@Sobirvs hey man don't get offended pls... but you're very wrong and I mean you're way off from zone. Let clear few thing... and pardon me I don't quite figure out how multi quote is working so...
EVERYTHING WILL ONLY MAKE SENSE TO YOU IF YOU CONSIDER
- Adani is a public ltd company, not a govt, not a nation. FULL STOP
1. contract can be awarded to anyone who goes for proper bidding process.
My view- Most of the govt. bidding already get finalized (behind door) even before actual/legal bidding started.
2.You think you targeting your own Indian company will make any dent to Adani? The dent will go to the citizen's invested in the company and the citizen's employed in the company. Yes I do see it as a target Indians being one of a citizen here and you don't speak for me and countless others.
My view- It's not about our own Indian company, the question is about a company who get allegations on using all kind of mal practice in the system and taking advantage of current bjp govt. Never underestimate Public sentiment, you can refer to share market trend for refernce.
3.The infra adani makes is not for himself but for the countrymen
My view- SERIOUSLY BRO...
Honestly I think you know already but politics makes you throw your own concesnes under the bus just coz you believe adani (alleged involved in malpractice pvt. company) = bjp (alleged provided backdor to their electrol funding partners) =India (a sovereign nation)
Alright finally someone who wants to talk.
Adani is a pub. ltd company correct, however, yes they do tons for the nation and so do MSME's. Anyone who do attack regardless outsiders or citizen's, I have full right to defend, but my first instinct is never to defend but to read what the accusations are and anyone doing this to startup's/MSME's/billionaire's I will defend, specially when it's company from a space who takes short's position. The report was made in last 1 month? They announced 2 years back, are you aware of it? MSME's/traders/wealth generators makes a nation, including the state however state changes and so does nature of state.
1. Behind door? so make a solution for it, do you have it? Taking tender's from PSU's, I do have experience of this, and yes, it does happen. But not having solution and attacking just coz you don't like an ideology and a political party is you yourself are putting your nation down.
2. Do check what I said, quite irrelevant what you said and the allegations come all the time so? Go to courts, are you promoting media trial and if that is the case, let's adopt Taliban's style of justice, why not?
3. Again, understand what happens when businesses get's attacked is the sole reason why WB is where it is today or Punjab.
First of all .. not acceptable. We can have a meaningful discussion without resorting to aggression, tagging etc. If not, I'll rather happy to not engage in conversation with you.
If you can't handle argument, read Internet 101. It's not for you. You are here to debate, then debate. OP opened a thread where he clearly said it doesn't have to be ideological fight for ruling party but where has anyone made a point without mentioning the ruling party? I actually kept seeing the debate that someone will talk some sense, but most of it was circle jerking as usual for one thing - BJP bad.
Defending anyone is fine, there are no problems with that considering its a free country.
The problem is that not a single post in the defense goes beyond rhetoric.
Its almost universally a toxic mix of ad-hominem attacks on the entity that raised the question, or worse, an extreme generalization of said attack on the West as a whole.
Hell, even the CFO of said org compared this report to the Jalianwala bagh tragedy (seriously?)
Some go beyond that and make a complete anti-national strawman of anyone who even so much as attempts to think otherwise.
Every single defense post I have seen here or elsewhere falls in one or more of the above categories and I am genuinely hoping that someone proves me wrong by showing me a valid counter :|
You nailed it man
Never thought I'd see people defending literal billionaires on the internet. Straight fight between Elon Twitter Stans vs. Adani Desi Fans.
Never thought liberals would be against FOS/E or I guess they were always like that? They love only that speech they love. Hypocrisy of liberals is widely known in the country from quite a while now. Wtf, how can someone defend billionaires, let us attack them!!!
raised the question, or worse, an extreme generalization of said attack on the West as a whole.
Hell, even the CFO of said org compared this report to the Jalianwala bagh tragedy (seriously?)
Some go beyond that and make a complete anti-national strawman of anyone who even so much as attempts to think otherwise.
Every single defense post I have seen here or elsewhere falls in one or more of the above categories and I am genuinely hoping that someone proves me wrong by showing me a valid counter :|
what's the problem here though?? whoever gave the orders for jallianwala bagh, who fired though? weren't those Indians? is truth really this bad that you can't digest it?
Yes, we all should voice our opinions, ask questions whenever need arise. Why should one keep mum and accept wrong doings ?? As I mentioned, If Adani's case is also proven to have wrong doings it will be at such a big scale that it cannot happen without the knowledge of higher ups in govt. Fair enough. Then do we have info on which govt official(s) / bureaucrat(s) are named in chargesheet ? How many of them got suspended and are facing enquiry ? If yes, then it will be a good action. If not then what I mentioned holds good.
