed?
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Discount sale from Russia during difficult times, may be ? Otherwise, they were tough nuts to negotiate with, this is our chance to be tough nuts :)
Heard there were enticing discussions ongoing about SU-75 too, which is much more interesting.

Strategically TU 160M may not be that important for India, but to have few as 'weird flex' won't be bad ;)
 
TEUser2K1 said:
Discount sale from Russia, may be ?
Heard there were enticing discussions ongoing about SU-75 too, which is much more interesting.

Strategically TU 160M may not be that important for India, but to have few as 'weird flex' won't be bad ;)
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Any deal India does there is very high possible and almost 100% that some or few Indians is going to make big money behind the scene.

The discount that Russians will offer will not have any benefit in any saving for tax payers.

Plus that aside there is lot in maintenance expenses too for something we may never use.

I like your idea to have few of these but looking at the state of poor infrastructure and all. We really should focus on only things really needed.

This kind of luxury neither can India generally afford or deserve it atleast for now.

The Rafale/ 4-5th gen deals are majboori. We are very low on squadron count.

Whereas Chinese are rapidly increasing their fire power in sea,land and air.

Land mein toh we can deal with them.but Air and Navy needs lot of catcing up.
 
solo_wing said:
The Rafale/ 4-5th gen deals are majboori. We are very low on squadron count.
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SU-75 also may be interesting since its latest technology with lower cost.
All you mentioned is very very correct. In real world we are struggling to build proper basic infra for public, all the while paying extravagant taxes without any benefits to show off.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
SU-75 also may be interesting since its latest technology with lower cost.
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I have not read much on SU-75.
It does seems superb on paper but Russian supplies are questionable at time
Beside this war who knows how long it will continue.

France is a very reliable partner for India.
But this whole Rafale deal was badly mismanaged otherwise we were getting great deal.

The delayed it so much that cost went 2-3 times to what France was offering( ofcourse we kept adding requirements but even that means we were not ready when we were negotiating).... On top trying to giving Anil Ambani company license to make it...uske company ne kabhi Airplane ka tyre bhi nahi banaya. They were going to ask him to make fighter jets.

I hope I don't sound wrong but if truth to be told..this country is full of scam every corner and nook.
Every sector even something as imp. As defence has been highly corrupted.
 
www.ndtv.com

In A First, Ukraine Hits Russia With Long-Range American Missile After Biden's Approval

Ukrainian defence forces reportedly carried out their first strike in the border regions within Russian territory using Western-supplied ATACMS ballistic missiles.
www.ndtv.com www.ndtv.com

Just when I thought Russia-Ukraine war will end...Biden wants to get Word War 3 started before going.

Not sure how further this might get escalated but read Sweden and Finland have started telling its people to stock up on water and foods and incase of nuclear how to keep safe.

Russia on the other hand has started putting nuclear safety house thing and ordered nuclear weapons to be ready.
 
solo_wing said:
Not sure how further this might get escalated
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At the most, they will (should) use miniature nuclear devices like a shell, etc. if aggravated, to show that they can do it.
Seems there are lot of doomsday talk ongoing in social media these days, like end time apocalypse situation, etc. As if they are conditioning people to accept tragedy and suffering when no reason for the same exist.
Remove these nihilistic maniacs and world will be a better place. Don't know what Trump have in store, though nothing much is expected other than some quick rash decisions which will be kept on challenged in courts.
 
6pack said:
Even Putin knows using nuclear weapons means end of his rule.
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At the moment, general notion is that Putin's rule is Russia's turning point in history, at least within Russia.
Or Putin thinks all this is in Russia's interest. Isn't that why west is trying to spend their budget pennies to destabilize RU and together with that their future challenger EU ?
So, if either Putin or Russia's long-term interest is weakened, one can expect to see repercussions.
People in position with brain aneurysm sitting continents apart knowing they are safe, smelling of coffin perfume, have nothing to lose. The generations later will have to hold the bag for generations more to come out of these kind of miseries.
 
Putin can hit government buildings in Kiev or Lyiv, the latter has no russian speaking population, mostly nazi sympathizers.

If a russian bomber or a large ballistic missile can carry the FOAB he might use it. Use the Belarus airspace and a bomber to launch it.

Next escalation ladder he will use tactical nukes at air bases closer to poland, where most of nato advisors/operators work inside ukraine.

Currently the damage by ATCAMS missile is minimal. As the distance between the target and launch site increases, Russian S400 crews have more time to engage it.

Putin can also now justify to get Kharkov, remember Russians pulled back from the outskirts of Kharkov and Kyiv, when a peace agreement was about to be signed (torpedoed by Boris Johnson). Putin spokesperson said that that longer the range of the missiles ukraine get, further will be the buffer zone at the expense of ukraine territory. Kharkov has lot of russian speaking people.
 
solo_wing said:
I hope I don't sound wrong but if truth to be told..this country is full of scam every corner and nook.
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Defense deals are complicated, very time consuming and usually end up costing more than expected.

If you think the Rafale deal was bad then you should study the circus the Australians went through to finally end up with Aukus
 
adder said:
US embassy in kiev expects a massive air campaign today by Russia and has closed it's embassy. It also asked embassy staff to take shelter.
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Yes.
Read it earlier.

Both side are trying to gain as much as possible before Biden goes so that they can negotiate from position of strength when Trump Baba comes.
blr_p said:
Defense deals are complicated, very time consuming and usually end up costing more than expected.
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Yes they are complicated and Indian Defence Ministry's negotiation skills have always been immature.

Remember Admiral Gorskhov. It was signed for some $950million and when delivered it had crossed $2 billion on top the delays.
The ministry was so ashamed of the deal that they tried to block RTI details on it.

The Australians are paying $365billion for nuke subs. It is by no means a small amount but they sure seemed to have got themselves a great deal.
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
Oof... That's some huge amount...!
Hope AU find some credible use for those machines.
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True.
When I heard about it..I kept rechecking few times.

They are getting 9 nuke submarines if I am correct.
Each of these things cost way too much.

It's almost 35 billion for each.

Australia's only concern is rising China otherwise they are in very safe position ..no border..no territorial disputes etc and phir bhi why they want to spend so much is something I am not fully understanding.


Plus buying these is just one thing...maintaining them is crazy amount too.
 
solo_wing said:
Plus buying these is just one thing...maintaining them is crazy amount too.
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How is it a great deal then?

What was embarrassing was the public fallout with the French. Australians didn't care.

It was an absolute farce. I've never seen anything like this with any deals India made. I was very happy when it happened because you can use it to shut up any Indian critics. We're way better than at least Australia are.
solo_wing said:
Yes they are complicated and Indian Defence Ministry's negotiation skills have always been immature.
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Who says they're immature?
solo_wing said:
Remember Admiral Gorskhov. It was signed for some $950million and when delivered it had crossed $2 billion on top the delays.
The ministry was so ashamed of the deal that they tried to block RTI details on it.
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That was Russia's fault. At what point did it become our fault?
 
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