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So basically top 4 explanation is "The richer a country is XYZ.....The US is just rich."
We are not ready for any conversation at all. Because that involves understanding there is a problem and trying to resolve it but we like to put blame on each other so that will never happen.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
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Americans spend more time living with diseases than rest of world, study shows

American Medical Association finds people in US are sick for an average of 12.4 years, an increase from figure in 2000
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There is a desperate need for recognition that capitalism is the best solution for healthcare and most other things, but only if regulators and governments don't get captured by corporate lobbyists. Also that solution to problems isn't always about throwing more government money at it. It will probably take things to get worse before the recognition solidifies and leads to changes though.

Until then, it is likely that simple but misleading narratives will keep ruling the direction of healthcare.
 

In 1959 the Marxist scholar Eric Hobsbawm introduced the concept of “social banditry” into the historical and sociological lexicon. Social bandits were sometimes fictional, sometimes real figures who operated outside of the law and were widely revered for their efforts to mete out justice in an unjust world — like Robin Hood, the legendary English outlaw who lived in Sherwood Forest and, with his band of Merry Men, “stole from the rich and gave to the poor.”

Hobsbawm’s theory, which historians continue to debate, rested on a fairly specific Marxian analysis of power and economic relationships in agrarian societies, with bandits (or the idea of bandits) providing a form of resistance in the face of rampant inequality. But such characters transcended different geographies and times, ranging from the fictional Robin Hood in 14th century England, to brutally violent, real-life outlaws like Jesse James and Billy the Kid in the post-Civil War era United States, to Pancho Villa in early 20th century Mexico.
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As Hobsbawm proffered, when people lose faith in the state’s ability to address their concerns and grievances, they sometimes look to outlaws who offer themselves as an alternative
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Closest example I can think of in an Indian context is Phoolan Devi

Or the 20% MPs (avg) in parliament with serious charges against them
 
TEUser2K1 said:
www.theguardian.com

Americans spend more time living with diseases than rest of world, study shows

American Medical Association finds people in US are sick for an average of 12.4 years, an increase from figure in 2000
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It's true with every country which doesn't have universal healthcare. India is a better example of it than the US. The real India, which is not Mumbai-Bangalore, is afraid of healthcare. It's common to let family members die by not giving them adequate healthcare on time. In the countryside, people are an expandable commodity.

Next time, ask your carpenter, plumber, watchman etc who hail from a remote village from Rajasthan, mp, up, Bihar where were they delivered? hospital or home?
 
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lockhrt999 said:
It's true with every country which doesn't have universal healthcare. India is a better example of it than the US. The real India, which is not Mumbai-Bangalore, is afraid of healthcare. It's common to let family members die by not giving them adequate healthcare on time. In the countryside, people are an expandable commodity.

Next time, ask your carpenter, plumber, watchman etc who hail from a remote village from Rajasthan, mp, up, Bihar where were they delivered? hospital or home?
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Good Healthcare, education, nutritious food, clean water/air etc should really be considered absolute basic needs and be provided in cost effective way.

I have read that multiple countries such as japan/Singapore do have good quality cost effective solutions. Nordic countries have i think whats called social capitalism with high quality govt services, paid via high taxes, and people are happy to pay high taxes in return from what i read.
So its possible, atleast should be something to aim for and adapted instead of horrible US style of work.
I find insurance system for health care disgusting, filled with uncertainties ( we will only know when the time comes) and incentivizes the wrong thing in name of profit maximization for most parties involved in it.

Who funds it? Obviously everyone and rich and super rich pay the most. Tax rate is already somewhat high in India, but loopholes are there too. Capital gains is a convenient loophole left for the rich with very forgiving taxation ( I have benefited from it too and will in future, but its still wrong and richest benefit the most from this by far - ask Buffet who himself criticized it ). Agricultural income in India too among other things. From what i read, our investment in healthcare vs gdp is pretty abysmal.

This is the ideal, but India is pretty corrupt everywhere, so god help us. Instead of actual development we got a cult leader.
 
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Next time, ask your carpenter, plumber, watchman etc who hail from a remote village from Rajasthan, mp, up, Bihar where were they delivered? hospital or home?
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With my mother's family, it was 'home delivery' for all her siblings. There were no hospitals nearby in those days but she had me at the hospital.

Let's face it, this was the norm for 99%+ of the time we've been on this planet.
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This is the ideal, but India is pretty corrupt everywhere, so god help us. Instead of actual development we got a cult leader.
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Compare India with the US :D

See the gap with Singapore.

23k is sample size and the year is 2024

Confirms what I intuitively felt was the reality
 

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Let's face it, this was the norm for 99%+ of the time we've been on this planet.
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You are right. But so was 10-20% child mortality / stillbirth rate. Human babies are weirdly shaped. Regardless of that, my point was, if people didn't take medical care for childbirth, they certainly won't take it when they catch a pneumonia.
 
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You are right. But so was 10-20% child mortality / stillbirth rate. Human babies are weirdly shaped.
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Still get miscarriages these days
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Regardless of that, my point was, if people didn't take medical care for childbirth, they certainly won't take it when they catch a pneumonia.
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Cousin of mine contracted pneumonia when he was in the hospital for something else. Took well over a week to recover.
 
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