CPU/Mobo AMD PileDriver Discussion thread

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From what I can see in Piledriver, I hope AMD doesn't even release Piledriver, it's still beaten by Llano's old K10 cores. Can't even win comfortable when the clock speeds are 1.7Ghz for Llano and 2.3Ghz for Trinity.

Shame
 
But they've finally got power consumption under control.
AMD isn't trying to compete against Intel now. They're trying to make a product that isn't atrocious. If they can get power consumption down, make Piledriver 10-20% faster than Bulldozer, and increase clock speeds, they'll have a product they can sell.
 
AMD Seems to have returned to sparring on the age old computer performance myth, higher clocks. It seems AMD has acquired a "resonant-clock mesh" technology which will allow it to ramp up the clocks all the way upto ~4.00 GHz [what Intel tried to do in the final days of NetBurst], whilst keeping the TDP in check.

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With the release of Trinity and slight improvement in performance with a not-so-large leap in the overall TDP of the APU, seems AMD is doing some serious fire-fighting to right the skewed market share charts. Hope they get it right this time.
 
I think AMD should work on to make a proccy that will kick Intel's a$$ straight out.
Sheer raw performance without APU (since very few would actually use it).
 
^^Steamroller will be the next big change in AMD Cpus , with complete new redesign of bulldozer. Featuring DDR4, PCie 3.0 and probably built on using 14nm/20nm? technology with FinFet 3d transistor stacking technique.
 
flash23 said:
Sheer raw performance without APU (since very few would actually use it).
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Actually the APU arm of AMD is more viable keeping the future in view, this is why --
  • as media keeps shifting more portable scenarios, tablets and notebooks will be the main driver of sales with the desktop market getting sidelined for enthusiasts and developers.
  • in smaller devices the integrated SoC components like APU mean -- lesser power consumption with fewer components and thus, more efficient products.
  • APU's are a real threat to Intel, quite simply because Intel HD graphics = hopeless. Atleast with an APU equipped device you can play games at reasonable settings with ower consumption in check. The 4-core / module CPU from AMD may not be redefining performance but, it is not a slouch and can do pull some heavy loads.
  • Intel's mainstream Core lineup is now more an more focussed on efficiency vis-á-vis raw performance, in fact the Sandy-Bridge / Ivy-Bridge chips can give Sandy-BridgeE chips a run for their money in most day-to-day tasks and gaming [whilst consuming lesser power].
  • AMD tag line since its acquiring of ATi in 2006 has been --> "The future is Fusion" and the company is trying to deliver and winning accolades. Brazos mauls ATOM. Trinity will slaughter Intel ultrathin's in performance and price factors [considering Trinity laptops can be just as thin and still do a lot of 3D related tasks, thanks to a better IGP-on-die].

Dark Star said:
and probably built on using 14nm/20nm? technology with FinFet 3d transistor stacking technique.
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This itself means we are not going to see Steamroller any time soon, wait till 2014. Intel has a huge lead on AMD simply because it has the capital to maintain its own foundries, whilst AMD is dependent on Global Foundries. Who are by the way tied into projects with nVidia, ARM chip manufacturers, so if they delay the die, it begins a cascade of delays on other projects.

Also Intel is ahead of the entire competition on the 14nm fabrication process by atleast a years lead.
 
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I know AMD real strength is their APU, but I'm saying AMD should make a cpu for the enthusiast just like Intel does by getting the likes of 990x and 3960k.
Also AMD has no real offering in the high end segment, no doubt their future products in mainstream will give Intel a run for their money.


ALPHA17 said:
Actually the APU arm of AMD is more viable keeping the future in view, this is why --
  • Intel's mainstream Core lineup is now more an more focussed on efficiency vis-á-vis raw performance,
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Whats up with the part that I have highlighted, seen quite a few random text around?
 
flash23 said:
I know AMD real strength is their APU, but I'm saying AMD should make a cpu for the enthusiast just like Intel does by getting the likes of 990x and 3960k.

Whats up with the part that I have highlighted, seen quite a few random text around?
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It is not AMD's strength they are trying to capitalize on their acquisition of ATi. The fact is making high-end chips doesn't rake in huge profits, simply because no one is going to buy über-expensive components in large enough numbers, the majority people will buy the mid-range because it is affordable and gets the job done also if it happens to be more efficient it is "two birds in one stone".

I am using Alt-codes to create special characters, these must be BROKEN during the transition from IP Board.
 
^^I am giving trinity a pass since I am already on 32nm chip (llano + not in the mood of desktop upgrades anymore) + the ARM/APU integration makes more sense at 28nm.

There will be dramatic power/tdp lowering from 28nm onwards -

The current zacate comes in 18W for 2core , 9W for 2 lower power core. With 28nm there will be a turnaround as the higher 2core version will come at 12W and low power version will come at 5W (same as tablet version Hondo) at 28nm AMD will be releasing tablet chip with <2w power envelope.

There will be 4core options with kabini coming at 17W and 25W for ultrathins. I am thinking of holding a bit and buying the 28nm brazos successor with ARM trustzone security module.
 
I'm on a tri-core AMD with a DDR2 based motherboard right now. My next upgrade's going to be a new DDR3 motherboard (which'll hopefully allow me to unlock the 4th core)+RAM and then an 8 core Piledriver CPU.
As long as it's not a power hog and decently priced, I don't care if it's not a top performer. It'll give me a significant performance boost from my current set-up, without breaking the bank. But I'll wait till Piledrivers out before I upgrade my current motherboard. If AMD breaks socket compatibility, I'll probably go for a better performing, less power hungry Intel CPU.
 
ch@ts said:
I'm on a tri-core AMD with a DDR2 based motherboard right now. My next upgrade's going to be a new DDR3 motherboard (which'll hopefully allow me to unlock the 4th core)+RAM and then an 8 core Piledriver CPU.
As long as it's not a power hog and decently priced, I don't care if it's not a top performer. It'll give me a significant performance boost from my current set-up, without breaking the bank. But I'll wait till Piledrivers out before I upgrade my current motherboard. If AMD breaks socket compatibility, I'll probably go for a better performing, less power hungry Intel CPU.
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There won't be socket incompatibility on the desktop "cpu" side, only issues come with APU, trinity breaks the socket and so will Kaveri. Since there are major changes in the overall specs of the APU they need to change the socket.

The only change will come at or after steamroller when AMD will embrace DDr4 with 20nm/FinFEt transistors on the desktop Cpu front.
 
" Hmmmm " is the only comment I can say for amds .. They might surprise this time bulldozer was beautiful crap ever .. They might need bulldozer to clean up piledriver :D
 
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