CPU/Mobo AMD PileDriver Discussion thread

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ALPHA17 said:
I feel it is going to be too late, too little.

Till then Intel's budget Core i series processors will be out and AMD will be hard-pressed to find a market for these. Not to forget that this will be a 4 -->6 month window before Intel releases Haswell and further miniaturises its lineup and fills them with **** knows what iGP's.
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Yes it will be late a tad too late. Llano was launched in July/ August time and sold well, however the same can't be said about trinity even though its a better chip than llano.

I still doubt t the capabilities of newer management, Meyer got AMD back from dead and yet they kicked book, dono how good the new staff will do considering the previous earning preview ane plummeting share price.

One thing is for sure they will have a new CPU architecture after steamroller./ excavator! I am hoping for kabini to stand up to the expectation and deliver a solid 11-13" ultraportable APU with handful of performance increase over Brazos, as for trinity I'm not buying it not I'm interested in Brazos 2.0 will wait for 28nm brethren with arm security.

There are even rumors about trinity 2.0 ( q1 2013)
 
Ok so overall piledriver seems like a enhanced BD now my question is if they are going to wait and release Trinity and Piledriver together? Since Trinity has piledrive cores it all seems a long wait for AMD hell i can buy a laptop based on Trinity now then why not a desktop??
 
with the release of the next gen consoles and games the current, (supposedly) capable igp's of Intel and Amd proccys will again become the worthless steaming piece of shit they always were(remember the gma series?couldn't even run hot wheels for christ sakes).to enable Igp's to be able to even play the next gen games would require serious on die space,and i guess quantum tunneling effects would come down like a b**ch.the current HD 4000 doesn't even slow down the neighbors kid,it can't play crysis 2 on the lowest settings on 720P!! the problem with BD and PD is their lack of FPU's,each module shares one.why couldn't amd just have bundled 2 with each module??they are already pricing BD a (little) competitively,i wouldn't have mined another 1K.
 
sudhanshu123 said:
with the release of the next gen consoles and games the current, (supposedly) capable igp's of Intel and Amd proccys will again become the worthless steaming piece of shit they always were(remember the gma series?couldn't even run hot wheels for christ sakes).to enable Igp's to be able to even play the next gen games would require serious on die space,and i guess quantum tunneling effects would come down like a b**ch.the current HD 4000 doesn't even slow down the neighbors kid,it can't play crysis 2 on the lowest settings on 720P!! the problem with BD and PD is their lack of FPU's,each module shares one.why couldn't amd just have bundled 2 with each module??they are already pricing BD a (little) competitively,i wouldn't have mined another 1K.
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Adding an FPU to the processor would have made the module essentially a full-fledged core. Also unlike Intel which has a stranglehold on the market and thus an R&D budget the size of AMD yearly business (if not more).

And when are these 'next generation consoles' coming; it has been rumoured that the next XBox is being powered by an APU type processor so I will not be too worried.

AMD APU iGP's are still powerful enough to be used as standalone solutions in laptops and the APU delivers respectable CPU performance to keep the machine rolling. Not to mention AMD APU based machines have beaten Intel Core i3's / i5's in the battery benches too.
 
ALPHA17 said:
Adding an FPU to the processor would have made the module essentially a full-fledged core. Also unlike Intel which has a stranglehold on the market and thus an R&D budget the size of AMD yearly business (if not more).

And when are these 'next generation consoles' coming; it has been rumoured that the next XBox is being powered by an APU type processor so I will not be too worried.

AMD APU iGP's are still powerful enough to be used as standalone solutions in laptops and the APU delivers respectable CPU performance to keep the machine rolling. Not to mention AMD APU based machines have beaten Intel Core i3's / i5's in the battery benches too.
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well considering that the current xbox pulls visuals present in games like GoW3 with a triple cored hyperthreaded proccy with a meagre Gpu by current standards(add other ram thingies here,yeah edram too), i would wager the next one even with the APU(but i really dnt see d point,is it for hybrid crossfire,or if not then wat is the advantage?) and a decent gpu would blow the likes of gtx 680 with ease(consider uc3,it simply is astounding as i am sure you would agree).this could be said of the PS3 too,although it's proccy saves it's day.I seriously dunno how devs accomplish this,since simply "optimisation" really couldn't be all of the secret sauce.and yeah,i wanted full cores from amd(for their own good) but amd giveth and amd taketh away.
i am just saying that even after 7 years of the current gen consoles launch,igp's still suck.(so APU's really shouldn't be hailed,like some do).they are alright for HTPC's i will give them that,but trinity is a major disappointment for me(such a meagre gain in igp performance,it should have been an advantage of the APU but they are just squandering it's potential).
 