Here's the problem with this statement right, you have already accepted adani has done wrong doings without any credibility. Why do we have courts in the country? So, till you can prove what you think, that keeping mum applies to nobody, and do please research on actions taken on officials and the contractor for Morbi and let's talk.
Also what are your thoughts on
Just one point here, if we are so sure of transparency, what happened to electoral bonds - Isn't transparency required there as well? What about changes in stand for pm cares - from govt to pvt to out of RTI etc .
Transparency on what? If the case is you want to know the donors, then it will apply on all political parties and there's a reason we don't have transparency who votes which political party in electoral process, so if one wants to know the donors and the amount, it won't happen as it will involve alot of violence if it happens and any small business MSME or big corp won't be able to survive regardless which political party will be in power. Tomorrow the info comes out that someone is funding AAP/Congress/TMC and let's say in a BJP MLA/MP constituency, they would love to strong arm the business or donor to direct funds to their party and if not, violence will happen and vice-versa to other parties aswell. So think what you are asking for as transparency will be for all parties not just BJP and for all donors.
Patriotism is like a religion. Runs high in this forum.
All I see is people have made being anti national their religion here on this forum. I don't have a problem with that as long as counters from all sides are allowed including yours. What a time we live in where a conservative inclined has to tell to allow FOS/e from all sides.
Its always hilarious to see a 'nobody' defending a billionaire/celebrity/politician/corporate as if they care for you or need you.
Stupidity has no limit.
I don't think Pappu is a nobody. He is our youth leader. Stop attacking our youth leader.
I don't recollect seeing any business of Adani that is technically advanced enough to command the PE ratios that suddenly swung up post Jan 2021.
Can someone here who is a "Supporter" of Adani group explain the changes in business warranting the change in market valuation?
Also to the shills advocating that Adani is doing stuff for the country - please refer my question above - what business is Adani is that is so technologicaly advanced that only Adani can pull it off? Infra projects?
LMAO!!!
You mean if Adani is not there then there is no other company in India that could implement the project???
are you saying some other company if implements the project, they won't be attacked??
and is your criteria of a company doing good for the country only if they have contributed to Tech?? and not leverage the tech? by that logic, MSME's are contributing nothing to the nation? what kind of fundamentalism is this where traders are seen not supporting or contributing to the nation?? btw Tesla did contribute to tech advancement and space and they get attacked, do you see your nonsense question here?
Simping for corpos is like Cringe Pro Max Ultra Plus
attacking the corpos coz your political leaders say so is equally cringe. Atleast the political leaders I follow don't tell me to defend the corpos unlike in ur case where it's clear where your orders are coming from.
I don't think they are directly defending or simping for Adani etc. It is based on political affiliation.
If tomorrow any of these rich men accuse the same politicians, imagine how these defenders will react.
It has already happened. Have you seen the same rich men accusing some politicians, how the supporters react?? They defend their political masters.
and I hope you know who defend A Raja in the country and who support him and who are allying with the party he associates with.
and I am loving the intellectualism coming from forum members whoa are replying with memes. The education really paid off.
what a redundant statement!
whatever software microsoft makes is not for themselves but for the whole world..
whatever phone apple makes is for the entire world ..
whatever oxygen linde india makes is for the countrymen
whatever cars tata makes is for the countrymen
i can go on and on - whats your point?
all of the above including adani is making money - but the fact that someone is making/ getting the opp to make, buy and do so much infra while pumping up stocks [ manipulation, fudged holdings ] is the focus point
to your statements :
adani is not running a non profit or, as we like to label it, doing social service or country service !!
coming to geopolitics or the lack of it, if adani didnt make infra, L&T would, other firms would. no way the work would stop or disappear
there is a hint of governmental, governing body collusion because these facts have been called out multiple times within the country and there are investigations ongoing which are dragging along. there are also some watered down fines and penalties imposed on multiple members of adani group
so this whole attack and big hawua is all because of a "hint"?? and if penalties are being imposed, and prev SEBI has taken action on adani group about a year back if you remember, then saying Govt is colluding here would end up being a Lie.
and your post indicates somehow that making money while serving the nation is somehow bad??
I never said someone else can't do the work, but why would you want to limit someone for bidding process though?? And wealth generators are helping in geopolitics with srilanka, US, Israel, Myanmar, ME and african countries. If you see a wrong doing, we have courts where elite judges sit who come from within 300 families from last 70 years. Feel free to reach those masters aswell.
This topic was actually quite important but can't really blame the mods here. I see at other forums and they are having a very civilised and highly technical discussion going on this very topic. For some reason, those guys don't feel like their family was insulted by Hindenburg report. How weird is that?