sudhanshu123 said:
well considering that the current xbox pulls visuals present in games like GoW3 with a triple cored hyperthreaded proccy with a meagre Gpu by current standards(add other ram thingies here,yeah edram too), i would wager the next one even with the APU(but i really dnt see d point,is it for hybrid crossfire,or if not then wat is the advantage?) and a decent gpu would blow the likes of gtx 680 with ease(consider uc3,it simply is astounding as i am sure you would agree).this could be said of the PS3 too,although it's proccy saves it's day.I seriously dunno how devs accomplish this,since simply "optimisation" really couldn't be all of the secret sauce.and yeah,i wanted full cores from amd(for their own good) but amd giveth and amd taketh away.
i am just saying that even after 7 years of the current gen consoles launch,igp's still suck.(so APU's really shouldn't be hailed,like some do).they are alright for HTPC's i will give them that,but trinity is a major disappointment for me(such a meagre gain in igp performance,it should have been an advantage of the APU but they are just squandering it's potential).
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Firstly I would request that you please learn a little bit of punctuation and formatting in your posts. They are a head-ache to look at and a migraine to go through.

Next, yes optimization is pretty much the big trick. Why do you think that gaming is still restricted to dual-cores OR at tops quad-cores for superlative performance. Why is it so single-thread IPC-heavy? Why cannot AMD processors with more cores and higher clocks hold its own against a hyper-thread dual-core processor.

You are a serious delusional, I am playing with an AMD Phenom quad-core + HD5770 on a 1600 x900 resolution with high-settings and most games run well, yep some games murder my PC but SKYRIM, BattleField 3 and CoD: MW 3 the big three games from last year perform pretty well on 'high' settings here, why because they were on consoles and had to be optimized to do so. Cannot say the same for The Witcher 2 which was a PC exclusive later ported to the XBox 360, the game runs at an average of ~40 fps. Why so because it was built ground up with current generation PC's in mind (still though cannot use a quad-core fully).

iGP's have and will perform poorly because if APU's become the king-of-the-hill no one will spend ~$250 on a mid-range graphics card to run his games, he will simply get the magic pill.

So read up before raising a stink.

Also about Bulldozer AMD is in the right after their initial head-start at the dual-core derby they had not changed the core micro-architecture from the K8 design, uptil Thuban you were seeing iterations of the K8 being re-thrown at a rapidly retooled Intel adversary which has over-time since the Conroe days built up enough momentum to change its micro-architecture on a yearly basis (R&D budget); so this change in architecture was a necessary evil. I would like to see AMD to return to its glory days but for that they will need to start making overall profits not just profits from their graphics division (formerly ATi graphics).
 
I read the review of Trinity at TR, and I agree with the editor. The processors just don't have any place in the market, as the IGP though leagues ahead of Intel, would still struggle at full HD resolution of most games.

What I really repent is buying the G620 for a second build at home, the processor is severely castrated, and I was better off buying the i3 for a little more. AMD just dosent come in the picture anywhere due to the high power consumptions. The A5800K consumers more power then Intel's eight core monster at load!!
 
^^ Ouch, the idle stats are great but ruined by the high-overall power-draw.

Hope they dent the mobile space at-least.
 
 
ch@ts said:
Piledriver for the desktop (AM3+) is finally out, and it looks decent as long as you ignore power consumption.
The reviews are out, it's upto 10% faster than bulldozer in single threaded workloads, and about 15-20% faster in multi-threaded apps.
Links to a few reviews:

AnandTech - The Vishera Review: AMD FX-8350, FX-8320, FX-6300 and FX-4300 Tested

AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core CPU Review - HotHardware

AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws? : Meet AMD?s Piledriver-Based FX Line-Up

AMD FX-8350 Vishera Desktop Processor | AMD FX-8350,Vishera,CPU,Processor,FD8350FRW8KHK,Benchmarks,Performance,Reviews,David Ramsey,AMD FX-8350 Vishera Desktop Processor FD8350FRW8KHK Benchmark Performance Review by David Ramsey
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Will they be compatible with my old 880GMA-e45 ?? FX 6300 looks nice
 
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